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Defera cool downs..

aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
edited August 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
can you please make the Defera hard mission CDs like 30 or 60 minutes..


they give the same fleet marks as other misions that have 30 minute CDs.

20 hours is a long time.. its pretty much a daily.. yes you can do them over and over and collect the rewards to turn in.. but it would get more pay with a 30/60 min cd.



also we need a fleet remodulator..
it kinda makes the fleet gear useless without an instant remodulator.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    These missions give more marks. If these CDs were very low then people would just afk farm Defera Probe constantly.
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  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited August 2013
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    These missions give more marks. If these CDs were very low then people would just afk farm Defera Probe constantly.

    you cant afk farm the hards... you have to be in a team and actually pick up the loot.



    and FYI.. people do afk the easy. this is why there is always a huge group of people standing next to the quest npc.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If they hadn't changed the Nukara hards to be queue missions, I wouldn't agree with this.

    However, since they have made those missions into queued ones, I think that would be fair at this point. More FMs are more FMs after all.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Just doing Defera Hard missions you easily can walk way with hundreds of Omega and Fleet Marks, having a cooldown of 1-hour would make it even more farmville for those griefer farm fleets that currently live there.

    No thx.
  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited August 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Just doing Defera Hard missions you easily can walk way with hundreds of Omega and Fleet Marks, having a cooldown of 1-hour would make it even more farmville for those griefer farm fleets that currently live there.

    No thx.

    if you just step back and think about what you said.

    if you run 3 space stfs.. witch take about 12 minutes each you get 100s omega marks.. yet those have a 60 minute cd.

    if you run CC, nuk ext and nuk int you get 100s of nukara marks.. and have a 30 min cd?

    if you run azure, ensnared and the two shuttle ones you get 100s of rom mark.. and have a 30 min cd.

    you can run fleet alert, starbase defense and blockaid.. and leave at the last wave and get 100s of FMs with ZERO cool downs..


    so i want to run GROUND missions.. and get the same amount of fleet marks i could do in space.. but i can only do it ONCE per day?

    last i saw, this isnt star trek online: space edition..

    i like ground.. but the only good ground missions give rewards ONCE per day..
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Okay then let's run through the numbers?

    It takes 20 Minutes to go through all those Defera Hards, to earn over 200 Fleet Marks and hundreds of omega marks. To earn that same reward, it would take roughly 3 Fleet Events, which would take an hour to complete. Then having to do 2-3 Elite STFs to earn that same number of Omega marks you just earned from those 20 minutes.

    So if we removed the 24 hour cooldown and made it 1 hour cooldown, that means you could farm Defera far more efficiently than doing Fleet and ESTFs combined. Because while you wait 1 hour, you could just easily jump in the Queues and do an additional farming.


    And that's why I disagreed.
  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited August 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Okay then let's run through the numbers?

    It takes 20 Minutes to go through all those Defera Hards, to earn over 200 Fleet Marks and hundreds of omega marks. To earn that same reward, it would take roughly 3 Fleet Events, which would take an hour to complete. Then having to do 2-3 Elite STFs to earn that same number of Omega marks you just earned from those 20 minutes.

    So if we removed the 24 hour cooldown and made it 1 hour cooldown, that means you could farm Defera far more efficiently than doing Fleet and ESTFs combined. Because while you wait 1 hour, you could just easily jump in the Queues and do an additional farming.


    And that's why I disagreed.

    each defera hard gets you only 60 fm and 10 om, so your 100s of each estimation is not correct.. thats only 180 FM plus 30 OM per 20 hours..
    the mediums have a 15 min CD already, its just the hards that have a really long CD.


    you can do 100x that in space events in that same 20 hour period.
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  • iceeaglexiceeaglex Member Posts: 375 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Yeah i don't agree or disagree, but azurian BOTH your reasons just got blown out of the water.
    Any more? Or do you now agree this is a good idea?
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    aarons9 wrote: »
    each defera hard gets you only 60 fm and 10 om, so your 100s of each estimation is not correct.. thats only 180 FM plus 30 OM per 20 hours..
    the mediums have a 15 min CD already, its just the hards that have a really long CD.


    you can do 100x that in space events in that same 20 hour period.

    Hmm 60 Fleet Marks + 10 Omega Marks x 4 Deferi Hards = 240 Fleet Marks, sure looks like "hundreds" to me. :rolleyes:


    What I said stands. By your own admission you earn 240 Fleet Marks plus 40 Omega Marks per hour (not counting the Event bonus), for 20 minutes of work. With the 1 hour cooldown for the Hard Defera Event, you could easily join the queues and earn another 200+ Fleet Marks and also join at least one Elite STF. Which earns you at least twice the earnings of those grinding away in the PvE Queues during the Bonus Event.

    Just admit it, you're trying to conn Cryptic for easy marks. :P



    But you never know, Cryptic might agree to lowering the cooldown to 1 hour. Of course the Defera Hards gets the Nukara Hard treatment and added to the PvE queue. ;)
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    But you never know, Cryptic might agree to lowering the cooldown to 1 hour. Of course the Defera Hards gets the Nukara Hard treatment and added to the PvE queue. ;)

    That's presuming that they would fix them to WORK in the first place.

    Let's be honest, there's a pretty good reason why a lot of people despise doing City. Hell, that's what usually makes it take 20 minutes in the first place.
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  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited August 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Hmm 60 Fleet Marks + 10 Omega Marks x 4 Deferi Hards = 240 Fleet Marks, sure looks like "hundreds" to me. :rolleyes:


    What I said stands. By your own admission you earn 240 Fleet Marks plus 40 Omega Marks per hour (not counting the Event bonus), for 20 minutes of work. With the 1 hour cooldown for the Hard Defera Event, you could easily join the queues and earn another 200+ Fleet Marks and also join at least one Elite STF. Which earns you at least twice the earnings of those grinding away in the PvE Queues during the Bonus Event.

