Whatever. I have no time for fanboy TRIBBLE slinging matches. We are just going to have to agree to disagree, and leave it at that.
Based on my experience, Cryptic is the better company to deal with. At least I can point out flaws in the game and constructively criticize the choices/actions by the developers on the official forums, and not get a warning or edited post. Or worse, a ban. And little to no customer service is better than having a customer service department that treats you like a trailer park tramp.
Is Cryptic/PWE perfect? No, they have their issues. But I have yet to see them pull screwjobs worthy of a pro wrestling promotion like Bioware/EA pulled with the TORtanic.
It's well within your rights to defend them and their products if they make you happy. But don't expect the people who personally witnessed their shenanigans you read about on the internet to march in lockstep.
Anyway, I'll let you folks get back to your regularly scheduled DOOM.
So you're telling me that people who blast through content (in a game where core content can be completed in a single day) will stay longer in STO than those whom only use content as a role-playing element? Me thinks your calculator is broken.
So you cant prove it to me? you cant tell me what % rp?
i personally hate RP. I dont do it at all yet I've been here for nearly 4 years. so what does any of this prove? my longevity is equal to anyone in this game and yet i dont rp.
role players dont get bored? they do it every single day? they dont take breaks?
A few things,
1) STO is a 4 year old game. Not many 4 year old games get new content (even at our pitiful pace) let alone revamps.
2) It is easier for PWE to tell us what we want and say "if you don't like it, don't play" but leave it F2P to hopefully allow more people in, than out.
3) Have you seen other PWE titles? STO has alot of grind and stupid things but the other titles are alot worse. To an hilarious degree.
I hate to bring it up, but EQ is knocking on 15 years old and it gets new content very regularly.
You are right about 2 and 3, and I hope people here have enough sense to steer PWE away from these choices rather than follow the cliche "another chicken little" in effort to stay in the "cool crowd".
So you cant prove it to me? you cant tell me what % rp?
i personally hate RP. I dont do it at all yet I've been here for nearly 4 years. so what does any of this prove? my longevity is equal to anyone in this game and yet i dont rp.
role players dont get bored? they do it every single day? they dont take breaks?
its not logic, its speculation.
Can you? Then your argument is ALSO speculation. Welcome to the party.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
Do you believe the wide variety of vanity uniforms are for you? Do you think the bridges are for you? Do you realize that nearly every aspect of the lifetime veteran rewards are ROLE-PLAYING REWARDS? The Chimera is not a tweak ship and cant hold water to the Arty or Multi-Vector in dps or survivability. The uniform, combadge, the pet, title, these are all role-playing elements. So tell me, using some real logic here, why do you suppose that every reward in the lifetime veteran's list is role playing elements with the exception of the skill boost?
I own every Fed ship, every Fed costume, every Fed playable and Boff species, etc. I'm not a role-player. I own all but 2 KDF ships and every KDF item from the C-Store. I'm not a role-player. I think you get the picture.
And if you think the Chimera is a bad ship, well, you need to learn how to use it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I hate to bring it up, but EQ is knocking on 15 years old and it gets new content very regularly.
And what's your point? You're about to get Season 8, and you got a new Expansion Pack, all for free.
Not liking the content is not the same thing as not getting content.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I own every Fed ship, every Fed costume, every Fed playable and Boff species, etc. I'm not a role-player. I own all but 2 KDF ships and every KDF item from the C-Store. I'm not a role-player. I think you get the picture.
And if you think the Chimera is a bad ship, well, you need to learn how to use it.
The Chimera is an awful ship. It was perhaps great when they came out with it, but even now T5 fleet ships are challenged by lockbox ships (and weapons).
You can say you have everything PWE has created, but the fact is, the items they have in the veteran rewards are for role playing purposes -again, with the exception of the skill boost. You can't deny that so I don't understand why you would try to dance around it by trying to trivialize the statement by somehow implying that because you also use it, it is therefor invalid.
And what's your point? You're about to get Season 8, and you got a new Expansion Pack, all for free.
Not liking the content is not the same thing as not getting content.
You need to shave the rest of your head now, because that point zoomed right over your head.
*point*
YOU.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
i will remind you that i said 'I really dont think the role players which is the group the OP seems to be worried about actually makes up any sizeable portion of the games population'
you replied with 'Role players make up a rather big portion of this game, and when thinking about it logically, they likely also make up the biggest portion of players with longevity.'
you replied with a comment that sounded like you knew, when you dont. you then said that likely have the highest longevity despite no evidence to your guess.
so we are back to my last point. its not logic, its speculation.
