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Thanks for the Avenger!
ccarmichael07
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This is something I rarely do, but I felt it was in order.
This is a special thanks to the Devs for the Avenger class!
Finally, a mid-sized ship, built for combat, that has 2 nacelles instead of 4, and doesn't turn like a brick caught in a gravity well.
And it looks quite nice too!
And whoever decided that the nacelles should come with a "No Fin" option...you get the biggest thanks of all!
Keep up the good work, and thanks again!
C_Carmichael
This is a special thanks to the Devs for the Avenger class!
Finally, a mid-sized ship, built for combat, that has 2 nacelles instead of 4, and doesn't turn like a brick caught in a gravity well.
And it looks quite nice too!
And whoever decided that the nacelles should come with a "No Fin" option...you get the biggest thanks of all!
Keep up the good work, and thanks again!
C_Carmichael
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
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Yeah, I look at the Scimitar and immediately think "Arthas the Lich King" designed it.
Although, to be fair, Cryptic is not to blame for the Scimitar. Afterall, the design was made for Nemesis, so if anything, it's the movie that is to blame for the ugliness there.
I like that Cryptic decided to make a ship which wasnt the size of a whale (Odyssey), doesn't have 4 nacelles (Chimerea, pretty much every escort in STO) and doesn't shoot cotton balls and silly string in performance (Galaxy, Star Cruiser, etc).
For me, this was a pretty big release, and I couldn't be happier with the purchase.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Don't get me wrong, the Avenger is great, but the Boff layout is what the Gal X should be.
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Lol. Throwing a circle together with some rectangles (all canon fed designs with exception of defiant/shuttles afaik) is a better design than the Scimitar? Okay.
ROFLMAO - door wedge? Hadn't thought of it THAT way. To me it always looks like some sort of weird, mutant alien Catfish with overgrown fins... found my Defiant between two of them the other day and felt like a minnow between 2 catfish... kept wondering what sort of a fry up they might make? :P
On the UNFUNNY side it's nice to see that, with the Avenger, Cryptic has decided to scale down the ships to a more reasonable size! I'm sick of these floating cities. I've died in PVE events because I couldn't maneuver due to all the space going whales blocking my path! :mad:
- it is an ALIEN ship, not a Starfleet ship, the point with the Avenger being ugly is from a Federation Design viewpoint and that limitation doesn't apply to a "Reman" Ship.
- Scimitar is Canon -> was in a friggen Movie, that Movie alone makes it cool to many Fans, while the Avenger is just some random polygons Cryptic slammed together with, even worse a bunch of recycled set of one-fits-all Textures.
Not a bad thing, just a fact that for many players the TV ships are way cool (and the friggen reason they came here to play this game!!!) and Cryptic stuff... well its Cryptic stuff and kids that mod Bridge Commander or Star Trek Legacy can do more STAR TREK looking Ships than Cryptic usually comes up with (and with better textures too).
few random bad examples that nobody will like anyway but scream STAR TREK when i see them, while Cryptics stuff just doesn't do that for me:
- http://legacy.filefront.com/screenshots/File/118157/1
- http://legacy.filefront.com/screenshots/File/118379/1
- http://legacy.filefront.com/screenshots/File/118253/4
- the Scimitar is a John Eaves design...
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/the-scimitar-day-one-the-conception/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/dat-two-of-the-scimitar/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/scimitarthe-last-day/
how can one not get all giggity about that guys stuff and call himself a Star Trek Fan?
Also knowing all that background info adds realism to a Ship, i've seen it move and shoot in a Movie, i've seen a lot of the interior... add the background Info and you got a lot to imagine when you look at Cryptics polygons you see all that stuff that isn't really there.
But for a Ship like the Avenger, there is nothing like that. It's just a Cryptic made bunch of Polygons that feels lifeless... and i don't care if it can mount Dual Heavy Cannons or turn better than a Galaxy Class... i will still rather fly a Galaxy Class than that thing (ok... maybe not a Galaxy... Cryptic did everything they could to even make me hate the in-game Ship from lousy Ship-Visuals to horrible BOff layout etc. but Akira? Prometheus? oh yeah!).
Oh yea the Avenger is what the Galaxy X should of been with the only difference the Galaxy X has the Phaser Lance instead of the console Avenger has.
QFT!!!
Really, the thing that I like the most on the Avenger is that it's actually reasonably sized!!! When it was announced I expected some overgrown monstrocity, because let's face it, with her looks and all those weapon hardpoints it seemed like something that would be made rather large. Especially because after LoR we have seen nothing but enormous ships being released.
But the Avenger, she's nice. She's reasonably sized. I'm really a fan of the size of this ship, I feel it's like a cruiser version of the Voyager class. You get that mysterious/romantic/omnious feeling that when you're out exploring deep space in this thing you're not in the largest TRIBBLE in the galaxy, and whatever you encounter might be bigger, but you can still count on your ship.
