EDIT: also release a Galaxy 3-pack, along with a nearly identical Negh'var 3-pack. Most of the Fed pain at seeing five-ten new KDF ships would be mitigated by having one of their (legitimate) longstanding ship complaints taken care of at the same time.
As someone in favor of more KDF stuff, this thread is a good argument in favor of not making a bunch of new KDF stuff.
The KDF was screwed at launch. I get that. Everyone gets that. Cryptic gets that. But people take it personally.
If Cryptic does release a new KDF ship, will enough KDF-primary players be able to get over their victimhood complexes enough to even buy it? I've seen it before that people will continue to insist that Cryptic gives the Klingons nothing, even on the rare occasions when they give them something.
I mean, is this same guy going to post "A NEW KDF SHIP?! THIS IS AN INSULT CRYPTIC! See, this post here from August 12, 2010 by a dev that no longer works at your company says you might maybe someday if the stars line up be working on FIVE new ships, a PVP update, ten new story missions, and the ability to kill Fed characters in their own tutorial!!!!!! Releasing just one new ship proves how little you care about the KDF, I'm never spending any money on this stupid game again, blah blah blah no you can't have my stuff." In general, there are too many ships in the game, enough ships.
Would even a LoR-sized release themed around Klingon stuff even make a difference at this point, or have the KDF playerbase made up their minds? Honestly curious.
EDIT: to clarify, I am completely in favor of a LoR-sized update themed around Klingons, and I think it could give both factions a lot to do while still satisfying a lot of Klingon players. I just wonder about some of the angrier people. I want a better KDF, but some of these threads really make me wonder.
This. The KDF definitely needs a bit more unique missions and storylines. I know the OP, I suggested several ships with reasonable weaknesses once and he kept saying "Overpowered." even when I made adjustments to make it fair. I have another friend who plays KDF and is happy with the way it is. All KDF needs is a more unique storyline and probably more social maps. The expansion of the foundry would help a lot in this matter. No offense, but whining does get really tiring when they could just request nicely. There are way too many ships in the game, maybe continue lockbox ships, but otherwise, that's it. Maybe a ship pack or two for the KDF, but otherwise, we're done with ships.
The main problem is the "conservative 'you can't have my guns'" type kdf-defenders who bite the hand that feeds them, and the fact that those people and fed-only players make the kdf out to be a hell of a lot worse than it seems. What is so much worse about it compared to Feds? Please answer me that. I'd really like to know. I see no significant downside to the kdf. It's not better, not worse, just...different.
What makes it so bad? Humor me.
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Thank you for being an understanding member of the community, unlike elssy-whatnot here who has clearly never touched a kdf character pardon 10 seconds or so.
I have 4 level 50 KDF characters (and deleted 6 more level 50's).
But go on with your assumptions.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
I have 4 level 50 KDF characters (and deleted 6 more level 50's).
But go on with your assumptions.
Somebody can't take an analogy. Anyway, enough with the bigotry. We're beating around the bush. I don't care if you've put all 4 of those too s on ice or what. The point is that there's just too many of these anti-kdf type people out there, who have nothing better to do than to knock on those who want to see their faction get a nanoscopic bit of love.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy"~ The Doctor
I have 4 level 50 KDF characters (and deleted 6 more level 50's).
But go on with your assumptions.
Too small of a sample size. I have 3 Feds, 1 From, and 1 KDF. I have 3 other friends who play STO and they have 2 Feds, 1 From, and 1 KDF each. Yes the sample size is too small but in my tiny circle of STO friends it seems to reinforce the assumption that no one plays KDF.
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All KDF needs is a more unique storyline and probably more social maps. The expansion of the foundry would help a lot in this matter.
The KDF needs, at the least, a five tac console ship, a five fore weapon slot ship, and a carrier escort, comparable to the Federation and Romulan versions.
