I'm farming for my black Mobius, otherwise I would be flying that ship of awesomeness, when you start doing 15k dps, loosing some maneuvering for more survival makes sense
Its totally worth it just for the all black 'avenger' skin, add omega engine and its the most badass looking ship in the game IMO. Hard points are all in the right place too. Loving the console in pvp. Definitely need the fleet version though as it really needs 3 turn consoles.
I have yet to see it. also the same could have been said for Regent and i hardly see that ship anymore. face it the ship is not worth the price.
I fly one, it's a fun ship, hate visual look of it so I changed it to the sovereign skin
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
I saw one in Ker'rat last night. Next to my FAHCR, it seemed sort of "puny." I mean, literally "physically" smaller than my Fleet Excelsior Retrofit. And the specs - especially shield mod and hull - aren't anything impressive. I'll be looking for Avengers to hunt in the Fed-on-Fed queues just to see if any of them get the better of me. I'm guessing they won't...
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The fleet version shield mod is 1.21 and the hull is perfectly adequate in the cruiser range. What are you smoking?
If an avenger gets roasted by an excel, the avenger captain was very very bad.
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The fleet version shield mod is 1.21 and the hull is perfectly adequate in the cruiser range. What are you smoking?
If an avenger gets roasted by an excel, the avenger captain was very very bad.
I'm pretty sure the shieldmod was nerfed prelaunch to 1.1. Though its not a big deal, I smashed a couple of well built assault cruisers last night no problem:-)
If you've already got the Assault Cruiser Refit- or its fleet version- then the Avenger isn't a significant upgrade. It handles a lot better, but has mostly the same damage potential.
I fly one, it's a fun ship, hate visual look of it so I changed it to the sovereign skin
the Bo layout is TRIBBLE. for the uni slot will be science anyway, and the console is TRIBBLE. the torp could be good. but the ship is not worth 2500Zen, the Zvenger also is not worth 2500 Zen
the Bo layout is TRIBBLE. for the uni slot will be science anyway, and the console is TRIBBLE. the torp could be good. but the ship is not worth 2500Zen, the Zvenger also is not worth 2500 Zen
I'm genuinely curious what you consider a "not TRIBBLE" boff seating for a DPS cruiser to be.
1: BO layout is absolutely fine.
2: Console is actually pretty damned nice.
3: You don't sound like you've actually flown it.
He can't fly it. It's not a Galaxy of some sort.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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If you've already got the Assault Cruiser Refit- or its fleet version- then the Avenger isn't a significant upgrade. It handles a lot better, but has mostly the same damage potential.
Except for the whole DHCs thing.....
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Pay no attention to the dates and titles under my name at the left! I am a Career Officer, Lifetime Sub since launch, was in the Beta. Having problems with my forum account.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
If they fixed the lance to actually hit more often, there would be a lot more people using it.
Are you really telling me that people don't fly this ship because of this? Wow i have lost faith in this community if this is true. I most times don't even remember to use it. I burn through ships to quickly to care. I may use it on a battle ship or stf complex but that's all.
Are you really telling me that people don't fly this ship because of this? Wow i have lost faith in this community if this is true. I most times don't even remember to use it. I burn through ships to quickly to care. I may use it on a battle ship or stf complex but that's all.
Most don't fly the Gal-X anymore because it is obsolete compared to many other ships out there. The lance is just a beam-overload clone, turn rate is poor even by cruiser standards, no fleet variant, etc...
I picked up both Avenger and its fleet variant last night. It definitely has the turn rate to support DHC's effectively, but the new command modes are what really give it a decisive advantage.
It all depends on what you want. How you want to use it, how you like the looks, etc. We all have tastes and differs from others. So play like how you want.
I plan on getting it. But it will be later.
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It all depends on what you want. How you want to use it, how you like the looks, etc. We all have tastes and differs from others. So play like how you want.
I plan on getting it. But it will be later.
Yeah I plan to see what happens in the next few months before grabbing just the fleet version for my main toon
But we have both Sovie and Excel , even queeze in Ambassador for tac orient cruiser captains. In the end this ships is not wanted. What is wanted is a better Galaxy. That has been stated on other thread. But ignored and we get this crappy looking ship that is again TOO expensive for what it does.
You're confusing what you want with what Cryptic wants. Keep in mind they would rather sell you a brand new, very spiffy yet very ugly ship in hopes the fed playerbase will buy it like crazy and get a repeat of the scimi financial bonanza. It'd be a lot harder to sell a remade/improved galaxy to the players, mainly because they would expect the old version to be improved and not have to buy a whole new ship.
You're confusing what you want with what Cryptic wants. Keep in mind they would rather sell you a brand new, very spiffy yet very ugly ship in hopes the fed playerbase will buy it like crazy and get a repeat of the scimi financial bonanza. It'd be a lot harder to sell a remade/improved galaxy to the players, mainly because they would expect the old version to be improved and not have to buy a whole new ship.
