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I gave my DVD of ST: 90210 to a coworker so he could see it without spending his own money on it.
His 15 year old daughter absolutely loved it.
Just saying....
Edit: I repent of the above statement. No more stones! *whack* I surrender!
His 15 year old daughter absolutely loved it.
Just saying....
Edit: I repent of the above statement. No more stones! *whack* I surrender!
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"Just saying...."
:rolleyes:
Thought the first four TOS feature films were good. never really cared for Star Trek V or VI. Of the TNG feature films, the only one remotely watchable is "First Contact". The rest of the TNG films come across like lackluster TNG TV episodes.
My ranking of Star trek series (Best to Worst):
1) TOS
2) ENT
3) DS9
4) TAS
5) TNG
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6)VOY (Actually stopped watching after the episode, "The 37's" - just couldn't take Bergma Trek 24th century era any longer.)
As for "ST2009" and "ST: Into Darkness":
LOVED BOTH a lot.
Why? They really take Star Trek back to the days it was a better show (before GR retconned it for TNG.) They had some actual adventure, instead of constant briefing room sequences where they spout particle of the week technobabble; or the main Captain character drones on about some politically correct issue (and usually without fail, the 'Federation Way' is always (99 times out of a 100) shown to be the 'correct' way. - Bleh!
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Magic blood was also done in Voyager
But Captain Archer was the bombest captain you will ever meet.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
I liked Star Trek: Insurrection when I was 15. That doesn't make it an awesome movie. It makes me a dumb kid who didn't know what quality cinema was until I was old enough to broaden my horizons and expose myself to many more movies.
Also that I was a dumb kid who didn't realize that every Star Trek movie was bad. We were all teenagers at some point and all of us were dumb at that age.
I'll just leave this here.
SCIENCE!
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Same here, except for the '75 bit. I wasn't born for another 7 years.
But JJTrek is definitely in the parts I like list. Anything which keeps Star Trek visible to the most people means there are others out there who can discover and then enjoy the rest of Star Trek which most of us know about.
How can this be a bad thing?
I can remember clearly a time when there was nothing Star Trek available anywhere.
Just sayin'...
P.S. Publicly hatin' on JJTrek at every available opportunity shows clear signs of major uncoolness. Just like the brainless bullies who pick on the nerdy kids for liking anything science fiction. Thanks for doing the bullies' job for them. But Gene would be disappointed, I'm guessing. People finally managed to tick off George Lucas so bad with hatin' on him for no good reason that Leia and Amidala are now officially Disney Princesses. Thanks guys. Nice Job! Well done! Bravo!
Just Sayin...
To be fair, George Lucas is getting on in age and he has his fair share of health problems. Turning his IP over to Disney (to which he had an extremely good relationship with -- Star Tours anyone?) was probably one of the smartest moves he made in recent years. Because I can just see the legal battle over the properties he owns if anything should happen to him, and the fact he donated the profit he made from selling Star Wars to Disney back into California's education system is further proof he's trying to tie up some loose ends and leave the world better than the way he found it during this stage in his life.
He never struck me as the type of person to be truly bothered by people hating on his work, since it was his property and he could do what he pleased with it.
That's not to say everything he did since 1983 wasn't TRIBBLE -- because it was. But I think his motive for selling Star Wars to Disney was a little more thoughtful than that. He wanted to make sure Star Wars was in good hands.
And for as much hate as Disney gets, I think Star Wars is better there than in other areas since Star Wars was a kids movie.
Noo, it's called expressing an opinion... Are people getting sooo emo-sensitive these days that they can't stand to hear an opinion different from their own, so take it as bullying??
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I think JJ's Core Audience, is Movie Viewers. I don't think it's any more focussed or targetted than 'people who go to see movies to kick back for ninety minutes'. Are there things which will appeal to fans in his work? Yes. Are they there for the fans? I doubt it. I suspect they're there so JJ can feel clever about working in a reference* and high-five himself like the smug jerk he always comes across as being.
PPS Please don't cite him granting a dying fan's wish as proof that he's 'a good guy', that was nothing more than an obvious publicity stunt and marketing exercise on his part to try and buy people's favour. He can now be as much of a jerk as he wants, because someone will always say "Oh but he let a dying guy watch the movie before release, he must be a good guy really!" Call me a cynic, but I don't buy it...
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For example, the name and registry of the USS Kelvin, which is infact his grandfather's name and date of birth... Is it a cool touch? In a way, it kind of is, but, it's so obscure, that it will go over the heads of most, so is simply self-indulgence. A cool reference, for example, is the album for the 2001: A Space Odyssey soundtrack being visible at the music shop in Clockwork Orange, or the numerous references to Brave New World in Demolition Man, which the audience will understand and appreciate...
I enjoyed watching DS9 (hated the Defiant since the first day, lol), watched voyager (but didn't liked most of its cast). I enyoed Enterprise. Never saw TAS.
I also like most of TOS movies (except the first one). TNG movies where rather medicore IMO (to say it mildly).
I really like the new JJ movies.
Btw. i showed the JJ movies to my father and he liked them more than any ST move before.
(and that means something
i admit Motion picture was TRIBBLE, the first film but it was apart of the lore that was star trek even so. it kept the film true to it's roots as well as it's atmosphere. same with all the other TOS films, while TNG films may not be the best, these even kept true to that time period. then came the jjcrapverse films which went from quiet and calm one moment to crazy, insane to stupid, calm, insane and stupid once more.
tv series from best to worst.
DS9 - Politics, Cardassian humor, Garak, War, Dominion, Bajor. i mean what more could you ask for in a trek series?