They also need story content that shows the better side of the Klingons. Cryptic has tried, even in non-KDF missions. The Doomsday Machine has a great Klingon hero who sacrifices himself, and the Romulan mission where you pick a faction is all about why you should join the Klingons (to the point of making the Federation badly written as being terrible at diplomacy).
Then you go over to the KDF side, and you sell civilians into slavery and torture helpless captives who can't fight back. The KDF insists that they can save the Federation from the Undine, but need Section 31 to point out the corruption in their own Empire. It's weird, and it turns me off, especially when startrek.com has an article about how the Klingons in STO are noble warriors who follow the ideals of Worf.
I honestly don't understand why they don't push out the K'vort as a 3-pack. They could clone any number of the existing boff layouts for the tac / engineering / science variants. Throw in 5/2 layout on a heavy destroyer with more hull but less turn than an escort. Throw in a shield - destabilize console and you have a very interesting ship.
The artwork is already done with b'rel. They can just scale that and up the detail a bit. If necessary then can make (an) alternate(s) skins too. I guarantee you that the K'vort would sell very well. Think of it this way:
5,000 players spending on average $25 (not counting those buying all 3) is $125,000. Even with 2-3 man months of work with a salary of 5-6K + other costs, it would still make them a decent profit.
I am sure KDF fans would happily spread the news and get people signed up for it. I believe that if they make something that fans would like then it will sell. Ugly and slow turning bort with failed weapon won't sell. Negh'var that is gimped(boff layout) compared to Avenger won't sell either.
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The KDF needs, at the least, a five tac console ship, a five fore weapon slot ship, and a carrier escort, comparable to the Federation and Romulan versions.
They also need story content that shows the better side of the Klingons. Cryptic has tried, even in non-KDF missions. The Doomsday Machine has a great Klingon hero who sacrifices himself, and the Romulan mission where you pick a faction is all about why you should join the Klingons (to the point of making the Federation badly written as being terrible at diplomacy).
Then you go over to the KDF side, and you sell civilians into slavery and torture helpless captives who can't fight back. The KDF insists that they can save the Federation from the Undine, but need Section 31 to point out the corruption in their own Empire. It's weird.
That's because the Orions are in charge of the KDF, the Klingons just don't know it.
The KDF needs, at the least, a five tac console ship, a five fore weapon slot ship, and a carrier escort, comparable to the Federation and Romulan versions.
They also need story content that shows the better side of the Klingons. Cryptic has tried, even in non-KDF missions. The Doomsday Machine has a great Klingon hero who sacrifices himself, and the Romulan mission where you pick a faction is all about why you should join the Klingons (to the point of making the Federation badly written as being terrible at diplomacy).
Then you go over to the KDF side, and you sell civilians into slavery and torture helpless captives who can't fight back. The KDF insists that they can save the Federation from the Undine, but need Section 31 to point out the corruption in their own Empire. It's weird, and it turns me off, especially when startrek.com has an article about how the Klingons in STO are noble warriors who follow the ideals of Worf.
Um... read towards the bottom of my post, I specified two ship packs for the KDF.
I honestly don't understand why they don't push out the K'vort as a 3-pack. They could clone any number of the existing boff layouts for the tac / engineering / science variants. Throw in 5/2 layout on a heavy destroyer with more hull but less turn than an escort. Throw in a shield - destabilize console and you have a very interesting ship.
The artwork is already done with b'rel. They can just scale that and up the detail a bit. If necessary then can make (an) alternate(s) skins too. I guarantee you that the K'vort would sell very well. Think of it this way:
5,000 players spending on average $25 (not counting those buying all 3) is $125,000. Even with 2-3 man months of work with a salary of 5-6K + other costs, it would still make them a decent profit.
I am sure KDF fans would happily spread the news and get people signed up for it. I believe that if they make something that fans would like then it will sell. Ugly and slow turning bort with failed weapon won't sell. Negh'var that is gimped(boff layout) compared to Avenger won't sell either.