It's called customer service. why would anyone want to by a new ship if they TRIBBLE it up and never fix it. again my solution to fix Gal R would be simple and done in a day. the simple fact that the largest thread here is on the Galaxy problem shows the customers want that addressed
About the Galaxy, they can easily fix it. They did with the new Romulan ships. By adding a hanger. So if they wanted to. They can do something about it. However I guess for now they have other plans and projects on their table first. To me I wanted the tac station up 1 grade so I can have another weapon access. Same Tac as the Excelsior. Unlike most want the whole ship reworked.
Coffeemike:
I'm waiting due to since I don't buy ships soon as they come out. Each one has a lot of thought in it, and make sure its worth buying. Kinda like a car/truck. So I don't end up with something I don't want or don't use. And won't get my $'s worth out of it. Even now I'm seeing how I'm going to get my tac stations set up. Since my crew wasn't set up for a ship like this. Lastly I already have a ship in mind to buy. And this one will wait until I'm ready for another purchase.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
It's called customer service. why would anyone want to by a new ship if they TRIBBLE it up and never fix it. again my solution to fix Gal R would be simple and done in a day. the simple fact that the largest thread here is on the Galaxy problem shows the customers want that addressed
I just did a search on your name. You have over 200 posts that use the word Galaxy in them, and that doesn't include any posts where you were replying to someone else who was talking about the Galaxy but you didn't actually type Galaxy, or the posts were you abbreviated to Gal. When 1/4 or 1/2 of all your posts are about a single subject that borders on obsession - obsession to the point of no-longer being rational about a particular subject, IMO.
You're hating every other ship but the Galaxy-types isn't going to make the Galaxy-types better.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I personally think the Avenger is fugly as hell. That is of course subjective and doesn't change the fact that even though I find it ugly it's also now the best tactical cruiser you can get fedside. One thing I find a little disturbing about this ship is that, unlike the other fedcruisers, it doesn't have any noticeable sacrifice or weakness. The Fleet Assault Cruiser had poor maneuverability, at least when compared to the Excel with its high inertia and slightly better turn rate. The Excel had that somewhat useless ensign engineering station. Giving players a reason to pick one over the other. Do you want a little more tactical options or better maneuverability? The Avenger on the other hand has an awesome console layout, awesome weapon layout, awesome bridge officer layout, best turn rate and inertia rating of all the fedcruisers. I wish I liked the design because this ship is very good. Unfortunately, I can't play ships I don't like looking at and I don't like looking at this thing.
As for the title of the thread; Avenger Class - Worth it? Yes this ship is very good...devastating with the right build. Completely dominant over the other federation tactical cruisers. The Assault Cruiser and Excel are no longer the top two tactical cruisers. The Avenger is better in every single way.
But we have both Sovie and Excel , even queeze in Ambassador for tac orient cruiser captains. In the end this ships is not wanted. What is wanted is a better Galaxy. That has been stated on other thread. But ignored and we get this crappy looking ship that is again TOO expensive for what it does.
And yet its selling like crazy. I'm in the camp of balancing the ships we already have. But people like me are out numbered here. As long as players keep buying these c store only ships then you can forget about ship balance in this game. People always get mad when you call this game play to win. Yet the best ships in the game are where again?
I just did a search on your name. You have over 200 posts that use the word Galaxy in them, and that doesn't include any posts where you were replying to someone else who was talking about the Galaxy but you didn't actually type Galaxy, or the posts were you abbreviated to Gal. When 1/4 or 1/2 of all your posts are about a single subject that borders on obsession - obsession to the point of no-longer being rational about a particular subject, IMO.
You're hating every other ship but the Galaxy-types isn't going to make the Galaxy-types better.
I like Excel, Sovie (not Regent), Ambassador, Armitage, Vorcha, the KDF counter to Ambassador, Neghvar, Voquv and play them often. Heck my Premier ship for my main toon is the Free Sovie. It';s just that i normally comment on things dealing with the Gal because i feel she has been given the shaft in this game. and want her better. Also in some of those post I hit on those who think the Gal is the most powerful ship in cannon. I AM A TREKKIE and PROUD of it. Also not my greif with Avenger is looks and price with another arguement on the fact that many want trhe Galaxy to be redone. Do that before a new ship i say. AS well as better ship designers.
Are you really telling me that people don't fly this ship because of this? Wow i have lost faith in this community if this is true. I most times don't even remember to use it. I burn through ships to quickly to care. I may use it on a battle ship or stf complex but that's all.
The lance is the biggest active selling point on the ship. The DHC cannon doesn't work well for it, so most go beams or single cannons, like other cruisers. If it wasn't for the lance, it would be a slower turning Assault Cruiser that costs 2,500 Zen.