The Chimera is an awful ship. It was perhaps great when they came out with it, but even now T5 fleet ships are challenged by lockbox ships (and weapons).
You can say you have everything PWE has created, but the fact is, the items they have in the veteran rewards are for role playing purposes -again, with the exception of the skill boost. You can't deny that so I don't understand why you would try to dance around it by trying to trivialize the statement by somehow implying that because you also use it, it is therefor invalid.
They gave me a Monkey so i can RP Micheal Jackson??? OMG I'm such a noob I've been playing STO all wrong this whole time.
i will remind you that i said 'I really dont think the role players which is the group the OP seems to be worried about actually makes up any sizeable portion of the games population'
you replied with 'Role players make up a rather big portion of this game, and when thinking about it logically, they likely also make up the biggest portion of players with longevity.'
you replied with a comment that sounded like you knew, when you dont. you then said that likely have the highest longevity despite no evidence to your guess.
so we are back to my last point. its not logic, its speculation.
So, my argument is speculation because it can't be proven and based on some logic. Your argument also can't be proven and you claim is also based on some logic.
Right, so then your argument is also speculation. Welcome to the party.
They gave me a Monkey so i can RP Micheal Jackson??? OMG I'm such a noob I've been playing STO all wrong this whole time.
this threat has educated me
Why else would they give you a monkey that jumps around? You think they're advertising for Planter's Peanuts? :P
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
You can say you have everything PWE has created, but the fact is, the items they have in the veteran rewards are for role playing purposes -again, with the exception of the skill boost. You can't deny that so I don't understand why you would try to dance around it by trying to trivialize the statement by somehow implying that because you also use it, it is therefor invalid.
i dont recall roleplaying with any of the vet rewards either. sure you can roleplay with them. im sure a roleplayer can use almost anything to roleplay if he wishes but there is no reason to think these where made with roleplay in mind as its main goal.
we use bridges and costumes because it looks cool. because we want to look like the characters from the show, and walk around the locations. thats not roleplay.
First, I think EQ is done. They decided this summer to no longer make new content for it. I may be wrong. Either way it doesn't change what I am saying.
And Wow and Eve do make alot of content. WOW is just the same junk, but EVE seemingly adds new features often.
But when you look at all the MMO's out there, you won't see lots of change or "good" content in F2P.
How many F2P mmo's increase their level cap (I think LOTR did once) or increase non grindy content? None.
All wow does it release grindy content and they aren't F2P.
MMO's are grindy. Every single one of them.
Wow wasn't originally. But EQ.....oh EQ......
Conan wasn't when it was originally released either. Neither was Camelot. But they became grindy.
So, my argument is speculation because it can't be proven and based on some logic. Your argument also can't be proven and you claim is also based on some logic.
Right, so then your argument is also speculation. Welcome to the party.
I dont think you seem to grasp how this works. I made a comment that was a guess. you replied that i was wrong by telling me so. you cant back it up in any way. nor am i claiming my post was based on logic either. im claiming it was a guess.
i dont recall roleplaying with any of the vet rewards either. sure you can roleplay with them. im sure a roleplayer can use almost anything to roleplay if he wishes but there is no reason to think these where made with roleplay in mind as its main goal.
we use bridges and costumes because it looks cool. because we want to look like the characters from the show, and walk around the locations. thats not roleplay.
Let me make sure I'm interpreting your argument correctly -- because you don't role-play with a role-playing item, therefor it is not a role-playing item? Does that sum it up? So therefor we can assume from your logic that because I don't drive my Chevelle, it is therefor not an automobile?
I dont think you seem to grasp how this works. I made a comment that was a guess. you replied that i was wrong by telling me so. you cant back it up in any way. nor am i claiming my post was based on logic either. im claiming it was a guess.
Obviously you too are not grasping it: You replied originally claiming my argument was wrong by interjecting MORE speculation. This makes your argument circular and therefor invalid.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
I own every Fed ship, every Fed costume, every Fed playable and Boff species, etc. I'm not a role-player. I own all but 2 KDF ships and every KDF item from the C-Store. I'm not a role-player. I think you get the picture.
And if you think the Chimera is a bad ship, well, you need to learn how to use it.
Know how bad listening to the masses can be? I avoided the Chimera because of all the flack it was taking. Then thought on one toon just to be different, why not try it. I like it myself. So for all the people in here saying how TOR is so bad, that is an opinion that probably is flawed as well.