    Just admit it, you're trying to conn Cryptic for easy marks. :P



    But you never know, Cryptic might agree to lowering the cooldown to 1 hour. Of course the Defera Hards gets the Nukara Hard treatment and added to the PvE queue. ;)

    i think you are still missing the point..
    you can chain STFs (there are 6 stfs) and get the same amount of OM and they have a 1 hr cd, NOT 20 HOURS..

    its not like there NOTHING that you can do to get 100s of OM..

    its just for some reason this ONE set missions has a 20 HOUR CD.. it should only be 30/60 min.


    not everyone has an entire day to play a mission wait out a CD and play it again..
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  • smilegcb2#3786 smilegcb2
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    edited August 2013
    hummm... We have 8 STF ... :) (Infected Space/Land ; Kithomer Space /Land ; cure Space/Land and Hive Space / Land)

    Defera stay a good area.

    But, is old area, we need to replace them in good way, and change the cooldown of hard mission...
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    aarons9 wrote: »
    i think you are still missing the point..
    you can chain STFs (there are 6 stfs) and get the same amount of OM and they have a 1 hr cd, NOT 20 HOURS..

    its not like there NOTHING that you can do to get 100s of OM..

    its just for some reason this ONE set missions has a 20 HOUR CD.. it should only be 30/60 min.


    not everyone has an entire day to play a mission wait out a CD and play it again..


    Then the only alternatives is them removing or reducing the Fleet Mark rewards and adjusting the Omega Mark rewards so they are equivalent to the STF rewards. That way there is no farming, but a pure option between Queued and Non-Queued.
  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited August 2013
    pascaldu76 wrote: »
    hummm... We have 8 STF ... :) (Infected Space/Land ; Kithomer Space /Land ; cure Space/Land and Hive Space / Land)

    Defera stay a good area.

    But, is old area, we need to replace them in good way, and change the cooldown of hard mission...

    ahh yes hive..

    ive never done the ground one and the space one does not feel like a stf.. feels more like a PVE mission against borg.

    i guess they are tho.. so yes 8 stfs..
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  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited August 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Then the only alternatives is them removing or reducing the Fleet Mark rewards and adjusting the Omega Mark rewards so they are equivalent to the STF rewards. That way there is no farming, but a pure option between Queued and Non-Queued.

    im still not understanding why everyone thinks the hard missions gives too many rewards.

    lets compare.

    Defera hard 60 FM and 10 OM.. 20 HR CD

    compare to eSTF, 95+ OM and 960 DIL. 60 min CD
    compare to CC, 40/50 NM or FM plus drops if you get 1st place they can be pretty good. 30 min CD

    compare to colony invasion, about 50 FM (30 plus bonus) 30 min CD

    compare to Nukara hard ext/int 35/50 NM.. they have a 30 min CD.

    there is no reason they cant put 60 min CD on defera hard missions.
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    pascaldu76 wrote: »
    But, is old area, we need to replace them in good way, and change the cooldown of hard mission...

    Please, no..

    Defera is just what Nukara was before PVE; a place to meet people or techniques, have fun and earning bunch of FM/OM on top of that.

    After the Nukara changed to PVE queues, well... It's no fun anymore; mostly AFK'ers or other people who just dont know how to create a decent ground setup or who refuse to listen when you give tips (whenever the map flood or to use the consoles).

    Defera has the tendency to bug, well yeah.. Just change zone and you're fine.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Leave it alone thanks. . Yes 20hrs meh too long but I detest getting my Fleet Marks any other way

    Space too long and boring to get same amount as these

    Ground well only two maps I know of and boring boring boring

    i like this the way it is thank
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  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited August 2013
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    Leave it alone thanks. . Yes 20hrs meh too long but I detest getting my Fleet Marks any other way

    Space too long and boring to get same amount as these

    Ground well only two maps I know of and boring boring boring

    i like this the way it is thank

    im just asking for the 20 hour hards to be reduced to 60 min
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    aarons9 wrote: »
    you cant afk farm the hards... you have to be in a team and actually pick up the loot.



    and FYI.. people do afk the easy. this is why there is always a huge group of people standing next to the quest npc.

    Actually, Probe requires you to kill a Gorn. That mission auto-completes if other people do it before you do in the zone.
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  • oneandonlyrecceoneandonlyrecce Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    Of course the Defera Hards gets the Nukara Hard treatment and added to the PvE queue. ;)

    I really hope that doesn't happen!!
    I used to enjoy going to Derfra and Nukara back-to-back. You were doing the mission with people who knew what they were doing and weren't AFK. The few times i've tried the Nukara queue i've been teamed with people who could get out of the box before the mission started or were surprised to find out respawning put them back in the box. And without the Hard Missions to take me there, I'm never going to do any of the easy or medium missions now.
  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Me, I'd love it if they removed the cooldown on the Temple Hard, even if they nerfed the rewards. I just loved the situation it put players in - there are far too few defensive ground missions in STO, and Nukara's version just doesn't feel the same. (mostly due to the EV suit... :P)

    Edit: Maybe we should get a ground version of the No Win Scenario? :P
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  • echodarksidedechodarksided Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I think Defera is fine as is. It's competitive with STFs without being better, or worse.

    I like that hards are a daily. If they weren't a daily, they would be spawn camped like crazy diminishing their value to the community.
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