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I fly one, it's a fun ship, hate visual look of it so I changed it to the sovereign skin
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The fleet version shield mod is 1.21 and the hull is perfectly adequate in the cruiser range. What are you smoking?
If an avenger gets roasted by an excel, the avenger captain was very very bad.
Pay no attention to the dates and titles under my name at the left! I am a Career Officer, Lifetime Sub since launch, was in the Beta. Having problems with my forum account.
They dropped the shield modifier. 1.0 for regular, 1.1 for fleet. It still obsoletes every other Fed cruiser, just not by as much.
I'm pretty sure the shieldmod was nerfed prelaunch to 1.1. Though its not a big deal, I smashed a couple of well built assault cruisers last night no problem:-)
the Bo layout is TRIBBLE. for the uni slot will be science anyway, and the console is TRIBBLE. the torp could be good. but the ship is not worth 2500Zen, the Zvenger also is not worth 2500 Zen
I'm genuinely curious what you consider a "not TRIBBLE" boff seating for a DPS cruiser to be.
Pay no attention to the dates and titles under my name at the left! I am a Career Officer, Lifetime Sub since launch, was in the Beta. Having problems with my forum account.
Except for the whole DHCs thing.....
Pay no attention to the dates and titles under my name at the left! I am a Career Officer, Lifetime Sub since launch, was in the Beta. Having problems with my forum account.
Are you really telling me that people don't fly this ship because of this? Wow i have lost faith in this community if this is true. I most times don't even remember to use it. I burn through ships to quickly to care. I may use it on a battle ship or stf complex but that's all.
Regarding the Gal-X in the C-Store... to quote a certain famous Romulan:
"It's a FAAAAAKE..."
Most don't fly the Gal-X anymore because it is obsolete compared to many other ships out there. The lance is just a beam-overload clone, turn rate is poor even by cruiser standards, no fleet variant, etc...
I picked up both Avenger and its fleet variant last night. It definitely has the turn rate to support DHC's effectively, but the new command modes are what really give it a decisive advantage.
I plan on getting it. But it will be later.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Yeah I plan to see what happens in the next few months before grabbing just the fleet version for my main toon
You're confusing what you want with what Cryptic wants. Keep in mind they would rather sell you a brand new, very spiffy yet very ugly ship in hopes the fed playerbase will buy it like crazy and get a repeat of the scimi financial bonanza. It'd be a lot harder to sell a remade/improved galaxy to the players, mainly because they would expect the old version to be improved and not have to buy a whole new ship.
It's called customer service. why would anyone want to by a new ship if they TRIBBLE it up and never fix it. again my solution to fix Gal R would be simple and done in a day. the simple fact that the largest thread here is on the Galaxy problem shows the customers want that addressed
Coffeemike:
I'm waiting due to since I don't buy ships soon as they come out. Each one has a lot of thought in it, and make sure its worth buying. Kinda like a car/truck. So I don't end up with something I don't want or don't use. And won't get my $'s worth out of it. Even now I'm seeing how I'm going to get my tac stations set up. Since my crew wasn't set up for a ship like this. Lastly I already have a ship in mind to buy. And this one will wait until I'm ready for another purchase.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
You're hating every other ship but the Galaxy-types isn't going to make the Galaxy-types better.
As for the title of the thread; Avenger Class - Worth it? Yes this ship is very good...devastating with the right build. Completely dominant over the other federation tactical cruisers. The Assault Cruiser and Excel are no longer the top two tactical cruisers. The Avenger is better in every single way.
And yet its selling like crazy. I'm in the camp of balancing the ships we already have. But people like me are out numbered here. As long as players keep buying these c store only ships then you can forget about ship balance in this game. People always get mad when you call this game play to win. Yet the best ships in the game are where again?
I like Excel, Sovie (not Regent), Ambassador, Armitage, Vorcha, the KDF counter to Ambassador, Neghvar, Voquv and play them often. Heck my Premier ship for my main toon is the Free Sovie. It';s just that i normally comment on things dealing with the Gal because i feel she has been given the shaft in this game. and want her better. Also in some of those post I hit on those who think the Gal is the most powerful ship in cannon. I AM A TREKKIE and PROUD of it. Also not my greif with Avenger is looks and price with another arguement on the fact that many want trhe Galaxy to be redone. Do that before a new ship i say. AS well as better ship designers.
The lance is the biggest active selling point on the ship. The DHC cannon doesn't work well for it, so most go beams or single cannons, like other cruisers. If it wasn't for the lance, it would be a slower turning Assault Cruiser that costs 2,500 Zen.
if its a tac cruiser, then give it a cmdr tac.
I will take a SINGLE commander tac and the rest engineer/sci over the current boff layout.
here's what I hoped for...
cmdr. tac
lt. cmdr. eng
lt. eng
lt. sci
ens. eng.
now I may as well wait for fleet chimera to come out...
It's NOT a tac cruiser. It's a battle ship for engineers.