Now, I -- while invited to the beta -- have yet to try the new space PvP beta. One part is that it pisses me off that while we the players complained about the space on rails, BW did tell us the couldn't do more due to the engine of the game and this shows they either lied or just were not competent enough to do it before.
Yes, I like TOR. And like STO, with the flaws, they are based on IPs I love. If either game was made the way they are but not based on Trek or Wars, I'd probably have left both a long time ago out of boredom... just like I did with Champions Online where my characters last login was like 1200+ days ago. IP I don't care about + weakly designed game = GOODBYE. And STO is CO with just another skin no matter what people believe.
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"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
Let me make sure I'm interpreting your argument correctly -- because you don't role-play with a role-playing item, therefor it is not a role-playing item? Does that sum it up? So therefor we can assume from your logic that because I don't drive my Chevelle, it is therefor not an automobile?
Obviously you too are not grasping it: You replied originally claiming my argument was wrong by interjecting MORE speculation. This makes your argument circular and therefor invalid.
An items is not a role-play item. A bridge is not a role-play item. It's a bridge. A uniform is not a role-play item. It's a uniform. Yes, you can role-play while using the item, but you can also role-play while not using the item. Thus, it's not a role-play item. It's just an item.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
An items is not a role-play item. A bridge is not a role-play item. It's a bridge. A uniform is not a role-play item. It's a uniform. Yes, you can role-play while using the item, but you can also role-play while not using the item. Thus, it's not a role-play item. It's just an item.
So tell me, what usefulness is a bridge to a tweaker? What stats does it provide? What usefulness is a uniform? What stats does that provide to a tweaker? Just curious.
Assuming you can't provide statistical values to the above stated questions: What you are indeed saying is that an item is not a role-playing item at your behest because what you say is final even though it ONLY benefits someone who role-plays?
First, I think EQ is done. They decided this summer to no longer make new content for it. I may be wrong. Either way it doesn't change what I am saying.
And Wow and Eve do make alot of content. WOW is just the same junk, but EVE seemingly adds new features often.
But when you look at all the MMO's out there, you won't see lots of change or "good" content in F2P.
How many F2P mmo's increase their level cap (I think LOTR did once) or increase non grindy content? None.
All wow does it release grindy content and they aren't F2P.
MMO's are grindy. Every single one of them.
Wow wasn't originally. But EQ.....oh EQ......
Conan wasn't when it was originally released either. Neither was Camelot. But they became grindy.
Please don't get me started on EQ and how SOE purposely sabotaged that game.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
Let me make sure I'm interpreting your argument correctly -- because you don't role-play with a role-playing item, therefor it is not a role-playing item? Does that sum it up? So therefor we can assume from your logic that because I don't drive my Chevelle, it is therefor not an automobile?
these items are not specifically roleplay items. these are items that can be used to enhance people that do roleplay.
a ship interior is not a roleplay item. it can be used by roleplayers.
a ship is a not a roleplay item. it can be used by roleplayers.
clothing is nor a roleplay item. it can be used by roleplayers.
do you understand the difference? these items were not created for roleplayers. they were created for everyone and people can use them to roleplay if they wish. that does not mean that the majority of people roleplay or these items where made for roleplayers in mind. even if you remove every single roleplayer from this game, these items would still have value to everyone else because they are not specifically roleplay items as you claim.
Considering how much I've dealt with the community for the 4 years, I can safely say that no, the majority of players are not RP'ers. A reasonable chunk? Sure. But majority? Nah.
People will pretend they're starship captains sure, they'll even MAYBE dabble in little "rp" sessions that happen on a whim at a starbase if someone includes them. But most just wanna play the PVE content, make friends and discuss walking dead (that was just a random tv show that popped into my head :P) then go off and do something else.
Do I want to be able to customize the interior of my ship using the foundry? WELL DUH :P Am I going to jump ship and go to another game because that's happening elsewhere? Newp. I play both TOR and STO and have for awhile. Both have their appeals but I haven't seen anything recently that'll be a direct, major threat to STO and haven't since day 1.
But just for added fun
ZOMG DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM! (had too hehe)
PS - When we do get rid of threads, even if they're controversial if they have good intel they do get passed along AFAIK
Yes, I'm that Askray@Batbayer in game. Yes, I still play. No, I don't care. Former Community Moderator, Former SSR DJ, Now Full time father to two kids, Husband, Retail Worker. Tiktok: @Askray Facebook: Askray113
[...]Please don't get me started on EQ and how SOE purposely sabotaged that game.
