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Torpdo Boat boost damage help

pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
edited November 2013 in Builds, Powers, and Game Mechanics
Still making minor tweeks to my Torpedo boat design. Looking for help to see if there is something I've missed to can improve upon to up damage. I currently have no problems in from damage to control for any of the PVE/STF content. Thank ahead of time

Ship: Tal Shiar Adapated battle Cruiser
me: science officer

Front Weaponry:
Breen Cluster
Breen Cluster
gravametic torp (voth)
romulan hyper plasma torp

Aft Weaponry:
nukara web mine
quantum mine
kinetic cutting beam
Omni directional anti-proton beam

Shields: Advance fleet regenerative shield array X3 cap
Deflector: Adapted MACO Mk XII*
Engines: Adapted MACO Mk XII*
Warp Core: tal shiar adaptive borg warp core

Consoles:

Science:
proton particle stabilizer
tachyokinetic converter
rule 62 multipurpose combat console

Engineering:
Tetraburnium hull armor XII
Shrapnal torpedo launcher
indoctrination nanite dispersal system
Energy signature dampner XII

Tactical:
2x tactical warhead yield chamber XII
bioneural infusion circuits


*= Adapted MACO Mk XII 2/3
Tactical Readiness

*= Multi-Mission Console Pack 3/3
Chroniton Integrated Quantum Slip Stream
Quantum Focused Shield Bubble

Bridge Officer Stations:
Commander Science: PH1, TS2, GW1, GW3
Lt. Commander Science: HE1, TBR1, TB3
Lieutenant Tactical: T:TS1, T:TT1
Lieutenant Engineering: EPS1, APSF1
Ensign science: ST1


Duty officers: All Very Rare

Tactical:
3x Projectile Weapons Officer

Operations:
1x tractor beam (repulsors pull instead of push

Science:
1x gravimetric (additional rifts)

Power Settings: (Set/Actual)
Weapons: 28/15
Shields: 80/70
Engines: 18/15
Auxiliary: 110/100

Power Settings: (Set/combat)
Weapons: 49/15
Shields: 94/70
Engines: 44/15
Auxiliary: 130/100

I used the Tal shiar full set because it allows my Tachyon beam and gravity well to do a additional 346, 560 for GW3 a sec on top of their normal damage. So roughly 1500 to 2k a tick for 20 seconds

The voth torp only has a 8 second cool down and can create rifts for extra shield bypassing damage and by itself hits really hard
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Comments

  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,254 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    tactical warhead yield chambers do not seem to be boosting Cluster torps and cluster torps are your highest DPS weapons on that build. So Half your main weapons are not getting a damage boost.
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    didn't realize thanks
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    tactical warhead yield chambers do not seem to be boosting Cluster torps and cluster torps are your highest DPS weapons on that build. So Half your main weapons are not getting a damage boost.

    Yep, Warheads boost Torp. Variables boost Mine. The Clusters are a Torp that releases...Mines...Warheads won't boost them. Also won't boost the Nukara nor Quantum Mines. They're only boost the Grav and kinetic of the Hyper-Plasma Torps.

    Also, the AMACO (KHG) only boosts Torp as well. So again, just the Grav and kinetic of the Hyper-Plasma...not the Clusters nor Nukara/Quantum.

    Oh wait, missed the Shrapnel Torp - don't have it, but would guess that the Warheads boost that as well.

    Guessing that the 3x PWO DOFFs are Torp variant and not Mine. The Grav Photon and the Hyper-Plasma should do a decent job of reducing the CD on the Breens, but don't forget their triggered CD on each other. That's a 15s triggered CD that can't be reduced.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Pvp or pve? Breen are nice for burst in pvp but pve needs to be a tad more sustained.

    I'll toss a build up for ya based on your answer
    Chive on and prosper, eh?

    My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
  • kadamskadams Member Posts: 204 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Seeing as your cluster torps are what I'm going to refer to as your main guns, you should really use transphasic compressors. Not only do they boost both torps *and* mines, but it's like a 10% difference there for equal tier/rarity consoles.

