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Xenophobic Human's Terra Prime to rise again?
eazzie
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After watching a rerun of ST Enterprise episode - Terra Prime gave me the idea that the Xenophobic human ideologist group Terra Prime could rise again.
With new alliances being between the Federation and Romulans, and the Klingons and Romulans. This is an ideal opportunity for Terra Prime to rise again. This time however the main Terra Prime protagonist is an Undine infiltrator.
I think this could be ideal for a new set of feature episodes, taking Captains from all factions to integrate in settings they would not usually go to. For example a Federation player, not allied to the Romulans be able to visit Qo-nos and the newly formed Romulan command.
I know and appreciate doing something like this would be way off until maybe 3 years plus. I do feel however there is scope for this to be explored.
And it might also give the chance to all those Romulan Captains who want Tovan off their ship , to have him killed LOL :rolleyes:
With new alliances being between the Federation and Romulans, and the Klingons and Romulans. This is an ideal opportunity for Terra Prime to rise again. This time however the main Terra Prime protagonist is an Undine infiltrator.
I think this could be ideal for a new set of feature episodes, taking Captains from all factions to integrate in settings they would not usually go to. For example a Federation player, not allied to the Romulans be able to visit Qo-nos and the newly formed Romulan command.
I know and appreciate doing something like this would be way off until maybe 3 years plus. I do feel however there is scope for this to be explored.
And it might also give the chance to all those Romulan Captains who want Tovan off their ship , to have him killed LOL :rolleyes:
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That is why I suggested an Undine infiltrator. I'm basing that on the lack of knowledge they had when Voyager came across the faximile of Starfleet in the Delta quadrant. Yes the Undine may of evolved in knowledge, but maybe not in fact.
if it don't have two arms two legs burn it
Terra Prime existed in Enterprise because of the period of uncertainty and the feeling by many that the Vulcans were holding humans back. Of course anything is possible for people who hold extreme viewpoints. Best you could hope for is perhaps a group that seeks to follow the ideals of Terra Prime to further their own particular agenda.
In all honesty you'd have more chance of a group like the Marquis rising again. Especially if you have some peace come about between Klingons and the Federation that leaves certain colonies on the wrong side of the fence.
As a sidenote Peter "Robocop" Weller stared as Terra Prime's leader in Enterprise and also as a Federation Admiral with his own agenda in Into Darkness. Timelines apart but talk about being typecast.
"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon, taH pagh, taH be"
I great truthful honest answer.Thank You. That is what coming up with suggestions are all about. If an idea in it's original state is not workable, between us come up with ways to make it workable. I like the idea of a Marquis uprising, because that could involve being seconded into Section 31 to track down eliminate and destroy.
It annoys me in some way ideas are dismised immediately by some. A player with an idea may not be able to express clearly in words, as it is in thought. The written word can be misread in many ways and it's true meaning may not be as understood.
Ok that's my deep and meaningful spout for the decade LOL.
Again though thanks for giving it thought.
1. Humans have been unified for over two hundred years with aliens, and have only benefitted from the arrangement, none of Terra Prime's predictions came true. Similar to going back on suffrage or emancipation. There are certainly people who want that, but to most of the world it's just been so long that the original arguments just sound silly and antiquated to us now.
2. Most people who might have fallen in for Terra Prime's stuff back before the Earth-Romulan war will now see the Federation surrounded by enemies (even if that's not entirely true, we're talking about a mindset like those Americans who think we should be waging a two front military campaign against everything and everybody thinking to come near the border), and Earth at the center of that surrounded by a nice, large buffer of allies. They'll recognize the stupidity of turning on that buffer of allies and leaving Earth surrounded by enemies who are surrounded by even bigger enemies.
Aliens and half-breed offspring are as common as seeing a chinese, natives, blacks, etc, etc. at this point in the timeline.
Sure with all the talk of adding Voyager themed assets into the game and most likely with that sections of the Delta Quadrant there are a few slim possibilities. The only way you'd really have something like this is if a ala Botany Bay cryogenic sleeper colony ship had a navigational failure and drifted to the Delta quadrant where the crew finally revived and managed to find a habitable world. Yeah then because of the outdated philosophy they might be xenophobic, but who cares it's not story/mission worthy, it's just filler.
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
The New Essentialists.
For those that don't feel like reading Memory Alpha, they were basically the social conservative/neocons of the Federation (and before anyone gets any ideas that I'm pulling politics into this, go watch "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." this is so blatant in the episode that it get uncomfortable to watch because of how obvious it is that they're meant to be that.).
However, they would fit in perfectly, pushing for a real-politick attitude instead of idealism in foreign affairs, and pushing for an even more militarized Federation and Starfleet.
Huh, doing some research over on Memory Beta reveals that they've been mentioned in STO tie in novels, so bringing them in would be easy enough.
