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jockey1979
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So, Feddies have 2 ships now with 5 / 3,
Rommies have 2 ships with 5 / 3,
What about the "aggressive" race, the "warriors", "warmongers", "vicious" Klingons?
You know, after all, "they" are the reason behind the war after all, so it only makes sense the aggressors have the aggressive ships right??
I mean, the "peaceful", "explorers" of Starfleet have 2 ships with that load out....
Oh darn, I forgot, KDF were only made to be ignored.... after all, it has not been ANOTHER 3 years yet has it
Rommies have 2 ships with 5 / 3,
What about the "aggressive" race, the "warriors", "warmongers", "vicious" Klingons?
You know, after all, "they" are the reason behind the war after all, so it only makes sense the aggressors have the aggressive ships right??
I mean, the "peaceful", "explorers" of Starfleet have 2 ships with that load out....
Oh darn, I forgot, KDF were only made to be ignored.... after all, it has not been ANOTHER 3 years yet has it
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The Kumari has a 5/2 one.
(yes, it does make a difference)
And the Romulans only have one ship with a comparable configuration: the Scimitar line.
The KDF will more than likely get theirs soon enough. Talks of a refit Negh'var and a Ferasan escort have been floating around for quite some time. These new ship types are probably gonna increase the chances of a KDF equivalent showing up sooner rather than later.
Also, the KDF is still incredibly aggressive: just look at the sheer numbers of battlecruisers and flight deck cruisers they have available to them.
it would also be nice if the KDF got the first broadsider ship mentioned, to make them first in line for a new gameplay type.
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I have my doubts that the Negh'Var is going to be the 5/3 weapon ship (if we get one). If it is a Negh'Var variant that's coming out it will probably have the exact stats of the fleet version (-10% hull and shields), a gimmick console, and give a discount on the fleet version. If they make a 5/3 weapon ship for KDF (if) it will probably be a ship that's not in-game. (My hope is on the K'vort.) The Ferasan ship will likely be an escort carrier (again, if they make one).
As for battlecruisers, power creap hasn't been treating them well, and they are showing serious signs of age. And BoPs have been all but completely left behind.
As for flight deck cruisers, you have me there.
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I don't get why people want Broadsider ships...you broadside with beams and if you're talking cannons they're bound to be awkward to use broadsiding.
Talk, thats all the KDF seem to get, "talks"
I'm not one for moaning, been here since beta and had the odd grumble in other threads (never started a thread with a grumble), but even I have my limits.
The only real content KDF have had was hidden behind the release of the Romulans - so it got no press, no real advertising and due to being hidden away information didn't really gain many new KDF players
Few other things have wound me up, like the T'vario Vs B'rel. In essence, the same ship - apart from the Rommie version had more hull, more shields, more BO slots AND the enhanced battle cloak..... with the final insult being, the Fleet B'rel is Tier 5, the Fleet T'vario is Tier 1 !!!!!!!!! - the BETTER SHIP, is a LOWER TIER !!!!! :mad:
Everything the KDF "HAD" that made them different and fun, gone... either the Feddies got it or the Devs took the sly route and gave it the Romulans (who can Fed align - aka, FEDDIES STILL BLOODY GOT IT).
They need to merge all the factions in to 1 so anyone can use anything (and PvP becomes a "war games simulator") as all this unfair treatment to Klingon fans is out of hand now
I think what they want for broadsiding is to put 4 beam arrays on each side, then be able to use all 8 beams up front.
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A 5/3 raptor, perhaps.
Or, even, something based on a stolen Romulan cloak.
Thing is, a culture produces new ship types in one of two ways.
They innovate and invent the things themselves, or they employ excellent spies and make better copies.
Seems to me, that the Klingons are more the latter in some ways.
Most of their innovative tech, once you get past the admittedly awesome designs of Battle-cruisers and BoPs, is derived from conquering or treatying with other cultures.
I think its about time those Klingon boffins showed us what they were doing with all that tasty, tasty intel......
Spend more money then. When the KDF starts being more profitable than the Federation, you can have all the starships.
Spend money on what?
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They are after all raiders that are meant to hit fast, hard and bug out.
I mean seriously, yeah sure they have universal boff slots, but they have 1 less than other ships, have the weakest hulls and are handicapped with having 1x less aft weapons than other DPS oriented ships.
It would help if they had things to buy.