Let me guess... you are one of those that don't believe there was someone on the moon and the Government is testing Bio-Agents with those "Chem-Trails"?
Considering how much I've dealt with the community for the 4 years, I can safely say that no, the majority of players are not RP'ers. A reasonable chunk? Sure. But majority? Nah.
People will pretend they're starship captains sure, they'll even MAYBE dabble in little "rp" sessions that happen on a whim at a starbase if someone includes them. But most just wanna play the PVE content, make friends and discuss walking dead (that was just a random tv show that popped into my head :P) then go off and do something else.
Do I want to be able to customize the interior of my ship using the foundry? WELL DUH :P Am I going to jump ship and go to another game because that's happening elsewhere? Newp. I play both TOR and STO and have for awhile. Both have their appeals but I haven't seen anything recently that'll be a direct, major threat to STO and haven't since day 1.
But just for added fun
ZOMG DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM! (had too hehe)
PS - When we do get rid of threads, even if they're controversial if they have good intel they do get passed along AFAIK
I did not say that the the majority was role players, I did say the majority of the longevity players were indeed role players. In fact, the 50 or so friends I have who have lifetime subs, about 30 of those are role players at least part-time.
I made the argument counter to someone claiming that the amount of role-players in this game was so insignificant that they shouldn't be entertained (quite literally what was said being summed up).
Let me guess... you are one of those that don't believe there was someone on the moon and the Government is testing Bio-Agents with those "Chem-Trails"?
No, I was just observant and noticed that about the time POP came out and split the community, at the very moment, they were working on EQ2 which further split it. It was also notable that SOE couldn't maximize their profits from EQ1 because of the rights that Brad had to that title.
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
So tell me, what usefulness is a bridge to a tweaker? What stats does it provide? What usefulness is a uniform? What stats does that provide to a tweaker? Just curious.
Assuming you can't provide statistical values to the above stated questions: What you are indeed saying is that an item is not a role-playing item at your behest because what you say is final even though it ONLY benefits someone who role-plays?
You do understand that liking an item doesn't make you a role-player? It makes you a fan. Wanting your character to wear the same uniform as Kirk in TWoK doesn't make me a role-player. It makes me a fan of TWoK. Those are two entirely different things.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
askray, and equally can be said "I play both TOR and STO and have for awhile. Both have their appeals but I haven't seen anything recently that'll be a direct, major threat to TOR and haven't since day 1."?
Sure it can be said. So these threads really crack me up because the internet nerd rage is strong with people's insecurities.
Most people play the games for different reasons/pleasure.
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"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
You do understand that liking an item doesn't make you a role-player? It makes you a fan. Wanting to wear the same uniform as Kirk in TWoK doesn't make me a role-player. It makes me a fan of TWoK. Those are two entirely different things.
My friend, you just hit the essence of role-playing.
role-play (rlpl)
v. role-played, role-play?ing, role-plays
v.tr.
To assume or represent in a drama; act out: "Participants are encouraged to pass on leads about jobs ... and to role-play interview situations with each other" (Hatfield MA Valley Advocate).
v.intr.
To assume or act out a particular role: "When I hire people I role-play with them ... to see how they take pressure" (Peter Schrag).
n.
Role-playing.
The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ?2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
Need I remind you this is a MMORPG you are talking about -- Massive Multuiplayer Online RolePlaying Game. Perhapse you guys/gals realize how silly you sound?
Said NO to Arc. Gets punished by not being given a free outfit, free lobi, and free shuttle. Now forced to use Arc's site when trying to get to STO site. Still not rewards for beta testing the Arc website by force. Bravo Cryptic.
Little did I know that if I chose to wear my green lantern tshirt instead of my bud lite tshirt I was roleplaying. I guess these forums are useful for something.
Little did I know that if I chose to wear my green lantern tshirt instead of my bud lite tshirt I was roleplaying. I guess these forums are useful for something.
Or when I wear my Batman t-shirt that I'm Batman. Hey, we should form up the Justice League and find a guy wearing the S, Lightning shirt, and a scantly dressed girl in a Wonder Woman shirt.