Maquis could be a great way to go, could be a nice opertunity to introduce some exploration at the same time, If we get some more depth to exploring , then that leads well into a manhunt for a Terrorist leader i think
I could also see one of the Klingon Great houses going a bit rogue over the romulan allies perhaps, theres plenty of anger there to be tapped into
Now we all know Starfleet is highly tolerant of alien species and all members of the Federation have equal rights so its not really going to work. We know for a fact that some Starfleet officers may dislike a particular species but disliking one race is not xenophobia. You have to hate every single race that is not your own.
So how can a Terra Prime style idealogy come about? Well it can't on a large scale. However one isolated colony cut off from the Federation for a number of years and plagued by attacks from hostile aliens could possibly give you an excuse to throw all those good Starfleet moral teachings out of the window. Especially if the Colony leader has certain mental issues, instability and paranoia.
Of course then people would say "Well his people would never fall in line with that kind of thinking". This is true but its also Star Trek. So a drugged food or water supply, mind control devices or strange alien artifacts could all be useful tools to create the right scenario. Of course it would still be problematic since you don't want to upset canon lore.
The idea actually always seems to work best when you apply it to a society that isn't the Federation. I mean look what happened with the Iotians, they got their hands on a book and based an entire culture around it that wasn't their own. However the Iotians weren't especially Xenophobic. So lets look at someone else.
The planet Ekos whos culture got based on WW2 Germany because a well meaning historian felt it was the only way to ensure the planets survival from potential anarchy. Is there anyone more xenophobic than a fascist society?
So OP. Create the right scenario and you could probably run with this idea but not on Earth or in the majority of the Federation. Other cultures almost certainly, look at other Star Trek races for ideas. Cardassians to a degree, Tholians, Species 8472, Romulan Star Empire, Early Terran Mirror Empire even and of course others such as the Bajoran Alliance of Global Unity.
"You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon, taH pagh, taH be"
Actually, if I'm right about the Federation's nature as well as the nature of real terrorism, a small group might work and on Earth.
1.) Even though it is Earth, and Starfleet is headquartered here, if your band of Neo Terra Prima terrorist pick the just right way to fight, (not necessarily an easy task), targeting only Earth interests, then the rest of the Federation will be forced to back off, and declare it an internal matter. Technically, I'm not even certain space-born humans like Sulu would be able to help.
It has been fare too many years, but I think we saw something like this once in a Diane Duane book about Vulcan, though instead of terrorism, there was an internal conflict with a vote to seceed, if I remember right, because some Vulcans felt the Federation had weakened Vulcans. If I remember right, Enterprise was largely sidelined and had to let the situation play out.
2.) small band terrorism doesn't always go for the big, quick victory. It plays the long game, choosing several small victories, and constant manipulation of the media to weary their opponents, and raise the discontent among the citizens desiring a quick peace. It also uses the airwaves to explain and spread its ideology, recruiting new branches. It might even play the Robin Hood card, attempted to win opinions in the general public by occasionally presenting a friendlier demeanor, attempt to explain their position as reasonable, etc. It will also allow for concessions from its opponent, all the while intending to entrench within those concessions before demanding more.
Non-sequitor I'm sure, but NICE sig Neo lol
It was only an idea. The inspiration came from a single tv episode, and also the mission In LoR where at the conference the bombs need defusing, just before you choose to alliance yourself with. I felt it could be worked into STO somehow. Ok how I envisioned it hasn't come across in words on here, We all know how something is put into words can be read and interupted differently to how it is intended. Overall though with alliances being forged between Rom and Feds and Roms and Klingons there has to be opposition in the ranks somewhere, and so I felt this could be a good story arc to explore. I used Terra Prime because I felt that would be the most logical path, however there could be rogue Section 31 ops or the resurfacing of the Marqui that could be used.
I decided to share my idea with people because this forum is a great place to expand and develop initial ideas. From an initial idea, whether it be bad or good. I know there are other players who may see it's potentcial and can help and improve on it.
Specifically Klingons, yes. For all you know one of them mockers could be married with a Tellarite.
ST6 was all about the fear from peace with a long lasting enemy on bouth sides; Empire & Federation being all friendly and nice to each other would have been a bit silly under these circumstances.
I initially used Terra Prime as the main protagonist, but as the thread has developed you will see the story arec could be more plausable by having the rising up of a new Marqui or rogue Section 31 operatives.
To be honest Swction 31 has more or development scope in STO
Section 31 doesn't exist, anyone who thinks they are a part of section 31 has been lied too, they are being used by somebody with an agenda
Besides, you want to avoid using 31 too often, its a common mistake made in foundry missions , using them too much makes them seem too common place, and they certainly don't go around letting people know who they are
If section 31 is involved , you don't know about it, thats the way it should be done
I love your response. Thank you. I know how I envisioned my initial idea didn't come across on here as well as I had hoped. Thank you very much for giving it thought, and making what I can see as a potentcial storyline more of a feasable.
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