Yeah. As usual, instead of working within the limitations of your faction, you lot get to steal a KDF concept. . .again. First the carriers, now the battlecruisers (and I doubt the Avenger will be the only one). If it weren't for the Romulans being in-game, you'd probably be getting battlecloaks next. Of course you're happy, you're getting something on a silver platter.
Of course Feddies 'thank Cryptic for the good work'. They're not being treated like refuse.
[Translation Matrix On]
Dear Cryptic,
Thank you for the latest P2W toy which I can show off to jealous Klink fans. Here is another 1000 Zen just for being so cool! :rolleyes:
- Judge Aaron Satie
Look, this is not a Fed vs. Klingon thing, so let's not make it one.
I was thanking the Devs more for the aesthetics of the ship, than it's concept. Yes, it's nice to have a cruiser which can actually perform, but the bigger issue for me was having a ship which wasn't the size of New York City AND the outlying boroughs, which has 2, and only 2 nacelles.
The Klingon vs. Fed thread, is somewhere else. But not here.
Oh, and for the record, I also have 2 Klingon characters I play. :rolleyes:
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
First: The neck. Not because its a split neck, but because it is too long and i think the ship would look much better without a neck. (saucer and Engineering hull directly connected.
Second: the pylons. the swept up version look completely misplaced, being too high and too far to the front. If they where a bit lower and more neutral it would look much better.
The leveld (fleet Version) pylons look much better but the general height of the ship makes this version look odd too.
These things make the ship look very comressed and misshaped and i must say plain ugly in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong, i am ok with it looking bulky. I used some parts of the Cochrane class (intrepid, remember? A science ship?
Althrough i have been literary waiting for years for a smal Cruiser/escort hybrid (which isn't too nimble too), i am not going to buy that ship.
Evne if it's everything i ever wanted in STO, but to be honest, i wouldn't even use it if i would get it for free.
Not because i wouldn think it would perform bad, not at all. I would just hate to look at this thing all the time.
My conclusion:
Thanks for the Avenger, but no thanks.:(
Off to the gulag for me ...
- Judge Aaron Satie
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For a faction of honorable warriors KDF sure are a bunch of babies.
Every time they introduce something for KDF they turn their nose up at it, they are better off making stuff for the 2 factions that appreciate it. When they added the KDF Academy uniform they even tried to bribe the Federation into subsidising it with the cross faction eye patch.
If Cryptic mailed every KDF player a Gold Bar inscribed with "Live Long and Prosper" they would complain that its not Platinum and that its a slap in the face that is doesn't have a Klingon saying on it.
You aren't treated like refuse, but you sure act like it.
Look does the Klingon faction get the ignored too much at times, yes, if you deny it your not being honest.
Do many players on these boards have anger issues and get over dramatic and nasty and act like Jerks especially with the devs, and people in the other faction, yes.
The Devs are people too, with pressures and responsiblities and limitations, and this is only a game. Federation players need to be more understanding of KDF players, there is stuff that doesn't worworl rightand needs to be fix and thier are holes in the ships line up for the KDF.
KDF needs to understand the devs aren't gods, they have to answer for thier time to Perfect World for thier time, and Perfect World answers to Share Holders. Example, for the KDF to get the full 51 level experience people had to work over time and make sacrifices for it, and they did it, because they love the KDF faction, it doesn't always feel like it, but its because they aren't free to do what they want.
And the Devs need to make creating a kick starter like system a priority, because it would solve a ton of problems. Its would allow the KDF to prove various ships and the like will be profitable, which will free you to make more KDF ships, this will make the faction more profitable, allowing you to make fitting KDF bugs more of a priority, this will apease the KDF players, who will stop complaining, which will mean they're not driving fed players nuts, so the feds will be happier, same with the Romulans. This leads to less stress for the Devs and more profits for perfect world.
This is what KDF players should be pushing for and priorizing over individual ships like the Kovort, because this will create long term change vs. Momentary benifit.
I wouldn't lump all KDF players into that, but I do agree with your main point.
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Quit perpetuating lies and nonsense. We don't turn up our nose at everything offered. We like our Fleet ships and buy them en masse. We buy GOOD ships that haven't been nerfed so that the Feddies don't have as much to whine about when we blow 'em up with said ships.
Heaven forfend we choose not to throw our money away at the nerfed Bortas'qu, right? You guys just take that and run with it all the time.
To each his own, I guess. I don't see a problem with the way it looks.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
What tends to stick in the KDF players throats most is that not two weeks ago in a dev blog Cryptic came out and said that there would be no new KDF ship this year because all dev resources are tied into season 8.
Two weeks later the federation get a better battlecruiser than what is available to the KDF seemingly out of nowhere. Is it really any wonder why we are getting a tad pissed off?
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=985761
Go read for yourself if you doubt me.