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"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
Telling the truth about a games faults isn't called bashing, it's called honesty.
no lets get it right its ones >>>opinion<<< on some of the things but lets be honest sto is no perfect mmo and that all im trying to say any time swtor is mentioned ppl here are fast to put that game down like sto is sooo perfect
Correction it was the Ataritanic that set sail. STO was merely a passenger. When PWE took over, STO and Cryptic were the only successful properties Atari had that they could sell.
ya sure lets blame all of sto failure on atari like non of it can be placed on cryptic how many featured episode series has cryptic done since PWE took over how many was done before PWE took over only thing really groundbreaking been done since PWE was adding a mini romulan faction
Since the subject of space is mentioned a lot in here, can someone post me all the Youtube videos of Star Trek shows/movies where the space combat means taking shots from the rear ALL THE TIME? No matter what course direction change, the NPC's immediately counter with staying in the back. I am having a hard time finding those episodes. And since Cryptic is perfect in every way and nothing wrong with the game is on them by the elite defender squad, I figured I must have missed those episodes. (Or they must have been part of that god awful Enterprise show that I did not have the stomach for)
Cryptic captured the Star Trek space combat so perfectly, right? And since they did, there must be hundreds of videos showing the shooting from behind always in Star Trek.
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my reply...... ya i was there when the stotanic set sail and its P2P model hit a f2pberg
what cant take your own lame jokes back at ya?
system Lord Baal is dead
So you cant prove it to me? you cant tell me what % rp?
i personally hate RP. I dont do it at all yet I've been here for nearly 4 years. so what does any of this prove? my longevity is equal to anyone in this game and yet i dont rp.
role players dont get bored? they do it every single day? they dont take breaks?
its not logic, its speculation.
I hate to bring it up, but EQ is knocking on 15 years old and it gets new content very regularly.
You are right about 2 and 3, and I hope people here have enough sense to steer PWE away from these choices rather than follow the cliche "another chicken little" in effort to stay in the "cool crowd".
Can you? Then your argument is ALSO speculation. Welcome to the party.
And if you think the Chimera is a bad ship, well, you need to learn how to use it.
Not liking the content is not the same thing as not getting content.
think they forgot wow and eveonline also
system Lord Baal is dead
The Chimera is an awful ship. It was perhaps great when they came out with it, but even now T5 fleet ships are challenged by lockbox ships (and weapons).
You can say you have everything PWE has created, but the fact is, the items they have in the veteran rewards are for role playing purposes -again, with the exception of the skill boost. You can't deny that so I don't understand why you would try to dance around it by trying to trivialize the statement by somehow implying that because you also use it, it is therefor invalid.
You need to shave the rest of your head now, because that point zoomed right over your head.
*point*
YOU.
no i cant. nor did i say i could.
i will remind you that i said 'I really dont think the role players which is the group the OP seems to be worried about actually makes up any sizeable portion of the games population'
you replied with 'Role players make up a rather big portion of this game, and when thinking about it logically, they likely also make up the biggest portion of players with longevity.'
you replied with a comment that sounded like you knew, when you dont. you then said that likely have the highest longevity despite no evidence to your guess.
so we are back to my last point. its not logic, its speculation.
They gave me a Monkey so i can RP Micheal Jackson??? OMG I'm such a noob I've been playing STO all wrong this whole time.
this threat has educated me
So, my argument is speculation because it can't be proven and based on some logic. Your argument also can't be proven and you claim is also based on some logic.
Right, so then your argument is also speculation. Welcome to the party.
Why else would they give you a monkey that jumps around? You think they're advertising for Planter's Peanuts? :P
i dont recall roleplaying with any of the vet rewards either. sure you can roleplay with them. im sure a roleplayer can use almost anything to roleplay if he wishes but there is no reason to think these where made with roleplay in mind as its main goal.
we use bridges and costumes because it looks cool. because we want to look like the characters from the show, and walk around the locations. thats not roleplay.
I haven't forgotten.
First, I think EQ is done. They decided this summer to no longer make new content for it. I may be wrong. Either way it doesn't change what I am saying.
And Wow and Eve do make alot of content. WOW is just the same junk, but EVE seemingly adds new features often.
But when you look at all the MMO's out there, you won't see lots of change or "good" content in F2P.
How many F2P mmo's increase their level cap (I think LOTR did once) or increase non grindy content? None.
All wow does it release grindy content and they aren't F2P.
MMO's are grindy. Every single one of them.
Wow wasn't originally. But EQ.....oh EQ......
Conan wasn't when it was originally released either. Neither was Camelot. But they became grindy.
I dont think you seem to grasp how this works. I made a comment that was a guess. you replied that i was wrong by telling me so. you cant back it up in any way. nor am i claiming my post was based on logic either. im claiming it was a guess.
Let me make sure I'm interpreting your argument correctly -- because you don't role-play with a role-playing item, therefor it is not a role-playing item? Does that sum it up? So therefor we can assume from your logic that because I don't drive my Chevelle, it is therefor not an automobile?
