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Season 8 - Daily Moochers

azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
Well, looks like Season 8 has brought out the couch potato warriors. :rolleyes:

Over the past hour in the Allied zone, I've witnessed players just waiting at certain easy hotspots, waiting for players to do missions and spawn the Voth, and all they have to do is just fire their weapons to get kill credit, in order to complete the Daily.

Which is funny since you can be done with the daily in a few minutes if you did it yourself. Just shows how lazy these people are. Well given that they actually have to do work in the Battlezone for that daily and no longer AFK in Events, should've seen it coming. :rolleyes:



Note to the Dev Team:

Instead of nerfing the daily and hosing over the honest players who do it legitimately, how about you do something similar to the Academy Event, where kill credit goes towards the spawner. So the Voth spawn, people can help, but they won't get any kind of credit.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    So what yer suggesting is if I don't hit the console first on a gen start point then I don't get credit?
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    So what yer suggesting is if I don't hit the console first on a gen start point then I don't get credit?

    Console? Huh? What are you talkinga bout Ash? :confused:

    I'm talking the daily in Allied Zone, not the Battlezone.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Console? Huh? What are you talkinga bout Ash? :confused:

    I'm talking the daily in Allied Zone, not the Battlezone.

    Every generator capture zone has a console you use to start the device.


    EDIT: Ah nvm, misread. Thought you meant the battle zone. Disregard the above.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    What daily?
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ^ The Allied Zone Daily
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Who cares?

    Serious, who bloody well cares? everyone gets a kill and gets the daily done ... end of story, besides I am NOT fond of tag kills on MMOs since they are a *****, you are just trading a system were everyone wins with another were everyone loses because if I am denied my kills because you FAW kill tag everything I am not going to stick around.

    I care, that's what! I HATE people mooching off other's work instead of getting off their rears and do it themselves. :mad:

    They aren't helping, they are taking advantage of the situation and capitalizing. That's promoting bad behavior that's only going to drag the rest of us down. Remember how people take the easy route, well doesn't get any easier than sitting in one spot and pushing a button now does it?
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Just can't understand it. Especially when you can farm the Ion Stream mission for 10 Dyson Marks for a couple of minutes of work and help fill your Daily.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    today I did one of the red alert-style missions without firing at all. Why? Well.... the enemies didn't spawn. I just sat there for 5 minutes and wondered when the enemies would spawn....
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    Just can't understand it. Especially when you can farm the Ion Stream mission for 10 Dyson Marks for a couple of minutes of work and help fill your Daily.

    I know, it's stupid easy and yet, there they were just sitting there. It really boggles the mind.

    In the time sitting there, they could've went into one of the Events and earned another commendation or go to the Battlezone and earned enough marks to buy 5 days worth.
  • rickdias5500rickdias5500 Member Posts: 95 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    You have to rember there are a lot of sobs playing on yester years laptop. For most of them if they go beyond 2 fps their little Acer will catch on fire. Just find another instance to play in.
  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Well, looks like Season 8 has brought out the couch potato warriors. :rolleyes:

    Over the past hour in the Allied zone, I've witnessed players just waiting at certain easy hotspots, waiting for players to do missions and spawn the Voth, and all they have to do is just fire their weapons to get kill credit, in order to complete the Daily.


    It is incredibly stupid to behave like this for the daily mission. Apparently these people are not aware of the fact that there is one sidemission which almost completely fills your daily meter up to 100%. You only need a few seconds for the allied zone daily if you are smart.
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Well, looks like Season 8 has brought out the couch potato warriors. :rolleyes:

    Over the past hour in the Allied zone, I've witnessed players just waiting at certain easy hotspots, waiting for players to do missions and spawn the Voth, and all they have to do is just fire their weapons to get kill credit, in order to complete the Daily.

    Which is funny since you can be done with the daily in a few minutes if you did it yourself. Just shows how lazy these people are. Well given that they actually have to do work in the Battlezone for that daily and no longer AFK in Events, should've seen it coming. :rolleyes:



    Note to the Dev Team:

    Instead of nerfing the daily and hosing over the honest players who do it legitimately, how about you do something similar to the Academy Event, where kill credit goes towards the spawner. So the Voth spawn, people can help, but they won't get any kind of credit.

    lol i literally had a guy following kailiana around earlier as i was doing my daily. i was like GTFO. He never shot anything.
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    eisenw0lf wrote: »
    It is incredibly stupid to behave like this for the daily mission. Apparently these people are not aware of the fact that there is one sidemission which almost completely fills your daily meter up to 100%. You only need a few seconds for the allied zone daily if you are smart.

    Tractoring a ship and killing swarmers >_> 85 percent or so, 45-60 seconds of "effort"
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  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Tractoring a ship and killing swarmers >_> 85 percent or so, 45-60 seconds of "effort"

    Gnaa ... I didn't mention this mission for a reason. Now Cryptic will most likely nerf it into the ground to make it more on par with the other missions.
  • philipclaybergphilipclayberg Member Posts: 1,680
    edited November 2013
    Over the past hour in the Allied zone, I've witnessed players just waiting at certain easy hotspots, waiting for players to do missions and spawn the Voth, and all they have to do is just fire their weapons to get kill credit, in order to complete the Daily.

