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The Fleet Negh'Var

stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
edited September 2013 in Klingon Discussion
I haven't seen too many threads focused around the Fleet Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser.

So, let's talk Negh'Var.

Anyone have builds they would like to share? Especially those regarding Aux2Bat.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The Fleet Neghvar accepts any build that the Vorcha, Fleet K'tinga, or Mirror Vorcha takes, as well as any build common to the Failaxy, Assault Cruiser, or Star Cruiser. You may also keep the original Failaxy layout if it amuses you. There's not really much that needs saying about it: It lacks any distinguishing characteristics that separate it from other related KDF battlecruisers, its only distinction being that it is capable of imitating all of them.
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  • ooiueooiue Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Here's one of DDIS's build's I'm aiming for on my Neghy:- http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6495821&postcount=106

    Great build, I'd suggest trying it :). I could never get a Negh'var build as optimised as I wanted. I always performed good in it, but my playstyle was more Tor'Kaht.

    Fleet Negh'var I'm going to get (once I round up the FM's to get it) and I am only using it on an Eng alt because I want to fly that ship specifically with that character. Negh'var is, in every possible way, superior to the Galaxy (in my opinion) simply because its a Klingon Battle Cruiser. So basically, if you decided to put a Galaxy build onto it, it'd perform a lot better in terms of DPS than Fed ship.
    doffingcomrade wrote: »
    its only distinction being that it is capable of imitating all of them.

    I'm pretty satisfied with that actually, the Negh'var should be the badass unkillable Battle Cruiser. It can't compare with the Tor'Kaht, but it still is capable of extremely effective damage.
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  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Hi there,

    My Gorn engineer currently flies a Ktinga retrofit in a build strongly influenced by DDIS's escort replacement Ktinga build. I enjoy it, but when I upgrade him to a fleet ship (i just did a different guy, but he's next), I plan on using a similar setup in a fleet Negh'var. Same thing, just bigger. :)

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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I looked at the Fleet K'Tinga and it seems like a great ship. My only concern is the abnormally low hull rating, which I feel is very important.
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  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    IIRC the napkin-math I did on the difference between the two ships, it boils down to the Negh'var getting +25% hull relative to the K'tinga, at the cost of 3 points of turn rate. I don't think you can really go wrong either way; just a matter of what you prefer.

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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    generator88 wrote: »
    IIRC the napkin-math I did on the difference between the two ships, it boils down to the Negh'var getting +25% hull relative to the K'tinga, at the cost of 3 points of turn rate. I don't think you can really go wrong either way; just a matter of what you prefer.

    Later on.

    "Napkin math"! Ha, love it! :)

    Nice summary. Negh'Var sounds better for me, since I'm probably going to be assuming a tanking role anyways.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    these area all good, fun ships. and can be made to turn very well, mid to high 30s with turn consoles. from the dil mine you can get extra armor from them now too.

    i should update all those older builds a bit. they are all a bit out of date since LoR
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    It's a KDF battlecruiser. I don't think it's possible to go wrong with it, and I think you'd have to try pretty hard to fail with one (as in you'd actually have to be trying to fail with it). Just saying.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    hereticknight085 wrote: »
    It's a KDF battlecruiser. I don't think it's possible to go wrong with it, and I think you'd have to try pretty hard to fail with one (as in you'd actually have to be trying to fail with it). Just saying.

    That is actually easier than you think. Just fly into and aggro the largest group of enemies, don't shoot back, and don't use you powers. :P

    In all seriousness, it is possible to die if you get caught with your pants down. It isn't too hard to stay alive in PvP as long as you don't get too cocky.
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2013
    The Negh'var is our semi adaptable cruiser.

    It can work as a beam boat, cannon cruiser, DHC ship, it can Aux2Bat it can Dragon (EPtW1x2, EPtS2x2) It can be the games fiercest looking heal boat.

    Good Hull, Good shields, out turns every federation cruiser, has a Cloak. It's everything I think of when I hear the words Klingon Cruiser.

    This ship is closer to what the Bortasq should have been.

    The difference is 600 hull and the Universal BOFFs and Consoles. But have a good look at the Bortasq it's closer to the Oddy than a Klingon Cruiser. It's got a very low Sci console set, but it doesn't turn like the Klingon Cruisers we're accustomed too, I'm thinking it should have been a 7 or 8 not a 5.5.

    The Bortasq is not the ship for me, others out there have made these things into monsters.

    The two reasons I wouldn't buy this ship at the moment is my Fleet Starbase is too low, and the rumours of a C-store Negh'var. Because the C-Store might add a Skin, weapon and console with the same BOFF layout much like the Regent did. Although I'm pretty sure the Regent came before the Fleet Assault.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    dknight0001 wrote: »
    The Negh'var is our semi adaptable cruiser.

    It can work as a beam boat, cannon cruiser, DHC ship, it can Aux2Bat it can Dragon (EPtW1x2, EPtS2x2) It can be the games fiercest looking heal boat.

    Good Hull, Good shields, out turns every federation cruiser, has a Cloak. It's everything I think of when I hear the words Klingon Cruiser.

    This ship is closer to what the Bortasq should have been.

    The difference is 600 hull and the Universal BOFFs and Consoles. But have a good look at the Bortasq it's closer to the Oddy than a Klingon Cruiser. It's got a very low Sci console set, but it doesn't turn like the Klingon Cruisers we're accustomed too, I'm thinking it should have been a 7 or 8 not a 5.5.

    The Bortasq is not the ship for me, others out there have made these things into monsters.

    The two reasons I wouldn't buy this ship at the moment is my Fleet Starbase is too low, and the rumours of a C-store Negh'var. Because the C-Store might add a Skin, weapon and console with the same BOFF layout much like the Regent did. Although I'm pretty sure the Regent came before the Fleet Assault.

