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Elisa Flores Vs Tovan Khev
jaymadiv
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I'm gonna preface this by saying that the entirety of my STO experience is through the first 10 levels. I've played each faction's 1-10 storyline. well..I'm gonna finish up the Fed 1-10 in a few minutes.
but so far, to me, Elisa Flores is a MUCH better character than Tovan Khev. and I am not talking about their dismissability(yeah, i made that word up.)
From what I've read on these new types of Bridge Officers, I kinda understand what Cryptic is trying to do. They haven't quite hit the mark, but they hit much closer with Flores than with Khev.
Flores is much less overbearing, and she behaves more like a First Officer, and less like the person who thinks they are Captain, like Khev does. When she relays quest objectives and such, it comes off more like advice, as it should. When Khev does it, it comes off like Orders and Commands.
Going through the Fed tutorial and such with Flores, I never felt like I wasn't the Captain. there were several times in the Romulan 1-10 where I felt exactly that. for example, during the mission where you find the Tholians on Dewa III, there is a point of ambient dialogue in that mission where one of my Science Officers directs a question at me. And Khev answers it, as if it was directed at him. Literally. the Science Bridge Officer says something along the lines of "Sir, what do the Tholians want here?" And Khev says "I don't know, we'll figure it out when it is safe."
I literally stopped (after all the Tholians were dead, of course), and just kinda sat there for a minute thinking "really?, she was asking me, you douche."
There are several of these kinds of moments, where Khev takes over a scene, and my character just kinda stands there and looks stupid. whereas on the Fed side, it is made more clear that my character is a competent captain, and my crew defers to me. on the Fed side, my captain even has Cutscene dialog! (its not voiced, but it is there!)
with Khev it is like, "I say we have do this, this this, and this." and then my character just kinda says "uh..um..yeah, let's do that."
Khev needs to either be given his own ship, or the bossiness of his dialogue needs to be toned down. We are the Captains, not him.
but so far, to me, Elisa Flores is a MUCH better character than Tovan Khev. and I am not talking about their dismissability(yeah, i made that word up.)
From what I've read on these new types of Bridge Officers, I kinda understand what Cryptic is trying to do. They haven't quite hit the mark, but they hit much closer with Flores than with Khev.
Flores is much less overbearing, and she behaves more like a First Officer, and less like the person who thinks they are Captain, like Khev does. When she relays quest objectives and such, it comes off more like advice, as it should. When Khev does it, it comes off like Orders and Commands.
Going through the Fed tutorial and such with Flores, I never felt like I wasn't the Captain. there were several times in the Romulan 1-10 where I felt exactly that. for example, during the mission where you find the Tholians on Dewa III, there is a point of ambient dialogue in that mission where one of my Science Officers directs a question at me. And Khev answers it, as if it was directed at him. Literally. the Science Bridge Officer says something along the lines of "Sir, what do the Tholians want here?" And Khev says "I don't know, we'll figure it out when it is safe."
I literally stopped (after all the Tholians were dead, of course), and just kinda sat there for a minute thinking "really?, she was asking me, you douche."
There are several of these kinds of moments, where Khev takes over a scene, and my character just kinda stands there and looks stupid. whereas on the Fed side, it is made more clear that my character is a competent captain, and my crew defers to me. on the Fed side, my captain even has Cutscene dialog! (its not voiced, but it is there!)
with Khev it is like, "I say we have do this, this this, and this." and then my character just kinda says "uh..um..yeah, let's do that."
Khev needs to either be given his own ship, or the bossiness of his dialogue needs to be toned down. We are the Captains, not him.
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Then after that if you keep her, she pretty much runs the ship in text base anyway, since your BO pretty much run the ship, they just don't talk anymore, but are bossing you around.
Tovan Khev is such an overbearing blowhard as a first officer. I haven't touched him since I have had new boffs to take his place.
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
yeah, he's pretty unnoticeable, to be honest. nothing about him stood out to me while i was playing the Klingon 1-10.
Klinks get no regard. :cool:
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Still, the role of XO is threefold: Advice, Bridging the Gap, and Enforcement.
For Advice, the XO should help guide the CO toward the correct decision, either with their own wisdom of right/wrong, or through reminding them what regulations apply. Flores seems to have that down pat.
Bridging the gap is where the XO brings the crew's concerns to the captains, and relays or explains the captain's decisions to the crew. The XO serves as a buffer to allow the captain to make decisions without peer pressure.
Enforcement comes into play when either the captain or the crew divert from given orders. If a Captain gives orders that would violate their mission or a higher order (such as the Prime Directive), it's the XO's job to say something, and if necessary remove the captain from command. By the same token, it's also the XO's job to mete out punishment if a crewman does the same thing.
Tovan seems to mix enforcement with advice a little too much, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a horrible XO. It's just a shame that nothing we do or want actually affects the course of the gameplay. Having Tovan learn over time to calm down, or even having Flores get more agressive, would be nice for character development.
I don't mind Tovan either, plus you got to keep in mind things are different, you and Elisa are officers and there is a strict structure. They could tone Tovan down a little but there isn't exactly a strict structure when you're just a bunch of farmers rebelling from the Tal Shiar.
P.S. Always love your sigs neo!
Vakarian gave people a chance to speak for themselves. more like Udina
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Sound thoughts in this post.
however, I didn't get "Mentor" from Khev during the Tutorial. more like "drinking buddy".
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Do you mean "Meatshield A"?
Elisa, OTOH, is a fellow cadet at Starfleet Academy. She knows protocol, and what's expected of her as both Tactical Officer and your new first officer. She is well aware of when she's supposed to offer advice, and when it's time to "shut up and soldier."
If they changed that, it would be nice
It really depends if there's prep time. Because my initial impression is Elisa would be able to beat Tovan in a straight-up fight.
You're just a Tovan fanboy. Elisa has the skills and training Tovan doesn't. She'd box his pointy ears.
He's just a mechanic, she's a trained fighter. She already has a questionable academy record, I don't think she'd be above using stun just to fight dirty. Tovan's just a naive farmboy with Charva issues. Tovan goes down in less than 5 minutes in a fight with Elisa. Believe it.
On Cryptic's side I have heard that the story is explained better as you advance your Sphere rep, so maybe, just maybe I can forgive the way they have portrayed Starfleet as total idiots that just follow blindly what ever the Romulan's and Klingons want now.
Why are the Voth collecting Omega prarticles? They are millions of years ahead of the Federation, the Romulan's, and the Klingons in technology advancement so maybe they are using these Omega particles to build some weapon which will then be used to defeat the Iconian invasion that looms on the horizon?
Why did I say all of this in this thread? Well to point out that Cryptic needs some serious improvements in writing story for their game, and that is why Tovan seems to be the captain and they think that is a good thing.
Yeesh!
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Me: shut up Tovan...
That's what the thread was titled. I took it literally.
No, you need to role a new toon to play it.
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But you can get the boff as a lvl 50.
Shame she's not an eng tbh. THAT is what my toon could have used!
Also, it's a shame we didn't get a purple version of that vulcan lassie. Got to love those pointed ears. and the trait to do with sensitive senses that grants a big old buff to expose chances. What else are boffs good for on the ground anyway, other than setting up enemies for you to do exploit damage?
Dunno, on a lot of ships out there "Shut up, Wesley" has become "Shut up, Tovan."
I get the feeling Tores wouldn't have to take him out unassisted, if you get what I'm saying.