    Personally, I'd toss the other torps (cept the shrapnel torp cause that's a console), toss in a rapidfire transphasic fore and another one aft to speed up the general rate of torp fire, then have an array fore/aft and use APB+FAW to sprinkle everyone with APB.

    So basically...

    Fore:
    Cluster torp
    Cluster torp
    rapidfire transphasic
    Voth torp maybe? originally was thinking array fore/aft, but with the omnidirectional array you have 360* arc.

    Aft:
    Nukara mines
    Transphasic mine (they only do 2/3 of the damage as a quantum, but 1/2 of *that* damage bypasses shields and is applied *directly* to the target's hull. plus with the whole "20% you gain from switching to transphasic consoles instead of generic consoles, overall not much loss of DPS.)
    Omnidirectional
    rapidfire transphasic
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    dahminus wrote: »
    Pvp or pve? Breen are nice for burst in pvp but pve needs to be a tad more sustained.

    I'll toss a build up for ya based on your answer

    both but still fleshing out of the damage. Been tinkering with this build for about a month now. I actually have no problems in any stf with this build.
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Yep, Warheads boost Torp. Variables boost Mine. The Clusters are a Torp that releases...Mines...Warheads won't boost them. Also won't boost the Nukara nor Quantum Mines. They're only boost the Grav and kinetic of the Hyper-Plasma Torps.

    Also, the AMACO (KHG) only boosts Torp as well. So again, just the Grav and kinetic of the Hyper-Plasma...not the Clusters nor Nukara/Quantum.

    Oh wait, missed the Shrapnel Torp - don't have it, but would guess that the Warheads boost that as well.

    Guessing that the 3x PWO DOFFs are Torp variant and not Mine. The Grav Photon and the Hyper-Plasma should do a decent job of reducing the CD on the Breens, but don't forget their triggered CD on each other. That's a 15s triggered CD that can't be reduced.

    I like the nuka mine for their minor hold. Was probably going to switch out the quantam with the tractor mine when I got it. not really looking at them for damage. I haven't notice that much of a cd with the grav and hyper-plasma. Seem the Grav fires right through the plasma. I will try the mine console and see how that works
  • mynameisnommynameisnom Member Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Huh. I would drop the second cluster, and fit on either another voth torp, or a rapid fire transphasic torpedo, because the time to reload for the breen cluster makes a small difference, and i'd rather have more sustained heavy damage than short bursts of hull-munching shtuff. also get the three -5-second doffs, they make my two plasma torps spew an almost constant stream of torpedoes, give or take a torp
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    stoutes wrote: »
    Those fish are much like their masters, filthy backstabbers... All battlecloaked fish, waiting for the right moment...
    breadandcircuses wrote: »
    The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kadams wrote: »
    Seeing as your cluster torps are what I'm going to refer to as your main guns, you should really use transphasic compressors. Not only do they boost both torps *and* mines, but it's like a 10% difference there for equal tier/rarity consoles.

    Personally, I'd toss the other torps (cept the shrapnel torp cause that's a console), toss in a rapidfire transphasic fore and another one aft to speed up the general rate of torp fire, then have an array fore/aft and use APB+FAW to sprinkle everyone with APB.

    So basically...

    Fore:
    Cluster torp
    Cluster torp
    rapidfire transphasic
    Voth torp maybe? originally was thinking array fore/aft, but with the omnidirectional array you have 360* arc.