    Can't be me. What I find frustrating is, I want to help but ships keep appearing behind mine in the Sphere and -- since I'm in an Orion Marauder ship -- turning is a bit on the slow side. By the time I turn around, either most of the fighting is done or all of it is. Either I crawl around at the slowest speed (which is not exactly enjoyable), or travel at a good speed (and run the risk of missing out on the action) so that I can actually get from point A to point B without feeling like I'm swimming in molasses. I guess if I had a Voth ship or an Obelisk ship it probably wouldn't be a problem, but I have neither. I like my Marauder ship, that it has fighter ships, that it's usually good enough for most space battles.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    one of my pet hates are kill stealers. you work towards a goal and it is completely sabotaged by a usurper for a while. so if you put a few shots in and reduce the hp of the target, someone else intentionally destroys your target and takes the kill off you.

    i can relate to the OP that certain type of parasites always looking to do something nasty at some point. but in this case does it really matter too much with a daily? it's not like your obsessed to the point that statistics are your life. but in certain pve games or pvp games, kill stealing is the lowest thing a person can do.
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    That is the very first time since I started playing this game 8 months ago, that I have heard the term killsteal here. I didnt think it was possible in STO to "killsteal"
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    That is the very first time since I started playing this game 8 months ago, that I have heard the term killsteal here. I didnt think it was possible in STO to "killsteal"

    The game usually seems to use tagged kills, so loot wise, I don't believe so. Then again there's really not a lot of places where unteamed players are fighting in the same area to solidly test. The issue being raised here is mission credit, though, not loot. Which, compared to the other examples:

    Academy event: Leecher gets mission credit, "Worker" does not.
    Queue AFK: Leecher gets credit, Workers forced to put in greater effort but also get credit.
    Adventure zone kill stealing: Leecher gets mission credit, Worker puts in lesser effort and also gets credit, as well as getting much greater credit for the mission which the leecher does not get.


    Yeah, I'm thinking "Not at all the same problem."
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    virtually every mmo i have played there have been grievers and kill stealers, sto is not much different.
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  • swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'm wit the others. I don't see this being a problem. It sounds like it should be pretty easy to get the moochers to do most of the work oretty easily, and you still get credit. Heck of deal, I'd say.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Meh, this sort of laziness doesn't really concern me because there's nothing in the allied zone except the minefield incursion that takes a group effort. If people are just mulling about in the battlezone then you have a problem.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    eisenw0lf wrote: »
    Gnaa ... I didn't mention this mission for a reason. Now Cryptic will most likely nerf it into the ground to make it more on par with the other missions.
    You mean that stupid wave form modulation mission where you have 5 minutes to kill multiple Voth groups? Yeah, I avoid that one like the plague because it's ridiculous.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    That is the very first time since I started playing this game 8 months ago, that I have heard the term killsteal here. I didnt think it was possible in STO to "killsteal"

    It is possible.

    Let's say the location you are at spawns the Iconian Probes and/or Swarmers. Someone could finish them off before you even get a chance to fire. While you get credit for completing the mission, but the basic score you get isn't as high as you would if you killed those swarmers and probes.


    That's why I suggested having something like the Academy Event, where they don't get the credit, but you do.






    EDIT: Yep, after I posted it, this actually happened. Spawned probes and swarmers in a ship rescue and some JA in an Avenger comes FAWing his way in and killing most of them while I was stunned by the stupid Viral Matrix. It would've meant my daily if I had killed them, so I had to go spend another 10 minutes working on missions to finish up the daily.

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  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    You have to rember there are a lot of sobs playing on yester years laptop. For most of them if they go beyond 2 fps their little Acer will catch on fire. Just find another instance to play in.

    Hey, I like my little Acer. Yeah, the processor runs hot sometimes for various reasons. But it works well with my TB External and all I have to do is back my stuff up. Which, by the way, should be done regardless of computer type.

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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ^ The Allied Zone Daily



    I care, that's what! I HATE people mooching off other's work instead of getting off their rears and do it themselves. :mad:

    They aren't helping, they are taking advantage of the situation and capitalizing. That's promoting bad behavior that's only going to drag the rest of us down. Remember how people take the easy route, well doesn't get any easier than sitting in one spot and pushing a button now does it?

    You haven't been down to nimbus very often then. People AFK farm Dil there by planting their Boffs in a spread pattern in the area where the romulans spawn.

    Also, there's a good chance some of what you're seeing in the allied zone are bots AFK farming.

    So, sadly, it does get much easier than pushing a button.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    This is really getting frustrating, people kill stealing. Some players even shadowing you, knowing you got a mission. :mad:


    Devs, I know you are reading this and I expect you to do something. It's not teamwork when people are using you for their own benefit.

    And the same can go for the Ground Battlezone as well, with those Battle Points, if you capture a sector by yourself, and someone comes along and takes those pink balls away from you, that's just plain LAME.
  • diva570diva570 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    You know its funny, I see no point for the little purple markers on the ground anymore, I have done so many breaches that I have over 5,000 marks..... Also, I have noticed that if you run to every capture zone of all three contested areas on the ground, all you have to do is attack one thing at each location and you get the reward. That shouldn't be so easy. Its like you don't have to do the work, just show up. It is also the same for the three V-Rexes Boss fights.

    Yea, and I do hate it when someone takes your rewards from under you. They just sit back and wait :P. But, that is like about every game someone does stuff like that.
  • bejaymacbejaymac Member Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    And there was me thinking I was helping out other players, next time I see a stranded player with the VM halo that they cant clear I'll just leave them to suffer.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    bejaymac wrote: »
    And there was me thinking I was helping out other players, next time I see a stranded player with the VM halo that they cant clear I'll just leave them to suffer.
    Yeah, I know.... It only counts as "kill stealing" if the person it was "stolen" from never fired a shot. STO isn't coded to really care about who dealt the final blow. Probably because of game like Everquest where you could only finish certain quests if you dealt the final blow yourself.

    Truthfully... you get your 5 VCI just by going to ONE V-Rex fight and killing it. you may get a little more Dil for showing up at all 3 but I'm not even sure about that.
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