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Rommie Sci in a Temporal Destroyer
hereticknight085
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So I am not very good with sci. I will admit it outright. My knowledge lies more with engi and tacticals. Probably cuz engi is easy mode and tacticals is pure dakka. But sci seems more subtle, more elegant. And yet I can't seem to master it, which is fine, since I have a kickass Reman Tac and an awesome Alien Engi to fall back on if I want to feel better about myself.
But that doesn't solve the problem of what to do with my Sci. Now logic dictates I re-roll it into an engi or tac, but I have already spent enough dil and ECs on that character that it will take a while to recover it. So I started looking around at what I was doing. I then figured out I was doing everything wrong. I was probably using the wrong ship, wrong skills, wrong everything for that character it seems. So I took a look at my friends and other players who used sci effectively. And I looked at their ships and their builds.
I can emulate much of it... to a point. I cannot use the Vesta (it's a Romulan character), which then left me looking at the Temporal ships. I always see scis in rather nasty temporal destroyers... so I decided eh, what the heck, see if I can give it a shot. What do you guys think? Would a sci in a temp destroyer be as epic as I think? Or would I be wasting 70 mil ecs?
Thoughts appreciated.
But that doesn't solve the problem of what to do with my Sci. Now logic dictates I re-roll it into an engi or tac, but I have already spent enough dil and ECs on that character that it will take a while to recover it. So I started looking around at what I was doing. I then figured out I was doing everything wrong. I was probably using the wrong ship, wrong skills, wrong everything for that character it seems. So I took a look at my friends and other players who used sci effectively. And I looked at their ships and their builds.
I can emulate much of it... to a point. I cannot use the Vesta (it's a Romulan character), which then left me looking at the Temporal ships. I always see scis in rather nasty temporal destroyers... so I decided eh, what the heck, see if I can give it a shot. What do you guys think? Would a sci in a temp destroyer be as epic as I think? Or would I be wasting 70 mil ecs?
Thoughts appreciated.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. 
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The Ha'nom series of Warbirds for the Romulans? Yes, I know it's not the 15+ turn rate that people cannot seem to live without. But as a Science vessel, it's a full fledged, dedicated one with Cmdr & LtCdr stations, with 4 SCI console slots (5 for fleet). The 10 turn rate is quite livable, equal to the Vor'Cha turn rate. Come out of cloak and use your SCI abilities so their damage is boosted even more.
If you want to try the Ha'nom, the Mirror Ha'nom is ridiculously cheap on the exchange. Give it a whirl if you want a Romulan Warbird that's truly dedicated for SCI.
Or if you want an Escort with a TAC flavor, the Dhelan series will go quite good with your SCI captain. Full fledged Escort, similar to the Fed MVAE in BOFF & Console layouts. If you really want to put some teeth into your Sensor Scan, boost it with the SCI Consoles to make some nastier resist debuffs.
Now, as for the Temporal ships, yes, they're good but expensive. However, they have no cloaks at all, not even the standard version. They give quite a bit of flexibility and ease of movement, but for a Romulan / Reman character, you will be totally neglecting a huge chunk of what makes the Romulan subfaction overpowered... combat using cloaks.
I'm currently using a Mirror Ha'feh, I'm planning on getting a Dhelan Retro and I have the T'Varo (half geared) and the Ha'Nom with a drain build so I'm quite happy ATM.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
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If you're going for PVP, you can build great stealth detection, and perform those duties, cloaked. As a bonafide Science Vessel, it gets huge, huge boosts to detection with higher Aux Power. Use the Jem'Hadar or Romulan Prototype (not Reman) deflectors. The wiki page for the Romulan Prototype Deflector Mk XII does not list that it now has the same 2% stealth detection bonus as the Jem'Hadar Deflector Mk XII.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
2) The Fleet T'Varo will give you the same feeling without being so expensive. The enhanced battle cloak is a bonus (mostly useful for a science captain, but it is not game-changing), but the main difference is the cost.
3) For a completely different experience (if you have already flown a scientific on an escort or on a Vesta), try the Scimitar (not the 3-pack). Not better than the temporal destroyer or Fleet T'Varo, just different...
Already have the Scimitar. Already in it with my sci. But it's boring, since it's just like using my tac XD.
As for the other comments, I do have the Ha'nom, it just doesn't seem overly effective, which is why I was looking at other possibilities, mostly the Temporal Destroyer, because I have seen Sci Mobius's tearing things apart in both the PvE and PvP arenas.
But I also was seriously considering the Fleet Dhelan, because it is quite nimble, and it does have quite a lot of firepower AND utility... perhaps I will consider that instead of the Temporal Destroyer.
Any other thoughts?
I wouldn't claim to be an expert. I really only started playing when LOR launched. But I've spent a lot of time in that great ugly Ha'nom so...
The smaller and more maneuvrerable fed sci ships are much easier to pilot but I don't think the Ha'nom is less effective. Because of its ridiculous size I find in STFs that I need to keep my distance from the action otherwise I become an obstacle. That sort of takes photonic shockwave off the table. But otherwise it's functional.
Possibly it is as you say in your original post that you're just not familiar with playing a sci? In that case I wouldn't recommend blowing 70 million ec on the R'mor just yet.
The main difference with a sci ship is that you need to max power to aux for most abilities to be decent. That means low weapon and shield power.
My advice would be to start with energy siphon. Equip a bo with energy siphon 2 and 3. Equip some flow capacitor consoles to boost it. With max auxiliary power that will give you near perma high weapon and shield power too. Then you can play more or less like you would as an engi or tac.
In groups I usually either go with energy siphon or focus on gravity wells. They are particularly nasty if you have a blue or purple grav sci doff equipped to spawn extra wells. If using wells I usually equip transphasic torpedoes (unaffected by weapon power level) rather than beam weapons.
Drop a well, activate torpedo spread, fire a torpedo. In combination with other players firing beam weapons you'll annihilate enemy groups very quickly.
The T'Varo might be a better fit for a science captain (enhanced battle cloak), but these two ships are similar, in that they combine as you say a lot of firepower and five scientific skill slots, including a Lt-Cmd. For a tactical captain, I would recommend the Fleet Dhelan because of the 5th tactical console.