That's exactly why they don't want to make the K'vort, "Because it looks like a B'rel". :mad:
But yes, people been waiting for the K'Vort since even before STO launched. And really, they no longer have excuses not to make it. Given that they have ship skins that look like other ships or ships with identical performance, especially Fleet Ships.
Not to mention it is a canonical ship and they did promise "all canonical ships will eventually make it into STO". So if they don't, then they were just lying.
That's exactly why they don't want to make the K'vort, "Because it looks like a B'rel". :mad:
But yes, people been waiting for the K'Vort since even before STO launched. And really, they no longer have excuses not to make it. Given that they have ship skins that look like other ships or ships with identical performance, especially Fleet Ships.
Not to mention it is a canonical ship and they did promise "all canonical ships will eventually make it into STO". So if they don't, then they were just lying.
Would even a LoR-sized release themed around Klingon stuff even make a difference at this point, or have the KDF playerbase made up their minds? Honestly curious.
EDIT: to clarify, I am completely in favor of a LoR-sized update themed around Klingons, and I think it could give both factions a lot to do while still satisfying a lot of Klingon players. I just wonder about some of the angrier people.
In my experience the angry posters are a vocal minority, they are not the majority of actual players. Most players I've known in the past or that I still see in game, seldom read or post the KDF forums anymore. We've got little reason to do so since the overall consistent response from Cryptic (other than silence) has been "Show us the money" and our polite response was always "Happy to! When you make something we've asked for". The silent majority of us have given up even asking or sharing ideas anymore.
The last ship we got was gimped IMO when it was released eons ago, the Bortasqu, we warned them about it before they released it, got ignored and then they cried when it made no money. Go figure Today it can't hold a candle to the comparable flood of OP FED and ROM ships released since then. The KDF isn't just behind the power curve, we can't even see it anymore it's so far over the horizon. That's my opinion anyway.
Personally as a KDF-centric player, I'm more bored than anything else, there just isn't much incentive for me to play or spend money on the game. I'll be happy to show them the money when they show me the content we've requested since day one. Until then I just spend my time/money on other games, and only visit STO occasionally.
Particularly recently with the big advent of 'FAW/APB' kind of builds, the tac Bortas has for a long time being a powerhouse in damage.
It's just that most people, from the time it was released, even till now, dismiss it.
Technically, the tac Bortasqu' was the first ship in the game to have 5 tac consoles. The Ody/Bortas were released months before the fleet system, so really, KDF had 5 tac consoles first.
But those 5 consoles can HURT. sure it's a big, slow boat of a ship, but with all the power creep, that has lessened a good deal. It has 4 tac consoles, 4 eng consoles, and 1 sci console at it's base version. So it has a lot of room for plenty of damage and turn consoles. Plus the new cruiser commands (Bortas has 3 of them) help as well.
Plus being a battlecruiser, it has DHC usage, along with a cloak (though gimped), and so on.
Though it's also the reason for the current KDF 'ship drought' that has been since it's release. Apparently 'nobody bought it, and it didn't make a profit' within whatever unrealistic time period Cryptic used at the time, so they haven't made a tier 5 KDF C-store ship since.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
So, do you make ships for the majority of players or the minority?
It's been said that Cryptic loses money on making a KDF ship. Since I like playing the game, I'm okay with there being no new KDF ships.
And why is that? How many Klingon fanclubs are there? How many Romulan? In whose language is A Christmas Carol regularly performed? In whose language were Hamlet, Kiss Me and Never Gonna Give You Up translated? In whose language was a whole opera written and performed? Whose melee weapons do you get in any good shop that sells swords? I'll give you a hint. It's not Romulans, Vulcans, Andorians or Borg. Cryptic failing to make money from Klingons is not the fault of Klingons not being popular. It's solely the problem of how Cryptic treated them. It took until LoR to give them their own storyline, and then they were completely overshadowed by everything the Romulans got.
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Particularly recently with the big advent of 'FAW/APB' kind of builds, the tac Bortas has for a long time being a powerhouse in damage.