Obviously you too are not grasping it: You replied originally claiming my argument was wrong by interjecting MORE speculation. This makes your argument circular and therefor invalid.
Know how bad listening to the masses can be? I avoided the Chimera because of all the flack it was taking. Then thought on one toon just to be different, why not try it. I like it myself. So for all the people in here saying how TOR is so bad, that is an opinion that probably is flawed as well.
Now, I -- while invited to the beta -- have yet to try the new space PvP beta. One part is that it pisses me off that while we the players complained about the space on rails, BW did tell us the couldn't do more due to the engine of the game and this shows they either lied or just were not competent enough to do it before.
Yes, I like TOR. And like STO, with the flaws, they are based on IPs I love. If either game was made the way they are but not based on Trek or Wars, I'd probably have left both a long time ago out of boredom... just like I did with Champions Online where my characters last login was like 1200+ days ago. IP I don't care about + weakly designed game = GOODBYE. And STO is CO with just another skin no matter what people believe.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
So tell me, what usefulness is a bridge to a tweaker? What stats does it provide? What usefulness is a uniform? What stats does that provide to a tweaker? Just curious.
Assuming you can't provide statistical values to the above stated questions: What you are indeed saying is that an item is not a role-playing item at your behest because what you say is final even though it ONLY benefits someone who role-plays?
Please don't get me started on EQ and how SOE purposely sabotaged that game.
these items are not specifically roleplay items. these are items that can be used to enhance people that do roleplay.
a ship interior is not a roleplay item. it can be used by roleplayers.
a ship is a not a roleplay item. it can be used by roleplayers.
clothing is nor a roleplay item. it can be used by roleplayers.
do you understand the difference? these items were not created for roleplayers. they were created for everyone and people can use them to roleplay if they wish. that does not mean that the majority of people roleplay or these items where made for roleplayers in mind. even if you remove every single roleplayer from this game, these items would still have value to everyone else because they are not specifically roleplay items as you claim.
get it?
People will pretend they're starship captains sure, they'll even MAYBE dabble in little "rp" sessions that happen on a whim at a starbase if someone includes them. But most just wanna play the PVE content, make friends and discuss walking dead (that was just a random tv show that popped into my head :P) then go off and do something else.
Do I want to be able to customize the interior of my ship using the foundry? WELL DUH :P Am I going to jump ship and go to another game because that's happening elsewhere? Newp. I play both TOR and STO and have for awhile. Both have their appeals but I haven't seen anything recently that'll be a direct, major threat to STO and haven't since day 1.
But just for added fun
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Let me guess... you are one of those that don't believe there was someone on the moon and the Government is testing Bio-Agents with those "Chem-Trails"?
I did not say that the the majority was role players, I did say the majority of the longevity players were indeed role players. In fact, the 50 or so friends I have who have lifetime subs, about 30 of those are role players at least part-time.
I made the argument counter to someone claiming that the amount of role-players in this game was so insignificant that they shouldn't be entertained (quite literally what was said being summed up).
No, I was just observant and noticed that about the time POP came out and split the community, at the very moment, they were working on EQ2 which further split it. It was also notable that SOE couldn't maximize their profits from EQ1 because of the rights that Brad had to that title.
Sure it can be said. So these threads really crack me up because the internet nerd rage is strong with people's insecurities.
Most people play the games for different reasons/pleasure.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
My friend, you just hit the essence of role-playing.
Need I remind you this is a MMORPG you are talking about -- Massive Multuiplayer Online RolePlaying Game. Perhapse you guys/gals realize how silly you sound?
Evidently not.
Or when I wear my Batman t-shirt that I'm Batman. Hey, we should form up the Justice League and find a guy wearing the S, Lightning shirt, and a scantly dressed girl in a Wonder Woman shirt.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
no lets get it right its ones >>>opinion<<< on some of the things but lets be honest sto is no perfect mmo and that all im trying to say any time swtor is mentioned ppl here are fast to put that game down like sto is sooo perfect
system Lord Baal is dead
ya sure lets blame all of sto failure on atari like non of it can be placed on cryptic how many featured episode series has cryptic done since PWE took over how many was done before PWE took over only thing really groundbreaking been done since PWE was adding a mini romulan faction
system Lord Baal is dead
Cryptic captured the Star Trek space combat so perfectly, right? And since they did, there must be hundreds of videos showing the shooting from behind always in Star Trek.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution