[Request] End Boff Stacking

mroldravage

Since Romulan Players have the potential of getting a lot stronger than Feds or Klingons due to stacking of superior operative Boffs (+crth +crtd +cloak cooldown reduction), I propose to introduce a simple method to balance the Factions.

Stop stacking of identical Boff traits for all traits.

So this would leave us rommies with max 1 operative captain, 1 superior op boff, 1 op boff and one basic op boff.

This would increase the diversity on Ships, to include more races on Ships, eg not everyone likes to have a human in a completely saurian(efficient) crew.

This would stop arguments that Rommies are op when Rommies are complaining about the drasticly reduced power levels, their Singularity cores, their mostly inefficient Singularity abilities.

One could lay an eye on all the bugs Rommies have to fight with, most notably most stealth effects not working correctly.

shadowwraith77

So you want to effectively help ruin what helps romulan toons in general? NTY keep it the way it is currently. :rolleyes:

notapwefan

if this will happen then people will stop creating romulan toon(s) and hence a bit of dent in cryptic's income.
What you are asking to remove is bascially what keeps romulan running

lianthelia

Yeah but it would also ruin efficient and leadership, not that they're very effective but it would ruin it.

jellico1

mroldravage wrote: »

Since Romulan Players have the potential of getting a lot stronger than Feds or Klingons due to stacking of superior operative Boffs (+crth +crtd +cloak cooldown reduction), I propose to introduce a simple method to balance the Factions.

Stop stacking of identical Boff traits for all traits.

So this would leave us rommies with max 1 operative captain, 1 superior op boff, 1 op boff and one basic op boff.

This would increase the diversity on Ships, to include more races on Ships, eg not everyone likes to have a human in a completely saurian(efficient) crew.

This would stop arguments that Rommies are op when Rommies are complaining about the drasticly reduced power levels, their Singularity cores, their mostly inefficient Singularity abilities.

One could lay an eye on all the bugs Rommies have to fight with, most notably most stealth effects not working correctly.

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Romulans currently make your Fed toons and KDF toon Null and void in DPS

So everyone makes new Rommie toons and spend zen to buy them ships clothing ect

Cryptic makes money

End of story

Go Rom or go home

ravagerborg

I'm quite a noob when it comes to knowing about the best available space traits.

Besides Romulan Boffs from the Embassy with the Sup. Op trait, Efficient Saurians and Humans with Leadership what other good space traits are available for FED Boffs?

I've heard about Piracy in a cross faction Boff but it seems to be broken, is that true?

Any other good space traits?

lianthelia

ravagerborg wrote: »

I'm quite a noob when it comes to knowing about the best available space traits.

Besides Romulan Boffs from the Embassy with the Sup. Op trait, Efficient Saurians and Humans with Leadership what other good space traits are available for FED Boffs?

I've heard about Piracy in a cross faction Boff but it seems to be broken, is that true?

Any other good space traits?

That is it pretty much, cept for the Liberated Borg from the c-store with efficient and I think the Liberated Borg Romulan from the Lobi store has efficient.

carasucia83

More Boff races with different traits that also stack to give different and equally OP bonuses for all factions. That's the answer.

gstamo01

Stop Nerf Requesting and just fix the Embassy Boffs to match the level of Romulan Player Boffs.

stevedudeman

lianthelia wrote: »

That is it pretty much, cept for the Liberated Borg from the c-store with efficient and I think the Liberated Borg Romulan from the Lobi store has efficient.

Yup I think thats it. Since they're aren't even 5 space traits combined for kdf or fed, you'd really just be TRIBBLE those 2 factions with no boff stacking...

mynameisnom

Im sick of hearing feds complain about roms ^_^ deal with it. You have 3x as many ships as us, you can design exterior and interior waaaay more, you now have a command ship thats op'd, so shuuuuuuush and deal with us munching you for breakfast because you try to kill use with faw and turret bug :P

mynameisnom

Don't ask for something you're not meant to have. You already have our damn cloak :eek:

mynameisnom

Feds with cloaks......

johnny111971

Actually, on the my first read of the OP's post... I disagreed. Then sitting back and thinking about it... I agree, and would expand it to cover Doffs as well.

The stacking of abilities does create some general balance issues... yes, it is a give and take... but still. Standard A2B uses 3 Technician Doffs + Marion.

If traits were not stackable... it would address a lot of issues... a similar reason was giving for making Leadership unstackable... It was the defacto build in PvP to have 5 leadership boffs.

I'll give this a +0.5... but chances are (as others pointed out), it will only happen when the money dries up and we move on to the next trait.

buccaneerdtb

So...after listing stacking crit Boffs as the reason Romulans shouldn't get cruiser commands, after criticizing Romulan captains for asking why they can't get cruiser commands, now the call goes out to eliminate the advantage that cruiser commands are supposed to be fixing.