It's just that most people, from the time it was released, even till now, dismiss it.
Technically, the tac Bortasqu' was the first ship in the game to have 5 tac consoles. The Ody/Bortas were released months before the fleet system, so really, KDF had 5 tac consoles first.
But those 5 consoles can HURT. sure it's a big, slow boat of a ship, but with all the power creep, that has lessened a good deal. It has 4 tac consoles, 4 eng consoles, and 1 sci console at it's base version. So it has a lot of room for plenty of damage and turn consoles. Plus the new cruiser commands (Bortas has 3 of them) help as well.
Plus being a battlecruiser, it has DHC usage, along with a cloak (though gimped), and so on.
Though it's also the reason for the current KDF 'ship drought' that has been since it's release. Apparently 'nobody bought it, and it didn't make a profit' within whatever unrealistic time period Cryptic used at the time, so they haven't made a tier 5 KDF C-store ship since.
This.
The Bortas is a damn good ship, but the KDF have had their battlecruisers for so long, they don't know how to pilot a ship that can't turn on a dime, yet continually tell Feds to "adapt" and "lrn2play" with their slow-turning cruisers whenever Feds ask for a 1-point turn rate buff to their slowest ships. Instead of adapting themselves, the KDF completely dismisses the Bortas as a "TRIBBLE ship" because it can't turn.
Yes... make a complete overhaul... scrap any new content for the game until the KDF is on par... halt the game and stunt its growth until Kahless can be proud.
Yes... make a complete overhaul... scrap any new content for the game until the KDF is on par... halt the game and stunt its growth until Kahless can be proud.
That actually needs to happen, you know. The KDF, whether you like it or not, is the 2nd independent faction of this game. It has received poor attention since STO released. Not on par in ship selections. Not on par in the number of PVE missions. There hasn't been a new endgame KDF C-Store ship since the Bortasqu', which was from almost 2 YEARS ago. Etc., Etc., Etc.
Cryptic has stunted this game as a whole by catering to only a single aspect of the game, the Federation.
Let's assume 1000 players play STO. 700 play mostly Federation, 150 the Romulans and 150 the Klingons (estimation !). Now you wanna introduce a new ship. From previous sales you now that a new Fed ship will be bought by 200 people. A new Romulan ship by 80 and a new Klingon one by 50.
Now as a profit oriented company which faction would YOU release most new ships for? It's understandable that you don't like it but you gonna have to live with it.
The interesting comparison is not with Feds, but Roms (and since one of the complaints was a new Romulan ship).
The KDF has *never* been the focus of attention that the Romulans have recently, nor have they ever enjoyed the sort of clear-cut advantages that Rom BOffs provide. The Empire has, one way or another, been a permanent tack-on to STO's Fed focus.
Before writing off the KDF, Cryptic should try a "Wrath of the Empire" season to reboot the Klingons. Roll out some new T5 ships, even if they are relatively minor reskins of existing models - a gunship negh'var, Orion fast corvette, K'Vort BOP to compete with Rom warbirds, Gorn heavy battlecruiser...
Throw in cosmetic stuff / gear that existing Generals can actually use - additional melee weapons, JJ-verse style greatcoats and helmets, targs and saurs.
Put in a narrative arc about "resolving" some of the corruption issues in the Empire - like TNG's redemption arc - which allow Feds / Roms to take a role as well, and slightly rebrand Jm'pok from raving warmonger to a cold, astute politician trying to hold his empire together.
The Haynes Bird of Prey manual introduced a fascinating Klingon political theory; peace is genuinely bad for their society, since warfare provides their means of social mobility - it kills off the weak members of great houses and allows those of lower social status to earn glory. As the theory goes, the corruption of the TNG era was a direct result of Chancellor K'mpec's long and peaceful reign - an utter aberration in Klingon terms.