    Aft:
    Nukara mines
    Transphasic mine (they only do 2/3 of the damage as a quantum, but 1/2 of *that* damage bypasses shields and is applied *directly* to the target's hull. plus with the whole "20% you gain from switching to transphasic consoles instead of generic consoles, overall not much loss of DPS.)
    Omnidirectional
    rapidfire transphasic

    I use the voth torp in front already. Love it because of the high damage and rift for extra straight to hull damage. The Hyper reduces the cd on Cluster quicker than rapidfire. I use to run APB but didn't need it in pve because of the amount of straight to hull damage I can do. I will try it for pvp. I could gravity well and/or use the reverse repulsor *doff)and pull ships into my mines. I thought about switch out the quantum mine with the wide angle torpedo launcher or tractor mines
  • mynameisnommynameisnom Member Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Ok well besides that i'd say get fleet rcs cuz that thing isnt exactly a escort...lol
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    stoutes wrote: »
    Those fish are much like their masters, filthy backstabbers... All battlecloaked fish, waiting for the right moment...
    breadandcircuses wrote: »
    The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
  • kidfinnkidfinn Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Interesting. I run a fairly similar theme with my adapted cruiser. ( Although I have much lower end gear.. still relatively new ) I love it! One possible suggestion I can think up involves maximizing your multi-spectrum console. A fair amount of science abilities appear to trigger that, so I've tried to diversify my abilities as much as possible. Stacking a Gravity Well, TachBeam, Tractor Beam, and Charged Particle Burst gives me ~4x550 radiation ( straight to hull ) dps. I'm still tinkering.. trying to work in a 5th, but am running out of slots. :) The CPB in particular I find very handy when I encounter swarms of fighters. 1 burst can just about wipe them all after a few seconds.

    My torpedo setup is a bit behind yours. I still run a simple 3xPlasma Torpedo setup.. but it works. Forward, I use one dual beam bank with Beam Overload to help drop the enemy's facing shield ( combined with TachBeam, CPB, and Tractor Beam officer ). The torpedos + multi-spectrum dots then melt the enemy fairly quickly. ( Quickly enough that I ended up droping HYT, since 90% of the time, the enemy would die before the heavy torp reached it )

    I'm still too newbie to have gotten into STFs, so I'd be curious to know if my ideas are completely stupid before I get there. ;)
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kidfinn wrote: »
    Interesting. I run a fairly similar theme with my adapted cruiser. ( Although I have much lower end gear.. still relatively new ) I love it! One possible suggestion I can think up involves maximizing your multi-spectrum console. A fair amount of science abilities appear to trigger that, so I've tried to diversify my abilities as much as possible. Stacking a Gravity Well, TachBeam, Tractor Beam, and Charged Particle Burst gives me ~4x550 radiation ( straight to hull ) dps. I'm still tinkering.. trying to work in a 5th, but am running out of slots. :) The CPB in particular I find very handy when I encounter swarms of fighters. 1 burst can just about wipe them all after a few seconds.

    My torpedo setup is a bit behind yours. I still run a simple 3xPlasma Torpedo setup.. but it works. Forward, I use one dual beam bank with Beam Overload to help drop the enemy's facing shield ( combined with TachBeam, CPB, and Tractor Beam officer ). The torpedos + multi-spectrum dots then melt the enemy fairly quickly. ( Quickly enough that I ended up droping HYT, since 90% of the time, the enemy would die before the heavy torp reached it )

    I'm still too newbie to have gotten into STFs, so I'd be curious to know if my ideas are completely stupid before I get there. ;)

    I agree, your science build is similar to mine.. I will take your idea and add Charged particles burst and dropping TB repulsor and see how that works. I was using the TBR with reverse pull doff to pull enemies to me when I used to carry heavy mines in my back weapon slot but the amount of hull damage I can do makes me almost never use it anymore. Pulls I switch up the mines for more control. The mulit-spectrum dots its what make this build works. It shreds enemy's so much that I am not just relying on torp damage as most people think.
  • kintishokintisho Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Admirable to say the least, Ive been on since day 1 and have seen torpedo boat attempts come and go.. Usually with little success if any. I am quite surprised at your success in STFs are they Elite? I have found a beam boat with the borg torp on front (3x torp DOffs- purple) have extreme efficiency of torp damage...
  • kidfinnkidfinn Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    pdaworld wrote: »
    I agree, your science build is similar to mine.. I will take your idea and add Charged particles burst and dropping TB repulsor and see how that works. I was using the TBR with reverse pull doff to pull enemies to me when I used to carry heavy mines in my back weapon slot but the amount of hull damage I can do makes me almost never use it anymore. Pulls I switch up the mines for more control. The mulit-spectrum dots its what make this build works. It shreds enemy's so much that I am not just relying on torp damage as most people think.

