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Sovereign class the stepchild of STO?

an672b1an672b1 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
edited November 2013 in Federation Discussion
I wonder why the Sovereign class and some other Federation ships have not received any consistently hullmarkings.

Ships such as the Ambassador class, have excellent markings, but the rest of the ships, especially the sovereign, were not brought to this state. is there still something to be changed or should everything stay the way it is? Probably not, right?

How do you feel about that?
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  • trekkerchicktrekkerchick Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    That's because they're the old ships made by Cptn Logan. The Ambassador, Steamrunner etcetra are JamJamz's work. He's put far far more effort into accuracy that Logan. Especially in phaser arrays hazard markings and the strips themselves. Pin striping. RCS.

    Just, over all detail is superior quality.
    I would absolutely love it if JamJamz remastered all the old Federation starships to his quality. Especially the Intrepid, which, in my own opinion, wasn't one of Logan's best works.... The Galaxy's Stardrive is another notorious one, aswell.
  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The Sovvy is the way it looks in there movie except the other two.The Ambassador looks similar to the 1001-A except the plyons and warp necelles.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The original ships were rushed out the door to meet the Launch deadline. They're not as detailed or evolved as later ships. Many of the older ships have undergone some tweaking since Launch but there hasn't been a lot of incentive to work on a "free" ship where there's so many C-Store, Fleet Store, and Lockbox ships to work on.
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  • trekkerchicktrekkerchick Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I would pay to unlock remasters of the old starships. Especially the Intrepid, Nova, Nebula and Galaxy.
    You hear me, Cryptic? *rattles purse* I would pay!
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,882 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    trekkerchick wrote: »
    I would pay to unlock remasters of the old starships. Especially the Intrepid, Nova, Nebula and Galaxy.
    You hear me, Cryptic? *rattles purse* I would pay!

    Improved Nebula and Nova would be nice for sure.
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  • aleaicaleaic Member Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Maybe instead of another starship for the next Anniversary event, next year, they can allow captains more flexibility and customization to the current slate of ships we can access now.

    And my Sovy tain't no stepchild to nothin. My A2B numbah melts through PvE play, just fine. (And looks good in the Veteran skin, while doin it. :p )
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The Sovereign did get an update a few months before F2P went live. The only thing that could make her more accurate is if Jamz tweeks the skin so the hull lines are thinner and tweeks the windows so they match up the Enterprise-E model. Other than that, she is pretty accurate. Only thing better than that is if they come across a hull material that better handles lighting similar to what we seen on screen.
  • koppenflakkoppenflak Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    The Sovereign did get an update a few months before F2P went live. The only thing that could make her more accurate is if Jamz tweeks the skin so the hull lines are thinner and tweeks the windows so they match up the Enterprise-E model. Other than that, she is pretty accurate. Only thing better than that is if they come across a hull material that better handles lighting similar to what we seen on screen.

    Don't forget the pinstripes and lacklustre bussard collectors. More attention to detailing on her black 'delta' panelling around the bridge would be nice too.

    Another pet peeve is the torn/poorly laid UVs on the underside of the aft shuttle bay. They appear either as two black triangles, or bright white reflective surfaces, depending on lighting.

    It's a 'close, but not quite' on the Sovereign. I live with it happily, as it is still the prettiest of any Assault Cruiser variant.

    (Sorry Jamz, you know my opinion on the plucked turkey-slug that is the Regent. ;) )
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  • an672b1an672b1 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It can not be that hard but to make a few stickers on the ship. I demand not equal a complete overhaul on the drawing board, although this would be really necessary, but the red stripe with yellow FED logos must definitely be on the ship ...

    What the ship really needs would be detailed meshes and a new texture, just as the Ambassador class has. then Sovereign hullmaterial called ... To all Starfleet ships, the same phaser arrays of the same size (Best of the Ambassador) and there the corresponding red marks at the beginning and the end of the array. Unfortunately, my English is very bad, so I know not exactly what you call this semi-circular marks ...
    The torpedo launchers and Captain Yacht Bay is much too flat. Which is actually a lot more out of the saucer section.