Of course, I don't seriously expect Cryptic to gamble on this when they could build more adventure zones. But hey, we got Romulans when a lot of people didn't ever expect it - who knows?
kdf faction was originally PVP based, for a long time the klinks hardly got any love, then the house martok missions came and then the featured episodes came in and at one point the moment i had the chance i immediately went out and did spectres; skirmish, spin the wheel and everything old is new, typically on a 30 minute cycle, and all of then could be completed in 20-25 minutes and did all of them 120 times none stop especially when double xp came. this was before f2p. that was tedious!
i think the klingons have got a lot more stuff then have had since they started, by the time the klingons actually got any attention starfleet had about 20 different ship classes and a whole bunch of missions on the side. now the klingons have a good leveling arc like the others and even a few more missions recently. they got a solid fleet base as well.
as for jjcrapverse klingon stuff, no! just no!
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
The interesting comparison is not with Feds, but Roms (and since one of the complaints was a new Romulan ship).
The KDF has *never* been the focus of attention that the Romulans have recently, nor have they ever enjoyed the sort of clear-cut advantages that Rom BOffs provide. The Empire has, one way or another, been a permanent tack-on to STO's Fed focus.
Before writing off the KDF, Cryptic should try a "Wrath of the Empire" season to reboot the Klingons. Roll out some new T5 ships, even if they are relatively minor reskins of existing models - a gunship negh'var, Orion fast corvette, K'Vort BOP to compete with Rom warbirds, Gorn heavy battlecruiser...
Amen. The Klingons would be a latinum mine if Cryptic would handle them right.
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Too small of a sample size. I have 3 Feds, 1 From, and 1 KDF. I have 3 other friends who play STO and they have 2 Feds, 1 From, and 1 KDF each. Yes the sample size is too small but in my tiny circle of STO friends it seems to reinforce the assumption that no one plays KDF.
Wandering the forums, saw this, posting on a whim.
My characters, all lvl 50: 5 KDF, 11 FED, 9 Fed-aligned Romulans. I don't like playing KDF at all, but I really wish I did. There's really jack all to do over there, and teams, at least the ones I manage to find are extremely sub-par, far less "good" than any Fed team I can get. That is my experience; I have been here since beta, for what it's worth. I would love to be able to enjoy KDF more than I do, but it needs to be playable first. At least give the players some more costume options, for pete sakes...
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This. The KDF definitely needs a bit more unique missions and storylines. I know the OP, I suggested several ships with reasonable weaknesses once and he kept saying "Overpowered." even when I made adjustments to make it fair. I have another friend who plays KDF and is happy with the way it is. All KDF needs is a more unique storyline and probably more social maps. The expansion of the foundry would help a lot in this matter. No offense, but whining does get really tiring when they could just request nicely. There are way too many ships in the game, maybe continue lockbox ships, but otherwise, that's it. Maybe a ship pack or two for the KDF, but otherwise, we're done with ships.
What makes it so bad? Humor me.
"The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy" ~ The Doctor
I have 4 level 50 KDF characters (and deleted 6 more level 50's).
But go on with your assumptions.
Somebody can't take an analogy. Anyway, enough with the bigotry. We're beating around the bush. I don't care if you've put all 4 of those too s on ice or what. The point is that there's just too many of these anti-kdf type people out there, who have nothing better to do than to knock on those who want to see their faction get a nanoscopic bit of love.
"The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy" ~ The Doctor
Too small of a sample size. I have 3 Feds, 1 From, and 1 KDF. I have 3 other friends who play STO and they have 2 Feds, 1 From, and 1 KDF each. Yes the sample size is too small but in my tiny circle of STO friends it seems to reinforce the assumption that no one plays KDF.
This is why we can't have nice things
Cryptic...all I'll say is when you neglect AN ENTIRE FACTION, you're just gimping yourself.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
The KDF needs, at the least, a five tac console ship, a five fore weapon slot ship, and a carrier escort, comparable to the Federation and Romulan versions.
