Reputation for Zen, there's MONEY ($$$) here, Cryptic!

lter

Proposal: 10.000 zen (or 5000 or 2000 or put here your suggestion) service item that automatically puts you in T5 in all reputations. FOR ALL YOUR ACCOUNT, DAMNIT!

Note: It'd still require you have unlocked it at least with one character in your account in the hard way.

Thank you.

ragestroke008

Nah, don't want STO to be a Pay to Win game.

flash525

ragestroke008 wrote: »

Nah, don't want STO to be a Pay to Win game.

In some respects, isn't it already?

I think the OP has a valid request. People don't have to purchase it, and all it does is max out your reputation levels; you've still got to grind for the equipment. 10k Zen though seems a bit much for three reputation systems...

stofsk

So your brilliant idea is to pay $100 to get Tier V rep.

Or grind dilithium to get 10,000 zen which at current exchange rate means you need over a million dilithium (1.26 million to be precise). At 8k refining per day, would take 157 days for a single toon, 78 days for two, 39 for four, and about 26 (or just under a month) for 6 toons. Each of those 6 would need to make the max per day, so that's playing a couple hours at least every day/night.

Or you can play the game normally and get to Tier V in the same amount of time and just do whatever rep mark mission gets you the 40-50 marks you need to put the two projects on 20hr timer.

Yeah... no. I have better things to spend my $100 on.

lter

STO already is Pay to Win, but this way we can choose the way we farm, not delayed with timers and daily braindead micromanagements for months just to play an alt! Im a f2player and I support 10k for all Rep unlocked. But I understand some people can find hard to farm 10k zens (which is actually easier and faster than achievieng all reputations t5 but meh...).

Anyway, P2W is money, money is for Cryptic, so thanks for supporting this proposal!

flash525 wrote: »

In some respects, isn't it already?

I think the OP has a valid request. People don't have to purchase it, and all it does is max out your reputation levels; you've still got to grind for the equipment. 10k Zen though seems a bit much for three reputation systems...

Wait a little more, more reputation TRIBBLE is comming!


Go for Account Wide Reputation unlock!

ragestroke008

At t5 you get 500 marks and 20k Dillithium, and also a bunch of credits (I think).

lter

And yeah, 10k Zens is too much in my hears too, but I'd say 100k zens if that serves in order to make us hear ($$$) by Cryptic/PWI in the first place. Then they just should add a middle therm between the greed and the already overpriced C-Store and that could be, dunno, 2500 zen per rep with a 5000 zen bundle?

And YES, you'd still have to grind for the unlockable equipment, but at least you'd be ready to have all the new unlockable skills and pew pew with new alts, new builds, etc (PVP-wise, if you don't pvp this proposal maybe dont affect you so much so keep moving). If you want, add the condition of having the unlocked reputations with a first character, then the $$$.

stofsk

lter wrote: »

But I understand some people can find hard to farm 10k zens (which is actually easier and faster than achievieng all reputations t5 but meh...).

How is it easier or faster? Let's table the $100 shortcut for now and look at how much dilithium you'd need to trade for zen. In order for it to be faster, you need 5 toons and they each have to hit the 8k daily cap. This isn't hard, mind you, but it does require playing a couple hours each day. Getting from 0 to 100k rep XP takes about 35 days. Five toons doing 8k refining per day can get the amount of dilithium necessary in 31 days to exchange for 10k zen.

For it to be easier, it has to take less time than doing a single mission that pays out 40-50 rep marks per day to put the projects on 20hr timer. For the same amount of time you play in order to grind out 8k dilithium per day per toon for 5 toons, you could play whatever rep mission pays out 40-50 marks with each toon. For nukara, that's one crystal catastophe NORMAL which can take 5-10 mins (elite would give you enough for two day's worth of projects, but could take longer to complete). For omega, that's one ISE, again 5-10 mins. For NewRoms, that's one tau dewa sector patrol daily. And if you do it during the bonus marks events, you obviously get more marks so less time spent grinding those missions.

Or you can go the hundred dollar shortcut. But I can think of way better stuff to spend $100 on than getting a shortcut like this.

EDIT To clarify, I am not a fan of the reputation system at all. I'm not defending the system or Cryptic. I'm simply trying to analyse your idea from a cost/benefit angle. If you would rather spend $100 to Cryptic in order to go to Tier V rep, then that's your business. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for something like this.

lter

stofsk wrote: »

How is it easier or faster? Let's table the $100 shortcut for now and look at how much dilithium you'd need to trade for zen. In order for it to be faster, you need 5 toons and they each have to hit the 8k daily cap. This isn't hard, mind you, but it does require playing a couple hours each day. Getting from 0 to 100k rep XP takes about 35 days. Five toons doing 8k refining per day can get the amount of dilithium necessary in 31 days to exchange for 10k zen.