    IIRC, the TBR also triggers the multi-spectrum DoT. Is that correct? I've been thinking about toying around with that as well, since that new doff came out. I could definitely see the value.

    Currently, my boff setup is:

    Lt Tac: FAW1, Overload2
    Lt Eng: EPtS1, EPtA2
    Cmdr Sci: TracBm1, TSS2, GW1, CPB3
    Lt. Cmdr Sc: TracBm1, HE2, GW1
    Ens Sci: TachBm1

    Doffs include 3 projectile, 1 tractor beam, and that gravity well officer

    I'm not sure how I could best stack 5 multi-spectrum DoTs. Not only am I shy on slots, but I'll run into shared cooldown problems, too. ( Tractor Beam vs Tractor Repulsors ). I'm thinking Photonic Shockwave may be the answer. But I seem to recall that shares a cooldown with GW, maybe?

    If I can solve the shared cooldown problem, I could probably switch from Torpedoes to Energy weapons, take out the procectile doffs, and maybe insert an AtB in place of EPtA2. That would allow me to possibly remove the duplicate GWs and Tractor Beams.. freeing up a slot. I also need to ditch the FAW1. It's currently useless. ;)

    Also, for purely theme reasons, I am pondering using a Hargh'peng torpedo. that also does a radiation DoT. Seems somehow appropriate. :)
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kintisho wrote: »
    Admirable to say the least, Ive been on since day 1 and have seen torpedo boat attempts come and go.. Usually with little success if any. I am quite surprised at your success in STFs are they Elite? I have found a beam boat with the borg torp on front (3x torp DOffs- purple) have extreme efficiency of torp damage...

    Yes I have always been playing since beta :) This design I have has been the best functional torp build that has work. I only do elite stf. Like I said before I have no problem in any of them. Even Say the cure. I could hold probes and destroy cube and destroy a transformer myself. Cure I and wipe a entire cube myself. Even with the raptor x3 and hegh Varx3 with no worries. Its because of the added bonus damage from multi-spec bonus creating the addition straight to hull damage. My science stat is at 130 lets my ability hold/damage with ease. Its a combination science/torp boat not Just a torp boat which I failed to mention before hand. it doesn't work with out the multi-spec bonus
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kidfinn wrote: »
    IIRC, the TBR also triggers the multi-spectrum DoT. Is that correct? I've been thinking about toying around with that as well, since that new doff came out. I could definitely see the value.

    Currently, my boff setup is:

    Lt Tac: FAW1, Overload2
    Lt Eng: EPtS1, EPtA2
    Cmdr Sci: TracBm1, TSS2, GW1, CPB3
    Lt. Cmdr Sc: TracBm1, HE2, GW1
    Ens Sci: TachBm1

    Doffs include 3 projectile, 1 tractor beam, and that gravity well officer

    I'm not sure how I could best stack 5 multi-spectrum DoTs. Not only am I shy on slots, but I'll run into shared cooldown problems, too. ( Tractor Beam vs Tractor Repulsors ). I'm thinking Photonic Shockwave may be the answer. But I seem to recall that shares a cooldown with GW, maybe?