It's a vicious circle. No stuff to buy > no money coming in from KDF players > Cryptic don't bother allocating time and assets to make new stuff.
And round and round it goes. About the best they ever get these days is the odd few crumbs left over when a season hits. The hope is this time round the crumb is ship shaped.
This I could get behind.
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It's not about the money, it's about the population. When more people start playing KDF side, Cryptic will spend more developer resources on it.
How can people spend more money on Klingons when their is nothing new for Klingon players to spend money on?
It was a general comment - not just you, but everyone needs to put more love into the KDF. There are plenty of Fed-only and Rom-only players out there. More people need to play as the KDF. I mean, you get one KDF-restricted slot as a F2P member. Why not use it?
The point is that the KDF haven't gotten anything since the Bortasqu because unlike the Oddy, people didn't buy the Bortasqu in their droves. Cryptic, at the end of the day, is a business, and needs to make money. If they don't think that people will buy an item, why bother putting the time and effort into making it, when time and effort could be spent on making something that will sell.
It's cold, but that's the truth of it. Until more people play as the KDF and buy their C-Store ships and items, there's no reason for Cryptic to risk making something that potentially won't sell.
Probably would have helped if the Bortas and Bortasqu variants weren't such bad ships. (I know that's debatable.) Compared to the other ships in the lineup, they are just inferior. Hell, I would have bought the 3-pack if I hadn't been so thoroughly disapointed in the free Bortas. Swapped back into my free Vorcha after a month and been using it ever sense.
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Reason why a lot don't play Klingons is because they had been ignored a lot in the past. Klingons need a lot of love to get more people to play them. When a faction is not taken care of you won't have a lot that will play them. "If you built it they will come."
They put time and effort on new Klingon missions with LoR. They have added some new lower tier ships with LoR that most won't buy because they are not end game ships.
They have made Kamarag Battlecruiser Retrofit as a anniversary ship that people could of gotten from doing a mission in the past.
Their is no reason to not make a new good end game C-Store Klingon ship. Ignoring a faction and its players is not good business. It causes those players to be disgruntled. I am disgruntled because of the lack of Klingons being taken care of and as such I would never recommend this game to anyone and I would even warn people away.
I did buy it... went back to my other ships.
As for the "spend more money", if there was something worth while to spend on I would... oh and I would have spent more if it were not for Cryptic giving our toys to the crying feddies - hence I stopped spending. Why spend real money to be unique or different when Cryptic just undermine you.
So far, Cryptic and self entitled morons (see : "spend more money" person) have done NOTHING to encourage people to play KDF. No support, No advertising, Lack of updates or content and the few things that made them unique were taken away and given out.
Oh and a half arsed Romulan "faction" (lol, faction, good one).
I'm annoyed now.
Why would ANYONE spend real money on a KDF ship, when the Feddies can buy the same consoles from the exchange for EC ??? (and don't fool yourself, people buy ships for the consoles that come one them)
This exactly. You can not seriously with a straight face say hurr durr Klingons dont buy stuff when the last Tier 5 C store vessel added was 2 years ago (the Bortas).
As a long time KDF player tell me what or how exactly I am supposed to spend any money on the KDF when there is nothing to buy.
Don't get me wrong the LOR added content for the KDF was fantastic and it was a good first step and Cryptic should be commended for it.
It didn't help a great deal though , it was 2 years too late , there were no new ships added and hasn't been for two years to keep end game players interested and spending and the Romulans and Federation have basically everything that was once KDF unique available to them in some form.
Also the power creep doesn't help, the KDF is the only faction that doesn't have access to a 5/2 ship now in some form and the BOPs are hopelessly outclassed by the Romulan t'varo
Yep it is nice they finally did some stuff for the Klingon side but it still is not nearly enough.
They need to add more costumes for the C-Store. More good end game C-Store ships. Add some Klingon pets to the C-Store. Where is the Targ? I don't see it in the C-Store. Klingons need more uniqueness to them.
FOR THE LOVE OF STAR TREK SHOW THE KLINGONS SOME LOVE!
5/1 maybe. The original B'rel in ST3 was dramatically outgunned by the Enterprise. According to Memory Alpha, it had just the disruptor cannons and fore-and-aft torpedoes. The thing was basically an oversized starfighter, that in hit-and-run was nasty, but stand-up it was simply no match for the 18 phaser arrays and heavier shielding of a Constitution. Even Kurge, arguably the archetype of contemporary Klingons, recognized that.