ENT - The cliche of revisiting new worlds but from the past when earth first got into space. didn't like the Xindi long arc but season 4 made up for the that.
TNG - Average across the board, but still kept true to it's roots. about season 3 it started picking up... and yes i like Pulaski character because she kept Picard in check.
TOS - involved more boring chat dialogue then most, it had a few good episodes though like the doomsday device, Kang and kirk and an alien lifeform feeding off negative emotions.
VOY - The ever reckless janeway showing how not to be a starfleet captain every chance she got. even killed trillions on her way back home. that alone put VOY at the bottom even if the series itself was good enough to place it 2nd. regardless thats where it remains.
Movies from best to worst.
TUC - an intriguing political situation with Klingons and Kirk being framed.
TWOK - most people know why, action, DOOM!!!!, Khan and that fighting in a nebula.
FC - Probably the best TNG film they made, rehearsed well and plenty of Borg, a prelude to ENT.
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SPOILERS below, don't read if you have not seen XI or XII.
TMP - clearly more boring then all trek films, but it's redeeming feature is that it stays true to it's exploration.
XI - massive plot holes, hyper unrealistic events (eg. Nerada comes through and instead of the captain of the Kelvin focusing on his tasks, he spends more time worrying what to call his baby. Vulcan imploding in a revenge attack by Nero, i mean what point was served by such a nonsensical plot?). utter TRIBBLE.
XII - More plotholes and a few more unrealistic events (Kirk and Khan in spacesuits heading through a debris field to a ship, kirks helmet gets damaged, the glass part and at that point the air should of rushed out from the small gaps long ago and yet it doesnt. Khan fighting off Klingons and not one of them managed to shoot him and yet there were enough soldiers to take down Khan, augment or not. last bit is related to Kirks death in the engine core with Spock breaking down in tears then vengeful then mentions the iconic khan quote, Vulcans never let their emotions get the better of them no matter what.). more TRIBBLE.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Just saying. =D
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But that doesn't excuse being dismissive of new Trek fans. You gotta cut that TRIBBLE and let them in no matter how lousy their entrance point was.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
as far as i am concerned XI and XII are not trek, they are jjcrapverse and will always remain as such. i hope Star Trek Renegades proves to be more interesting and stays closer to the trek we all know.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I can see that my backside has been thoroughly handed to me. I'll be under that rock over there if anyone needs me.
Would it help if I mentioned that her dad liked it except for the part where Kirk was able to kick the warp core back into alignment? And that it was late and I was tired when I made the OP?
Yes, I even enjoy Enterprise and Voyager, supposedly the two worst Trek series' ever. *gasp*
I felt JJ's films only suffered from poor writing and directing that favored action over story (and lenses flares). Third time's the charm, right? :P Despite these flaws, they were still enjoyable films. There's room for these films and the prime universe to co-exist.
I do.
I like ENT and VOY for bringing more variety into ST universe and more character types. I don't think Archer and Janeyway are bad Federation officers. They're just different than Kirk or Piccard.
Which is good. It shows us various Starfleet types. It is, in a way, more realistic.
Nothing important then... :P
I agree with you, I like Trek as a whole, and it has always played some part in my life. JJVerse and the PrimeVerse can indeed co-exist in terms of literary companions, but that doesn't excuse the many errors and flaws in JJ's work (in general) which other directors would be torn to shreds for making, but which his fanboys accuse others of 'bashing' for pointing out
I've seen the majority of ST series, and honestly Enterprise is my favorite. Archer is awesome! :cool:
Soo...yeah. In my case me being JJ-Trek fan means that the core audience is a Trekkie? You tell me.
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Ya I like trek as a whole too, they are all fun to watch, though I do consider TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY as one block of Trek, and ENT+JJtrek another completely separate one, just like the Star Wars Prequels can be fun to watch, but are sort of their own separate entity from IV-VI.
On the other hand, Phlox did manage to reverse his own assimilation via radiation poisoning. Rather bad TRIBBLE actually.
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Between the years 1999 and 2010, I spent most of my time watching "Stargate". As a result of watching "Stargate", "Farescape", "Earth Final Conflict", "Andromeda" and "Firefly", my personal philosophy of the future has changed. I want to be exposed to a wider variety of science-fiction, so that my vision of tomorrow continues to grow.
"JJ Trek" is too busy going backwards; therefore, the new direction of "Star Trek" is going in the opposite direction. While I continue to move forwards, the "Star Trek" franchise will be too busy reliving the past. "Star Trek" is stuck in the past, for it does not understand the future.
JJ Abrams and Robert Orci are not visionary science-fiction writers; thus, they cannot show me something that I have not already seen.
"Star Trek" has become stuck in the 24th century, and I am already moving into the 30th century. Once the new "Star Trek" franchise catches up, I will have already psychologically moved onto the 35th century.
Once I am done playing "Star Trek: Online", I will be walking away from the franchise forever. I have already done so with "Star Wars".
Its time for science-fiction to grow up.
Its time for science-fiction fans to stop being narrow minded.
Its time to psychologically evolve beyond the "Trek" and "Wars".
Its time for an entirely different perspective of the future.
Its time for an entirely different set of science-fiction franchises to take over.
JJ seems to have done a few things to TRIBBLE fans off. Well he is not a Trek fan. Maybe having theaters full of nerds wearing rubber foreheads and Spock ears wasn't what he wanted.
I just see them in the same category as all the other 60's tv show movies that have come along, y'know, Lost in space, Scooby doo, the Flintstones, Land of the lost etc. (Fortunately they are better than these crappy movies)
Personally I really enjoyed Into Darkness up until about halfway when the humor bits stopped.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.