Perhaps this thread could be moved and merged with the other ones about balancing Romulans and cruiser commands. This is the very reason I said not to list stacking Boffs as a Romulan advantage, I know it will get nerfed.

johnny111971 wrote: »

I agree, and would expand it to cover Doffs as well.

The stacking of abilities does create some general balance issues... yes, it is a give and take... but still. Standard A2B uses 3 Technician Doffs + Marion.

If traits were not stackable... it would address a lot of issues... a similar reason was giving for making Leadership unstackable... It was the defacto build in PvP to have 5 leadership boffs.

I agree with this too, if they do this though, can we have our 40 power back?

mynameisnom

Lets make this simple. Romulans are going to keep your boffs. Feds already have enough. If anything KDF should be yelling at us for stuff :rolleyes:

dahminus

mynameisnom wrote: »

Im sick of hearing feds complain about roms ^_^ deal with it. You have 3x as many ships as us, you can design exterior and interior waaaay more, you now have a command ship thats op'd, so shuuuuuuush and deal with us munching you for breakfast because you try to kill use with faw and turret bug :P

You have amazing game mechanics and we have "fluff."

All do respect gtfo...

Your ships are flat out amazing, we may have more but there are only a handful that are optimized. How does this argument imply to the kdf?

Your ships have enhanced battle cloak and singularity powers...that is more then enough reason to justify -10 to all systems. If you think it is too much, get a leech and a singularity core and just move on. -10 to all systems is beyond counter able

A potential 10% crit and 15% critd, just for boffs is ridiculous, it is unbalanced and is a ploy to get players to play Romulans. It worked indeed, but it is bs and if Romulans were their own race, the amount of whining for a nerf would be unbelievable.

Either embassy boffs get a makeover, sci/eng variants get rom operatives. Hell, make them basic, that would mire then suffice. Or do as the OP says and make them stop stacking.

T3 embassy sci/eng rom op boffs should have been a thing...i still think it's an oversight that is coming down the road

dahminus

Was it a dev that said rom boffs are the reason for them not getting cruiser commands?

That sounds ill advised at best...the obvious comparison is singularity powers, but if that is what they say then I suppose the matter is at an end for me...I originally thought it was to make cruisers more playable

tonyalmeida2

Was there a good reason why you needed to spell out your bad points in 4 separate posts rather do it in 1 well written and organized post? Also as an earlier poster mentioned, customizing ship interiors is no where near the level of sro. The avenger even with cruiser commands is still outclassed by the scimitar, battle cloak and hanger. Big deal the feds have some ships, the romulans have the best ships in the game. Some of the fleet variants compare to lockbox ships. For instance, Fleet Dhelan is extremely close to the JHAS. I suspect that once the Fleet Arkif comes out that it will outclass the JHEC.

Romulans are op. I have no problems with the Romulans being op, but to deny that they are is stupid and ignorant.

gstamo01

I gotta say, if Romulans were so damn smart and talented, they'd have saved their planet from destruction. :P

totenmet

I have made equaly succesful builds accros all factions for tac eng en sci toons. 15K+ average DPS is easily doable for tacticals federation/Klingon/romulan. I even do most of the time 20K+. Just a matter of learning how to setup things and learn from experiences from others and analyze your battle log, etc.

reynoldsxd

mroldravage wrote: »

Since Romulan Players have the potential of getting a lot stronger than Feds or Klingons due to stacking of superior operative Boffs (+crth +crtd +cloak cooldown reduction), I propose to introduce a simple method to balance the Factions.

Stop stacking of identical Boff traits for all traits.

So this would leave us rommies with max 1 operative captain, 1 superior op boff, 1 op boff and one basic op boff.

This would increase the diversity on Ships, to include more races on Ships, eg not everyone likes to have a human in a completely saurian(efficient) crew.

This would stop arguments that Rommies are op when Rommies are complaining about the drasticly reduced power levels, their Singularity cores, their mostly inefficient Singularity abilities.

One could lay an eye on all the bugs Rommies have to fight with, most notably most stealth effects not working correctly.

How about we start looking into giving feds and klinkers good traits too?

Stop attempting to balance by nerfing.

buccaneerdtb

dahminus wrote: »

Was it a dev that said rom boffs are the reason for them not getting cruiser commands?

That sounds ill advised at best...the obvious comparison is singularity powers, but if that is what they say then I suppose the matter is at an end for me...I originally thought it was to make cruisers more playable

I haven't seen a DEV comment, just the claims of forum posters. I agree that all should be balanced. I fly my Romulan Vet ship, it is close to FED and KDF version, just singularity core different.

wufangchu

I'm not defari. i dont believe in balance. i believe that if you can build it you should be able to fly it. if you cant, too bad. Bottom line though is that although i may not get 10+K dps I'm still pulling 7-9K across all my ships regardless of faction, and since ive only been playing since March, I'm a noob with an IQ <150, but if i can do it, anyone can..
if ypu want to balance things out then rebalance ships capabilities.. a tiny little miranda should NOT be able to even put a dent in a flagship, let alone go toe to toe with it..