For it to be easier, it has to take less time than doing a single mission that pays out 40-50 rep marks per day to put the projects on 20hr timer. For the same amount of time you play in order to grind out 8k dilithium per day per toon for 5 toons, you could play whatever rep mission pays out 40-50 marks with each toon. For nukara, that's one crystal catastophe NORMAL which can take 5-10 mins (elite would give you enough for two day's worth of projects, but could take longer to complete). For omega, that's one ISE, again 5-10 mins. For NewRoms, that's one tau dewa sector patrol daily. And if you do it during the bonus marks events, you obviously get more marks so less time spent grinding those missions.

Or you can go the hundred dollar shortcut. But I can think of way better stuff to spend $100 on than getting a shortcut like this.

EDIT To clarify, I am not a fan of the reputation system at all. I'm not defending the system or Cryptic. I'm simply trying to analyse your idea from a cost/benefit angle. If you would rather spend $100 to Cryptic in order to go to Tier V rep, then that's your business. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for something like this.

Dude you're right, what about a middle therm then, 50 bucks and you'll still have to do all that TRIBBLE, but without 20h delays? We're getting there, I can feel it! xD

vocmcp

lter wrote: »

Proposal: 10.000 zen service item that automatically puts you in T5 in all reputations. ?FOR ALL YOUR ACCOUNT, DAMNIT!

Thank you.

They won't be doing it for a simple reason: Once you're maxed out there's one incentive less to play the game. And given how the game is, grind is a much stronger incentive for most people than the actual content which is pretty scarce. In the end this would probably hurt their bottom line. Maybe not at 10k zen though.

khayuung

I'd pay 1500 Zen to max one Rep tree on one toon.

icsairguns

lter wrote: »

Proposal: 10.000 zen service item that automatically puts you in T5 in all reputations. ?FOR ALL YOUR ACCOUNT, DAMNIT!

Thank you.

Just sounds like yet another, I'm lazy and want it all NOW, hair brained Feddy Bear idea to me.

fraghul2000

Proposal: 10.000 zen service item that automatically puts you in T5 in all reputations. ?FOR ALL YOUR ACCOUNT, DAMNIT!

Thank you.

Never going to happen, especially not account-wide.

The 20-hour timegates are in place so people come back, log in day-by-day and repeat the same procedure with every new character they create.

They want people, especially those who spend real cash on Zen, to visit their game (aka their store) as often as possible. Instant-Reputation would defeat that purpose.

captainaramda

icsairguns wrote: »

Just sounds like yet another, I'm lazy and want it all NOW, hair brained Feddy Bear idea to me.

I completely agree. It seems that some are in a big hurry to get everything just for the sake of saying "I got it all". It doesn't work in Real Life like that, and it shouldn't here. Work for it like everyone else. Quit being in such a hurry and enjoy life (the game) for all it provides.

lter

Gearing up its long and hard enough without rep systems, those of you who accuse me of being lazy cause you enjoy putting your hypos and industrial replicators daily for months its cool for you, but as I said, this is a pvp-wise proposal, of course you dont need reputations skills to do stf's and such, you can do em naked (rep system was put here in the first place because some braindead players coulnd complete suposedly hard missions like infected ground...), but one good point of this game before reputation broke up was the variety of choice and builds you could play with in pvp, and it was already hard gearing up for that but that was part of any mmo farming, now reputation has completely broken that aspect of the game forcing you to spend month artificially in daily 20h delayed ridiculous reputations holdings.

rylanadionysis

lter wrote: »

Gearing up its long and hard enough without rep systems, those of you who accuse me of being lazy cause you enjoy putting your hypos and industrial replicators daily for months its cool for you, but as I said, this is a pvp-wise proposal, of course you dont need reputations skills to do stf's and such, you can do em naked (rep system was put here in the first place because some braindead players coulnd complete suposedly hard missions like infected ground...), but one good point of this game before reputation broke up was the variety of choice and builds you could play with in pvp, and it was already hard gearing up for that but that was part of any mmo farming, now reputation has completely broken that aspect of the game forcing you to spend month artificially in daily 20h delayed ridiculous reputations holdings.

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lol

PvP gear is almost universally Fleet/Lockbox/C-Store/Lobi

You can use rep gear, of course. I personally use 2-3 pieces of it on my ship but... the other 20 or so slots are all Fleet/Lobi/Cstore/lockbox stuff i either got off the exchange or did the grind for.