    This is the Sovereign as it should be ...
    http://images.wikia.com/stexpanded/images/0/0d/Sovereign_Class.jpg

    And this is what we get in STO ...
    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6379yFXYU1r2p378o1_1280.jpg

    That can not be their seriousness...

    What would you guys think about to start a petition and thus approaching to DStahl?
  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    trekkerchick wrote: »
    I would pay to unlock remasters of the old starships. Especially the Intrepid, Nova, Nebula and Galaxy.
    You hear me, Cryptic? *rattles purse* I would pay!

    Me too.

    High priority:

    - Olympic (it was done almost completely wrong)
    - Sovereign
    - Negh'Var (lacks many many details, I hope those come with the next KDF-Zen-ship)
    - Constitution TMP-refit (c'mon... it looks like those engineers from NX-01 rebuilt it)
    - Galaxy/Nebula/Luna (could be worse, could also be one hell of a lot better)
    - Nova (The fleet-version didn't get an update on the main deflector, but it needs a better deflector. Badly.)
    - Better textures for klingon ships and altered models for D7 and bridges for non-klingon KDF-vessels. Where did the Gorn, Orions, Nausicaans and Letheans get the blueprints to excuse their own lazyness of interior ship-construction? And since when does anybody but klingons like blood-red, smokey places to sit and run a ship all day?
  • an672b1an672b1 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I see so many people here have a keen interest to have the ships on a consistent and appropriate level comparable to the Ambassador Class.


    The question that presents itself to us now is how do we persuade Cryptic / PWE to bring these changes to implement ...

    Any ideas?

    maybe a petition would be an idea
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    an672b1 wrote: »
    The question that presents itself to us now is how do we persuade Cryptic / PWE to bring these changes to implement ...

    Any ideas?

    maybe a petition would be an idea

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  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    an672b1 wrote: »
    I see so many people here have a keen interest to have the ships on a consistent and appropriate level comparable to the Ambassador Class.


    The question that presents itself to us now is how do we persuade Cryptic / PWE to bring these changes to implement ...

    Any ideas?

    maybe a petition would be an idea

    Crowd sourcing. Open an account and have fans donate towards it. If the ship gets built Cryptic gets the money. If not it goes to feed the hungry.

    Put that way it would be better to not make the ship, lol.
  • solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The Sovereign is old and decrepit. It has been replaced by the newer hotties, Odyssey and Avenger. What is it 40-50 years old, destined for the scrapyard for sure.:rolleyes:
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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It might be an oldie but it ages better than your girlfriend.

    Those "new and improved" ships look awful.
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  • solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I agree that's why they should allow a T5 REDACTED in the game.:eek:
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  • shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    solidneutronium wrote: »
    The Sovereign is old and decrepit. It has been replaced by the newer hotties, Odyssey and Avenger. What is it 40-50 years old, destined for the scrapyard for sure.:rolleyes:

    According to the TNG technical manual, the Galaxy-class was expected to have a service life of at least a century, if not more. The Sovereign was advanced enough to still be the Federation flagship as of 2408. Ships last a long time in Star Trek.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It did sort of annoy me that they went for the actual Enterprise-D CGI kitbash version of the Nebula-class, rather than the physical studio model. Not that it isn't a valid version to use, but I'd have preferred the latter.
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  • solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shaanithegreen wrote: »
    According to the TNG technical manual, the Galaxy-class was expected to have a service life of at least a century, if not more. The Sovereign was advanced enough to still be the Federation flagship as of 2408. Ships last a long time in Star Trek.
    Yes, but this Star Trek Online a totally different animal.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    amosov78 wrote: »
    It did sort of annoy me that they went for the actual Enterprise-D CGI kitbash version of the Nebula-class, rather than the physical studio model. Not that it isn't a valid version to use, but I'd have preferred the latter.

    The studio model is as much a kitbash as the CGI one.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    The studio model is as much a kitbash as the CGI one.