Fast forward a century and modern BoPs fulfill the same role as fast-attack, raider, recon, and special operations. If anything a contemporary BoP should be even more specialized on the speed-and-stealth side of things, as the Empire has reintroduced Raptors into their fleet for the fast-firepower role. 5/2 would make total sense for a Raptor given Klingon tactics, mindset, and the absolute-firepower purpose of the class. But going that heavy on the BoP, a ship built for a different purpose, wouldn't be an efficient use of manufacturing resources and story-wise would probably cost the ship something else important. Gameplay wise, a 5/2 Raptor, with the kinds of costs the Kumari pays for such a layout, would be well balanced and a good addition to the game. A 5/2 BoP though, would almost completely invalidate the entire Raptor class and simply contribute to further power creep.
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just because it will tweak sooo many noses, I hope there is a K'VORT with the 5-3 configuration
yes! i said it! the dirty dirty word! K'VORT! K'VORT! K'VORT! K'VORT!
I agree, it's not good business. But the point I was trying to make was that in the past, they did build it. And comparitively, no-one came. Hence, they probably expected that support for more KDF ships was low and as such, is a low priority. I mean, honestly - you can't ask for a ship and when he deliver be all "TRIBBLE you, this isn't what we wanted, we're not buying this" and then expect that they're going to start serving new things up to you until you're satisifed or they run out of money. The world, sadly, does not work like that.
Obviously, the simple remedy to this entire thing is to copy-paste the stats from the Kumari, Avenger, Vesta etc, give them Klingon models and flog them to the KDF. Then both sides have exactly the same ships with no deviation at all, and everyone is happy. Or...not.
I am less than impressed with how the KDF have been treated. Don't get me wrong, more KDF ships is a must - hell, more KDF everything is a must. I am simply saying "this is why it is".
But you have bugs, and you have game balancing, and you have a new season on the way (which includes a new Fed tutorial - something the KDF got for LoR, need I remind you) and all of this takes time and money, and Cryptic's budget is not unlimited,
I get the whole "if you build it, they will come" argument. But I don't know that it'll work in this instance. Perhaps instead of throwing shiny things at the crowd, Cryptic needs to encourage more people to play as the KDF through other means - and then it might be a case of "if they come, it will be worth building".
I'm sorry, but saying "I wouldn't recommend this to a friend" is one of the ways that nothing will change. If you're not saying "Yo, try the Klingons" to people who haven't before, why do you expect that Cryptic will up and make a ship for which there is a niche market?
So we agree it is not good business with what they are doing.
I was not around when the game first started but I have heard things like the Klingon had first been a PvP type faction. Then when they started adding more after a wile but they still had so much less then the Federation side had. You needed a Federation character at a specific level before you could unlock Klingon characters. It is no wonder why the Klingon side had so few players. If it had been built properly and continued to get fair amount of support I do believe that their would be a good number of Klingon players.
Their are Klingon players in this game and those players want new end game ships. They have not added any new ones into the C-Store in my almost 1 year of playing this game. That is not right.
People can ask for new ships but if they suck compared to what is already out people wont buy them. Do what they do with the Federation and now Romulans add new ships that are little better then current ships and the players will buy them.
Building up the Klingons will get more people to play them thinking otherwise is well just stupid. Is it worth trying? IMO yes.
They could copy past a lot of stuff and it would be better then what we have now. Anything to improve the Klingon Fleetyards would be good but they are not even trying not even a half TRIBBLE try with copy paste stuff.
I know they don't have unlimited funding. They need to be better with what they do have.
I know it won't help but I can't honestly recommend this game to anyone I wish I could. Too many bugs that take a long time to get fixed. Not enough end game content. A important faction not getting enough attention. Only way for it to change is on their end.
It's not good business ethics. From a logical perspective, their business strategy is sound - people will buy Fed ships, so there's no risk. Thus, profit.
I would not call it good business in anyway. Alienating a group of players is not good business. How many customers are lost from leaving the game and how many are told by people they know about the mess of the game and don't even give it a try because of that?
I think everyone will love to see more kdf uniforms, bundle packs (why klingons dont have thier ds9 pack? ) and mayn other thinks.
pls pls devs, make seasond 9 kdf orinted so it will bring players to dark side of sto.