    The C-Store Regent came before the starbase / fleet ship system was implemented, IIRC. I also remember player irritation that the released Regent was a weaker form of the Regent that was tested on Tribble... and the Tribble version ended up being sold separately from the Regent as the Fleet Sovereign that we know today.

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  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2013
    So the question is than what could the rumored C-store Negh'var be?

    Can't really change the BOFF layout from the Fleet variant, not much point giving us the same ship as the Free T5 version.

    If it's going to be a Fed style cruiser better off using the Marauder than the Negh'var. Could this mean a new T5 Cruiser and it's Fleet variant?
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    That is actually easier than you think. Just fly into and aggro the largest group of enemies, don't shoot back, and don't use you powers. :P

    As I said, you actually have to be TRYING to fail with one =P
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    dknight0001 wrote: »
    So the question is than what could the rumored C-store Negh'var be?

    Can't really change the BOFF layout from the Fleet variant, not much point giving us the same ship as the Free T5 version.

    If it's going to be a Fed style cruiser better off using the Marauder than the Negh'var. Could this mean a new T5 Cruiser and it's Fleet variant?

    Or maybe something in between the T5 and the Fleet varient. I hope that if they do release a C-store Negh'Var, it is named the Voodieh and has the cannon barrel from "All Good Things..." (TNG) and "Endgame" (VOY) along with the underslung rails (or pods) seen on both Regency 1 and in "Endgame" (VOY) Add to that, I would like to see it have a special Negh'Var/Qu'Daj/Voodeih universal console much like the other ships have.
  • lomax6996lomax6996 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I played around with the Negh'Var quite a bit on my old KDF Eng (now retired and enjoying the good life). I tried a number of different builds but finally went with a classic Beam Boat/Tank. The Negh'var can be made quite nimble and I found that using standard cruiser beam tactics it's better turn rate maximized the tankiness as I could keep moving, circling and weaving so that I was constantly coming around to broad side on one or the other side while spreading the defense more across all shields. I quite liked my Negh'Var... I think it's about time a rolled a new Klingon and earned another one... :D
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Never found a reason to use it myself, the Bortasqu and Fleet Torkaht are better for DPS, and the Fleet Corsair makes a better healer.
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    The C-Store Regent came before the starbase / fleet ship system was implemented, IIRC. I also remember player irritation that the released Regent was a weaker form of the Regent that was tested on Tribble... and the Tribble version ended up being sold separately from the Regent as the Fleet Sovereign that we know today.

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    The Regent was released Aug. 16 last year, after the start of Season 6. The Fleet Assault Cruiser was released at the end of November.

    Which means that yes, the Regent is a $20 ship with a $5 torpedo. :P (In that the extra $5 to justify it being at the price point of the Odyssey, Scimitar, et al. has to come from somewhere...)
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    At first I wanted to go Fleet Tor'khat for my eng, but now I'm getting keen on the Fleet Negh'var.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    dknight0001 wrote: »
    The two reasons I wouldn't buy this ship at the moment is my Fleet Starbase is too low, and the rumours of a C-store Negh'var. Because the C-Store might add a Skin, weapon and console with the same BOFF layout much like the Regent did. Although I'm pretty sure the Regent came before the Fleet Assault.
    What rumours have you heard?
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited September 2013
    stofsk wrote: »
    What rumours have you heard?

    This month or next month we're getting a new ship and that it's a Negh'var variant.

    And that's the last new ship we're getting for awhile...

    Additional Fleet ships not counting.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    dknight0001 wrote: »
    This month or next month we're getting a new ship and that it's a Negh'var variant.

    And that's the last new ship we're getting for awhile...

    Additional Fleet ships not counting.

    I really hope that rumour is true.
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Given the extremely poor credibility of all of the sources who have made this claim, and the continuing failure of even a single shred of supporting evidence to materialize, I would figure it as one of many not-trueities.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    To be fair, s8 will have a Voyager focus, and Negh'var variants were seen in Endgame.

    It's a stretch, but I Want To Believe
  • this1isavailablethis1isavailable Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The fleet negh is an ok aux2batt faw boat like the fleet k'tinga.
    It cant slot APO 1 like the cruisers you may (rarely) see in premade teams but it pays nothing for its 9 turn rate and normal cloak.

    I own all of the fleet battlecruiser and IMO it is the best for pvp dps (the fleet k'tinga is nice too but it's hull is really weak and a double tap BO proc will kill you).
  • ooiueooiue Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'm REALLY hoping that the new Negh'var will have the lower wing pylons. I like that variant of it :D
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    this1isavailable wrote: »
    I own all of the fleet battlecruiser and IMO it is the best for pvp dps (the fleet k'tinga is nice too but it's hull is really weak and a double tap BO proc will kill you).

    Tor'kaht. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW FEDDIES!!!!
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  • this1isavailablethis1isavailable Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    hereticknight085 wrote: »
    Tor'kaht. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW FEDDIES!!!!

    Highly overrated ship in pvp :) So sad i love its look...
    Works great against pugs though.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    this1isavailable wrote: »
    Highly overrated ship in pvp :)
    what's wrong with it?
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  • this1isavailablethis1isavailable Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    what's wrong with it?

    It doesn't have the punch of alpha cloakers nor their ability to escape, the maneuverability of DHCs escorts (which are not that great lately), too much tact slots for aux2batt+faw (it is doable but you lose either survivability or punch) and it is obviously not a healing boat.

    A pity because i love the look :( (again)
    If it had a lt. sci instead of the lt. tact it would be a beast.

    Well it's not bad but i cant find any advantage of it over other kdf ships.
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    stofsk wrote: »
    It's a stretch, but I Want To Believe
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