    And I didn't say it wasn't. I just preferred the thicker saucer rim, and different secondary hull/deflector array.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    amosov78 wrote: »
    And I didn't say it wasn't. I just preferred the thicker saucer rim, and different secondary hull/deflector array.

    Okay, it just seemed peculiar that you called the CGI model a kitbash specifically when both models are mutts.
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    kojirohellfire wrote: »
    Okay, it just seemed peculiar that you called the CGI model a kitbash specifically when both models are mutts.

    What I meant was that rather than use the studio model as reference for creating a completely new CGI model, Rob Bonchune was just given the existing "Generations" CGI Enterprise-D to construct the new CGI Nebula-class with.

    In doing so the CGI Nebula has features that now even more closely resemble its "parent" the Galaxy-class than before. The physical Nebula model, even though a kitbash of the Galaxy, still had areas which had been altered; such as the deflector array, general shape of the secondary hull, saucer rim thickness, and different looking RCS thrusters on the saucer, when generally compared to the Galaxy-class anyway.
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  • johnnymo1johnnymo1 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'd love to see the ships remastered so they look perfect.
  • ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'm all for this. Just because these are older models doesn't mean that people don't use them. I mean, when the Reagent came out many didn't like the appearance so just kept the Sovereign skin but with the better stats.

    For me, the worst offenders are as follows:
    - Galaxy-R
    - Intrepid
    - Akira
    - Nebula (more of a pet peeve - the stardrive section seems too "flat")

    These are more well know ships, but I'm in agreement that the golfball ships need a pass too as well as most of the canon stock KDF ships like the K'tinga and the Negh'var.

    Looking past even the issue with poor quality ship models I think there are a lot of things in STO which need a pass over. Many people say they quite like the game but it looks poor quality in many areas which is a result of the rush to push the game out the door, where frankly it's been said many of the devs frankly didn't care about the game they just wanted it done.

    Redo DS9, it's awful... seriously. Considering it's still the busiest social zone for both factions it looks absolutely nothing like the one from the show. I know it got a very basic pass before the 2800 series but it's still a horrible mess. Where's Odo's old security office? Where's the infirmary? Why is Quark a different instance? It had a bar facing onto the promenade too!? Why do we board our ship from starship requisitions? It's no where near the docking ring! There are just SO many things wrong with it, I really don't understand how it was left to get so bad in the first place! We don't even need to have a full "circle" if you like, just give us this: http://pat.suwalski.net/film/st-stages/stages/stage17.png and have the turbolifts give options to go to the docking ring where we can do stuff from shipyards and board our ships. Also, no Defiant docked on the external model :P.

    Another thing, decide on a standard NPC uniform and run with it. I see NPC's in the default costume, Jupiter uniforms, first contact uniforms etc etc... it stinks of poor quality control and lack of direction within the dev team.
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  • trekkerchicktrekkerchick Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ufpterrell wrote: »
    - Nebula (more of a pet peeve - the stardrive section seems too "flat")

    And that the starboard nacelle has port-side navigation lights. That's driven me nuts since the Nebula was added....
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    At times the games don't get all the detailing right. Or some other glitches pop up. But at least you got good detailing on them. I can't complain too much on the looks. Unless its really horrible. So far, I have been impressed with what ships we have to use.
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  • an672b1an672b1 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    To me it'd be enough if at least the hullmarkings were applied to the Sovereign. She is the only ship (to my knowledge) that has no markings.

    This is surely not such a big effort... Or am I wrong here?

    I expect not equal a complete overhaul of the ship, but at least this detail but should be available. Finally, she is a Starfleet ship and should therefore bear the emblem of the Federation, right?
  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    an672b1 wrote: »
    To me it'd be enough if at least the hullmarkings were applied to the Sovereign. She is the only ship (to my knowledge) that has no markings.

    This is surely not such a big effort... Or am I wrong here?

    The Chimera-class also has no hull markings other than the ship name and registry.
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  • an672b1an672b1 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    @amosov78,

    true, but that does not mean that it's okay.
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