Granted ive dropped a little cash at times into zen (mostly to buy dilithium, since I always seem to be behind on that and have a plethora of the rest)

But 100 bucks to grant rep? lolno. I wouldnt pay it. Besides, the six 20 hour rep projects are 1440 dilithium a day while you grind. The marks and processors can also be turned in for dilithium. Hell you get like 300-500 neural processors grinding STFs to get enough omega marks to rep up... that is an awful lot of future dilithium in the bank.

>_> Besides, your posting format and delivery sounds like pure whine and cry.

Oh and one last thing, since you seem to think a PvE player is somehow worthless to the game, etc.. over 95 percent of MMO players never PvP. I do both, regularly. it took me five months to get the gear I needed for competitive PvP/efficient PvE/Accolade completion. During that time I learned how to play the game well. Why the hell are you so special that you need a shortcut?

Just saying.

jorantomalak

At first i thought the OP was kidding and thought ok funny joke so i read on and relised he was serious .

So i came to the conclusion he is drunk or maybe stood out in the sun WAY to long ..OR he is a just a lazy fed head. :rolleyes:

Well then that got me thinking about how many credit card heros that would spawn :mad:

The i had a horrifying thought what if cryptic and PWE read this thread and actually did it :eek:


BUT then i remebered that they dont read these things and do whatever they want to do not what we players want so this idea has enough means to float as the titanic.

Anyways goodluck with your hairbrained halfbaked idea

lter

rylanadionysis wrote: »

You can use rep gear, of course. I personally use 2-3 pieces of it on my ship but... the other 20 or so slots are all Fleet/Lobi/Cstore/lockbox stuff i either got off the exchange or did the grind for.

Granted ive dropped a little cash at times into zen (mostly to buy dilithium, since I always seem to be behind on that and have a plethora of the rest)

But 100 bucks to grant rep? lolno. I wouldnt pay it. Besides, the six 20 hour rep projects are 1440 dilithium a day while you grind. The marks and processors can also be turned in for dilithium. Hell you get like 300-500 neural processors grinding STFs to get enough omega marks to rep up... that is an awful lot of future dilithium in the bank.

>_> Besides, your posting format and delivery sounds like pure whine and cry.

Oh and one last thing, since you seem to think a PvE player is somehow worthless to the game, etc.. over 95 percent of MMO players never PvP. I do both, regularly. it took me five months to get the gear I needed for competitive PvP/efficient PvE/Accolade completion. During that time I learned how to play the game well. Why the hell are you so special that you need a shortcut?

Just saying.

I said rep gear should be still grinded. You do PvP? Well then let me tell you a little secret: reputation passive skills. There goes all your fail post.

jorantomalak wrote: »

At first i thought the OP was kidding and thought ok funny joke so i read on and relised he was serious .

So i came to the conclusion he is drunk or maybe stood out in the sun WAY to long ..OR he is a just a lazy fed head. :rolleyes:

Well I came to the conclusion that you try so hard to be any funny and witty in a game forum because your lack of self-esteem and attention derivated from a sad childhood.

lucho80

10,000 Zen for a months work of grinding? Too much. 1,000 would be an appropriate number.

rylanadionysis

lter wrote: »

I said rep gear should be still grinded. You do PvP? Well then let me tell you a little secret: reputation passive skills. There goes all your fail post.

Reputation passives amount to the following:

Romulan:
+3 crit OR +30 shield skill
A small critical reactive heal chance OR a placate/knockback
A very long CD sort of enhanced battle cloak that lasts for all of 8 seconds, oh it does increase sci stats as well. Still, 10 minute CD

Omega:
+30 weapons skill OR a small health regen
A slightly better shield regen rate OR shield bypass/borg remodulation
An AOE rez on a 10 minute CD

Nukara:
A little more shield bleedthrough (2.5% energy weapons only) OR a little more HP (5% and 7.5% space and ground, respectively)
Another reactive heal when crit on ground/a little more defensive stats based on aux power in space OR a little more cold damage as a proc on ground/a little more offense stats in space
A hysterically bad skill for PvP that does a sort of chain lightning affect that is extremely short ranged AND can backfire under certain circumstances, hitting your own team.


Whether ground or space, no matter if you stack the abilities, the rep system passives are absolutely tiny compared to the buffs from gear.

They are not game breaking by any means to not have tham, and in the case of Tier V nukara you should never be using it in PvP, period.

Quite frankly the lions share of what is actually useful in PvP out of them comes from Tier 2 and below.

The only "important" rep skill over tier 2 would be the space placate out of rom tier 4.