They also need story content that shows the better side of the Klingons. Cryptic has tried, even in non-KDF missions. The Doomsday Machine has a great Klingon hero who sacrifices himself, and the Romulan mission where you pick a faction is all about why you should join the Klingons (to the point of making the Federation badly written as being terrible at diplomacy).
Then you go over to the KDF side, and you sell civilians into slavery and torture helpless captives who can't fight back. The KDF insists that they can save the Federation from the Undine, but need Section 31 to point out the corruption in their own Empire. It's weird, and it turns me off, especially when startrek.com has an article about how the Klingons in STO are noble warriors who follow the ideals of Worf.
The artwork is already done with b'rel. They can just scale that and up the detail a bit. If necessary then can make (an) alternate(s) skins too. I guarantee you that the K'vort would sell very well. Think of it this way:
5,000 players spending on average $25 (not counting those buying all 3) is $125,000. Even with 2-3 man months of work with a salary of 5-6K + other costs, it would still make them a decent profit.
I am sure KDF fans would happily spread the news and get people signed up for it. I believe that if they make something that fans would like then it will sell. Ugly and slow turning bort with failed weapon won't sell. Negh'var that is gimped(boff layout) compared to Avenger won't sell either.
- Judge Aaron Satie
That's because the Orions are in charge of the KDF, the Klingons just don't know it.
Um... read towards the bottom of my post, I specified two ship packs for the KDF.
I'm just putting down what the KDF needs, bare minimum.
They honestly need about five-ten ships, but those three are the big ones. Right now, Starfleet ships outgun the KDF, which is positively silly.
...sarcasm or truth? >.>
"The Borg - party-poopers of the galaxy" ~ The Doctor
That's exactly why they don't want to make the K'vort, "Because it looks like a B'rel". :mad:
But yes, people been waiting for the K'Vort since even before STO launched. And really, they no longer have excuses not to make it. Given that they have ship skins that look like other ships or ships with identical performance, especially Fleet Ships.
Not to mention it is a canonical ship and they did promise "all canonical ships will eventually make it into STO". So if they don't, then they were just lying.
"Eventually"
In my experience the angry posters are a vocal minority, they are not the majority of actual players. Most players I've known in the past or that I still see in game, seldom read or post the KDF forums anymore. We've got little reason to do so since the overall consistent response from Cryptic (other than silence) has been "Show us the money" and our polite response was always "Happy to! When you make something we've asked for". The silent majority of us have given up even asking or sharing ideas anymore.
The last ship we got was gimped IMO when it was released eons ago, the Bortasqu, we warned them about it before they released it, got ignored and then they cried when it made no money. Go figure
Personally as a KDF-centric player, I'm more bored than anything else, there just isn't much incentive for me to play or spend money on the game. I'll be happy to show them the money when they show me the content we've requested since day one. Until then I just spend my time/money on other games, and only visit STO occasionally.
Somewhat true.
Particularly recently with the big advent of 'FAW/APB' kind of builds, the tac Bortas has for a long time being a powerhouse in damage.
It's just that most people, from the time it was released, even till now, dismiss it.
Technically, the tac Bortasqu' was the first ship in the game to have 5 tac consoles. The Ody/Bortas were released months before the fleet system, so really, KDF had 5 tac consoles first.
But those 5 consoles can HURT. sure it's a big, slow boat of a ship, but with all the power creep, that has lessened a good deal. It has 4 tac consoles, 4 eng consoles, and 1 sci console at it's base version. So it has a lot of room for plenty of damage and turn consoles. Plus the new cruiser commands (Bortas has 3 of them) help as well.
Plus being a battlecruiser, it has DHC usage, along with a cloak (though gimped), and so on.
Though it's also the reason for the current KDF 'ship drought' that has been since it's release. Apparently 'nobody bought it, and it didn't make a profit' within whatever unrealistic time period Cryptic used at the time, so they haven't made a tier 5 KDF C-store ship since.
