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blackward01
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There is no real need for a greed option in STO all items are BoE. You can sell anything to buy what you want later on the market.
You could just roll and give the loot to a random player in the group. In goups with difrent lvl players you can even scale to lvl.
You could just roll and give the loot to a random player in the group. In goups with difrent lvl players you can even scale to lvl.
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Honestly, in the middle of an engagement, I don't bother looking at what the item is. I just hit "Need" every time the question pops up.
Like a lot of people, I just hit NEED on everything without even looking at what the item is.
If I need it great, if I don't I just try to give it to a Fleet-mate.
No sense in hitting Greed any more unless you're in a Pre-Made (even then, most just hit need too, and just trade afterwards).
Don't see too many people hitting GREED anymore either, its either NEED or PASS.
To make it really perfect, make a drop lootable for everyone in the team, just that what drops for each person is a different random roll, and that you need to actually fly over and loot the item drop yourself. Kind of like how Diablo 3 handles loot, everyone has their own drops but you need to run over them and pick them up yourself instead of AFKing in the corner.
We'd feel very rewarded for things filling up the cargo hold, the whole team is rewarded for their efforts equally, we get the credits we need to fund our starbases, consumables and repairs, and in the end, everyone is happy.
Save the armchair doomsaying economist I suppose. :P
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Imagine: If a player is desperate for an item, then he or she should roll a Need. BUT, the player should choose wisely, because the next successive Need roll will be capped at a maximum roll score, less than that of the previous Need roll. Continued Need rolls will eventually cap at a low of 5. Greed rolls are already capped and will not lower with successive Greed rolls, but Passes will raise the cap placed on the maximum Need score, but not by much, so as to prevent abuse.
This is a terrible idea, you could never balance the different roles/classes/ship types.
The Escort will always do the most damage.
What about the Cruiser-captain who is tanking, drawing all the Fire so the escorts stay alive? He doesm't deal as much damage himself, but he's just a important. How would you measure his contribution?
What about the sic-captain? He's healing and buffing the teammates, debuffing enemies, controlling the battlefield with "gravity well" to draw all enemies to one place, so the escorts can hit them all at once with cannon-spread.
His own DPS is minimal, most of his skills will make the teammates more efficient.
How could you possibly measure that contribution?
It just can't be done.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Yeah--ctrl-Q. I'll worry about what I'll do with it later.
When honor mattered... where if you were planning on selling the item you would roll greed... if you needed the item for your build.. .you rolled need.
When everything went to queues, you ended up having to roll need in order to get anything... because there was always that one player with the mentality that "i NEED ec" common argument when this was raged about in forums of yeteryear.
Call me old school, I still only greed... nothing drops that I need for my build, and I earn plenty of EC in other ways.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
1. I don't have a problem getting EC.
2. NONE of the drops are ever things I will use on ANY of my ships and all they will do is fill up my inventory until I turn them into (not very much) EC some way or another.
It is worth noting, if any devs happen to see this thread, that the above two points are both why 'need or greed' is silly and also why crafting is pretty much dead with the only items that people are still really crafting being the aegis set, and those are usually crafted for other, newer players.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
STO does not use either of the above. Its need/greed/pass system was added purely because WoW did it, not because they actually sat down and thought about whether it fit the game. (just like STOs hamfisted attempt to get the Federation and Klingons to go to war, despite what happened on DS9, but thats another subject...)
Don't other MMOs bind an item to you if you need on it? That would solve any loot problem.
I don't know about a bind on need mechanic, definetly sounds like a good idea... perhaps Bind To Account on Need -- but it would also have to reduce its EC value to 0 to avoid the vendor sales. (i.e. they may not be able to sell it on the exchange if they choose need, but the would also need to not receive anything from a vendor (commonly referred to as vendor trash)).
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
If you disable the greed button, then you have the exact same function as if you disabled the "need" button. Whats the difference?
The problem with the need/greed/pass system is that people take the words literally. If you "need" something because you believe you can use it effectively for whatever reason, then so can everyone else on the team for whatever reason. Hence, the "need" button is a complete wash. This is not an MMO where only certain classes can use melee weapons or wear chainmail or whatever.