So seriously, youre ******** about something ridiculous. You get most of what you need out of the rep system for PvP ground in 3 days, and PvP space in 5 or 6. >_>

lter

rylanadionysis wrote: »

Reputation passives amount to the following:

Romulan:
+3 crit OR +30 shield skill
A small critical reactive heal chance OR a placate/knockback
A very long CD sort of enhanced battle cloak that lasts for all of 8 seconds, oh it does increase sci stats as well. Still, 10 minute CD

Omega:
+30 weapons skill OR a small health regen
A slightly better shield regen rate OR shield bypass/borg remodulation
An AOE rez on a 10 minute CD

Nukara:
A little more shield bleedthrough (2.5% energy weapons only) OR a little more HP (5% and 7.5% space and ground, respectively)
Another reactive heal when crit on ground/a little more defensive stats based on aux power in space OR a little more cold damage as a proc on ground/a little more offense stats in space
A hysterically bad skill for PvP that does a sort of chain lightning affect that is extremely short ranged AND can backfire under certain circumstances, hitting your own team.


Whether ground or space, no matter if you stack the abilities, the rep system passives are absolutely tiny compared to the buffs from gear.

They are not game breaking by any means to not have tham, and in the case of Tier V nukara you should never be using it in PvP, period.

Quite frankly the lions share of what is actually useful in PvP out of them comes from Tier 2 and below.

The only "important" rep skill over tier 2 would be the space placate out of rom tier 4.

So seriously, youre ******** about something ridiculous. You get most of what you need out of the rep system for PvP ground in 3 days, and PvP space in 5 or 6. >_>

Well ****, dont buy it. I wouldnt buy it myself, but at least I'd have the option to grind it freely, at my own rythm, not delayed. And the same TRIBBLE goes for fleet holding I guess, but thanksfully you can buy the fleet stuff in public service and there arent fleet passive skills (let's not talk louder, though).


And while im not a minmaxer neither, and I understand we're used to distinguish in this game between what's broken and what isnt, there are other things in the middle that are just important to have. I know lots of people discouraged like me, casual but competitive pvpers that can no longer think about creating alts.

shadowwraith77

icsairguns wrote: »

Just sounds like yet another, I'm lazy and want it all NOW, hair brained Feddy Bear idea to me.

Agreed, it takes me roughly 50days to grind all 3 reps to tier 5, what's their excuse?

darkjeff

I'd like to see Reputation Experience Boosts. We have experience/expertise boosts and DOff experience boosts (iirc), we should have Rep xp boosts too!

starkaos

I would be up for a C-Store item that unlocks Tier 5 reputation for every character if one character gets to Tier 5 the hard way, but that is it.

cgta1967

hey, LOTRO does it.... I'm sure this game will too soon.

an option to choose if you 'spend the dime or spend the time' is always OK IMO.



.... unless I'm broke...then I'll just nerd-rage over it.

dsaris

Meh... I gave up on rep shortly after LOR came out. Haven't done Nukara rep on any of my toons... haven't done any Rep on my KDF Rom.

Can't stand the grind, can live without the gear and the trait benefits are negligible at best.

All that said, if they would take the 20-hour cooldown off rep I'd gladly spend the resources to fill it all up just to have it done.

lter

starkaos wrote: »

I would be up for a C-Store item that unlocks Tier 5 reputation for every character if one character gets to Tier 5 the hard way, but that is it.

^This, basically

taylor1701d

I have been suggesting this on the ESD chat channel for some time now...and most people agree its a good idea, but with one stipulation...
You must have completed the Rep systems at least once, the regular way. With one character.
Then an option becomes available to all your other toons "Buy Rep Tiers for Zen" or Dilithium, whichever makes more sense.

This is the one reason I haven't even started on my romulan yet...thinking of doing the reps all over again, for the 4th time, makes me want to ....
*puts gun in mouth*

Meanwhile I'm sitting on the Legacy Pre Order pack worth $129.00...and am too time resricted to even get started on my Rom...
A shame really.....I'll eventually get to it...but still have a Tac Captain to finish off, and then an Engi Captain. Then maybe I'll be able to get started on my Rommy.

Then again, The Devs have said a new rep system will be introduced with the new season.
So I may be backlogged even more before moving on to my Lagacy Pack Rommy.

ricky1230

Is it a good idea to made mark shareable between character in the same account or made the rep item account bind instead of character bind

johnny111971

Cheeks in seats... its all about cheeks and seats... While I think its a nice idea... I don't think it will fly.

neonevangelion

OP:

Hell no. No more pay2win things on this game. We have already too much.

What we need is a review of the REP system, maybe with account-wide unlocks. And thats all.