And why is that? How many Klingon fanclubs are there? How many Romulan? In whose language is A Christmas Carol regularly performed? In whose language were Hamlet, Kiss Me and Never Gonna Give You Up translated? In whose language was a whole opera written and performed? Whose melee weapons do you get in any good shop that sells swords? I'll give you a hint. It's not Romulans, Vulcans, Andorians or Borg. Cryptic failing to make money from Klingons is not the fault of Klingons not being popular. It's solely the problem of how Cryptic treated them. It took until LoR to give them their own storyline, and then they were completely overshadowed by everything the Romulans got.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
This.
The Bortas is a damn good ship, but the KDF have had their battlecruisers for so long, they don't know how to pilot a ship that can't turn on a dime, yet continually tell Feds to "adapt" and "lrn2play" with their slow-turning cruisers whenever Feds ask for a 1-point turn rate buff to their slowest ships. Instead of adapting themselves, the KDF completely dismisses the Bortas as a "TRIBBLE ship" because it can't turn.
My Klingon is still waiting to trade his Guramba Siege Destroyer for a Talon Battleship if it ever comes out.
There you go - at least one more ship to add to the list.
When does it not end up as Fed vs KDF?
That actually needs to happen, you know. The KDF, whether you like it or not, is the 2nd independent faction of this game. It has received poor attention since STO released. Not on par in ship selections. Not on par in the number of PVE missions. There hasn't been a new endgame KDF C-Store ship since the Bortasqu', which was from almost 2 YEARS ago. Etc., Etc., Etc.
Cryptic has stunted this game as a whole by catering to only a single aspect of the game, the Federation.
Now as a profit oriented company which faction would YOU release most new ships for? It's understandable that you don't like it but you gonna have to live with it.
The KDF has *never* been the focus of attention that the Romulans have recently, nor have they ever enjoyed the sort of clear-cut advantages that Rom BOffs provide. The Empire has, one way or another, been a permanent tack-on to STO's Fed focus.
Before writing off the KDF, Cryptic should try a "Wrath of the Empire" season to reboot the Klingons. Roll out some new T5 ships, even if they are relatively minor reskins of existing models - a gunship negh'var, Orion fast corvette, K'Vort BOP to compete with Rom warbirds, Gorn heavy battlecruiser...
Throw in cosmetic stuff / gear that existing Generals can actually use - additional melee weapons, JJ-verse style greatcoats and helmets, targs and saurs.
Put in a narrative arc about "resolving" some of the corruption issues in the Empire - like TNG's redemption arc - which allow Feds / Roms to take a role as well, and slightly rebrand Jm'pok from raving warmonger to a cold, astute politician trying to hold his empire together.
The Haynes Bird of Prey manual introduced a fascinating Klingon political theory; peace is genuinely bad for their society, since warfare provides their means of social mobility - it kills off the weak members of great houses and allows those of lower social status to earn glory. As the theory goes, the corruption of the TNG era was a direct result of Chancellor K'mpec's long and peaceful reign - an utter aberration in Klingon terms.
Of course, I don't seriously expect Cryptic to gamble on this when they could build more adventure zones. But hey, we got Romulans when a lot of people didn't ever expect it - who knows?
i think the klingons have got a lot more stuff then have had since they started, by the time the klingons actually got any attention starfleet had about 20 different ship classes and a whole bunch of missions on the side. now the klingons have a good leveling arc like the others and even a few more missions recently. they got a solid fleet base as well.
as for jjcrapverse klingon stuff, no! just no!
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Amen. The Klingons would be a latinum mine if Cryptic would handle them right.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Wandering the forums, saw this, posting on a whim.
My characters, all lvl 50: 5 KDF, 11 FED, 9 Fed-aligned Romulans. I don't like playing KDF at all, but I really wish I did. There's really jack all to do over there, and teams, at least the ones I manage to find are extremely sub-par, far less "good" than any Fed team I can get. That is my experience; I have been here since beta, for what it's worth. I would love to be able to enjoy KDF more than I do, but it needs to be playable first. At least give the players some more costume options, for pete sakes...