    If I can solve the shared cooldown problem, I could probably switch from Torpedoes to Energy weapons, take out the procectile doffs, and maybe insert an AtB in place of EPtA2. That would allow me to possibly remove the duplicate GWs and Tractor Beams.. freeing up a slot. I also need to ditch the FAW1. It's currently useless. ;)

    Also, for purely theme reasons, I am pondering using a Hargh'peng torpedo. that also does a radiation DoT. Seems somehow appropriate. :)

    I don't use tractor beams. I run the nuka mines with hold. did the cutting cord episode to get the tractor beam mines. The voth torp does great damage and on critical greats a minor gravity rift which seems to slow but creates straight to hull damage as well. with my two gravity wells. I was only running repulsors with the reverse doff to pull enemies into my tricobolt mines when I was running them with dispersal pattern beta.
  • grendelthewise#0990 grendelthewise
    grendelthewise#0990
         Member Posts: 640 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    pdaworld wrote: »
    Still making minor tweeks to my Torpedo boat design. Looking for help to see if there is something I've missed to can improve upon to up damage. I currently have no problems in from damage to control for any of the PVE/STF content. Thank ahead of time

    Ship: Tal Shiar Adapated battle Cruiser
    me: science officer

    Front Weaponry:
    Breen Cluster
    Breen Cluster
    gravametic torp (voth)
    romulan hyper plasma torp

    Aft Weaponry:
    nukara web mine
    quantum mine
    kinetic cutting beam
    Omni directional anti-proton beam

    Shields: Advance fleet regenerative shield array X3 cap
    Deflector: Adapted MACO Mk XII*
    Engines: Adapted MACO Mk XII*
    Warp Core: tal shiar adaptive borg warp core

    Consoles:

    Science:
    proton particle stabilizer
    tachyokinetic converter
    rule 62 multipurpose combat console

    Engineering:
    Tetraburnium hull armor XII
    Shrapnal torpedo launcher
    indoctrination nanite dispersal system
    Energy signature dampner XII

    Tactical:
    2x tactical warhead yield chamber XII
    bioneural infusion circuits


    *= Adapted MACO Mk XII 2/3
    Tactical Readiness

    *= Multi-Mission Console Pack 3/3
    Chroniton Integrated Quantum Slip Stream
    Quantum Focused Shield Bubble

    Bridge Officer Stations:
    Commander Science: PH1, TS2, GW1, GW3
    Lt. Commander Science: HE1, TBR1, TB3
    Lieutenant Tactical: T:TS1, T:TT1
    Lieutenant Engineering: EPS1, APSF1
    Ensign science: ST1


    Duty officers: All Very Rare

    Tactical:
    3x Projectile Weapons Officer

    Operations:
    1x tractor beam (repulsors pull instead of push

    Science:
    1x gravimetric (additional rifts)

    Power Settings: (Set/Actual)
    Weapons: 28/15
    Shields: 80/70
    Engines: 18/15
    Auxiliary: 110/100

    Power Settings: (Set/combat)
    Weapons: 49/15
    Shields: 94/70
    Engines: 44/15
    Auxiliary: 130/100

    I used the Tal shiar full set because it allows my Tachyon beam and gravity well to do a additional 346, 560 for GW3 a sec on top of their normal damage. So roughly 1500 to 2k a tick for 20 seconds

    The voth torp only has a 8 second cool down and can create rifts for extra shield bypassing damage and by itself hits really hard

    I have to say this is as very nice build.
    Fleet Admiral of the U.S.S. ATTILA KHAN-CDA (NX-921911).
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    monodoso wrote: »
    I have to say this is as very nice build.

    Thanks with the great advice I got for things I overlooked I tweek it some more and increase the damage output. and suriveability
  • blessedladyboyblessedladyboy Member Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Have you considered the new shield refrquencer consoles to stack proton damage along side the radiation damage? Something I've been meaning to try.
  • pdaworldpdaworld Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    blessedladyboy wrote: »
    Have you considered the new shield refrquencer consoles to stack proton damage along side the radiation damage? Something I've been meaning to try.

    I have actually. I'm still unclear on one thing though. Say for gravity well. does the 10 percent chance kick in for only the initial activation or for each of the 20 seconds the gravity well last. When I confirm this I will play around with it more
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