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elandarksky
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Seeing as it was based off the DS9 ship, cloak and all..
Shouldn't it TECHNICALLY have a romulan cloak? The C-store ship is based off the defiant *potential spoiler* (the one that got crushed by the breen) *potential spoiler*
So shouldnt the defiants get a romulan batttle cloak, with come costs to the ship like power elevels or overuse causing something bad (e.g. 5% chance to fail and cause hull damage or somethign :P) ?
(Im not a person who argues for fed cloaks, normally i argue the opposite, but the thought went through my mind, and seems like its something that should have been considered
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Shouldn't it TECHNICALLY have a romulan cloak? The C-store ship is based off the defiant *potential spoiler* (the one that got crushed by the breen) *potential spoiler*
So shouldnt the defiants get a romulan batttle cloak, with come costs to the ship like power elevels or overuse causing something bad (e.g. 5% chance to fail and cause hull damage or somethign :P) ?
(Im not a person who argues for fed cloaks, normally i argue the opposite, but the thought went through my mind, and seems like its something that should have been considered
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Plus, who says the Roms gave the Feds their best cloak for the Defiant? They might have given them an old, outdated, cloak.
So really, the Defiant Retro should not have a cloaking device at all, but has it due to the "hero ship" factor.
A couple things though:
1. The Defiants now are mass-produced. Meaning that, even if the Romulans DID agree to give them all Romulan cloaks, they would have to give them in bulk. And that just isnt reasonable to expect, not just in a 'war time' environment, but especially from a small, building power like the Romulan Republic, they simply wouldn't have that many resources to build cloaks en masse.
2. It's just not efficient or safe to expect cloaks from elsewhere. When you want to build something in large amounts, you make sure and have ALL the parts needed for it. Cloaks built somewhere else need to be shipped, which takes time, which also means they could be waylaid. There are plenty of groups out there willing to take those cloaks either to sell and/or purely to disrupt the Federation's efforts.
Those two reasons are excellent reasons why it'd be Federation cloaks, because even if it started as a Romulan design, it would be changed and altered to be a very Federation one instead since it would be the best, and most easily integrated ones for their ships, thus by extension, it might lose out on a lot of it's 'Romulan' features.
This is hard to believe, as the Romulans cooperated with Starfleet and treated the Defiant's mission as a joint intelligence gathering operation. They had a vested interest in Defiant succeeding. They also sent over a Subcommander to oversee the cloak's use.
As an aside, I always wondered whatever happened to T'Rul. I wish the writers had done more with her character.
This is the same species that got aid from the Enterprise D and was all friendly and helpful while all the while secretly back-feeding energy to the Enterprise so that it would explode when it went to warp.
This would also allow a kdf doff that grants kinetic fire while cloaked, and a federation doff that grants intangibility while cloaked.
Personally i'm under the understanding that all cloak should operate as battle cloak seeing how that's how it worked in canon. There is a button i push to cloak, and it works when i push it, even if it's under red alert. With this train of thought the next obvious conclusion is that this is the future, we shouldn't be using old obsolete cloaks, but we should have new and advanced cloaks that reflect the update of the technology. To that end i suggest this:
KDF: new battle cloak allows torps and mines to be fired while new Advanced battle cloak allows for energy weapons to be fired at a much higher rate of energy use making them much less effective. Maybe twice or three times the energy consumption?
Feds: battle cloak is now the basic cloak(since that's how it is in canon)but is still limited to one ship per category:Cruiser=gal-x, escort=defiant, this would just leave an open slot for sci and small craft. If a carrier gets a cloak, it should only have a single hanger to help balance issues. As for the Federation Advanced Cloak, this would obviously be the intangibility cloak. You would have no collisions and be able to fly through objects. Mines and torps would have no effect, but anomalies like subspace effects, tykens rift and Gravity well would be two or three times as effective against you damage wise for balance reasons.
Romulans: Battle cloak is basic cloak(canon), But instead of an advanced cloak, they get something called cloaking field, which makes their cloak an AOE allowing them to cloak anything in a 7km distance like friendly ships or a small minefield. This would be an awesome ambush weapon/tactic. A secondary idea here is the cloaking beacon, which is the exact same thing, but places a stationary beacon of 10km and runs on the same cooldown as the turret satellites
I think only the B'Rel & T'Varo should be able to fire Torpedoes under cloak.
I think only the TER & Gal X should have cloaking options fed side.
Essentially upgrade Cloak to Battle Cloak and leave Enhanced Battle Cloak on the two ships who already have it.
For any Fed who wants stealth on his [Insert ship] try using Mask Energy Signature. You got a super short 10s cloak for the Romulan Rep finish, Using the Adapted MACO gives you a Long Range Mask Energy Signature.
Carriers shouldn't have Cloak, it is ridiculous to be able to launch your pets and turn invisible. I consider a Carrier to have 2 Hangers, If the Romulans get a version of the HEC or Vesta than that can have a Cloak but better be limited to Scorpions who cloak at the same time. Maybe set them to Recall mode automatically when cloaked.
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This... these are the Romulans I wish STO had.
That's irrelevant. For one thing, it's a completely different set of circumstances, namely the crew on that science vessel wanted to protect their experiments with phasecloaks. The Romulans have displayed a lot of treachery in TNG and DS9. Hell they attempted to blow up DS9 and the wormhole after they debriefed the crew over their activities in the Gamma Quadrant. I'm not saying that the Romulans aren't treacherous, I'm saying that your idea is silly because they had a vested interest in Defiant succeeding at its mission.
Cloaking works along the same lines as the deflector and the shields by putting up a field around the ship, the only engineering issue there would be power generation. If anything, by TNG, the federation already had a superior working cloak, they just didn't have the time to work out the bugs. Considering how much later this game takes place, it's easy to assume that any faction with a cloak would have a better basic version as well as a superior advanced version.
Memory Alpha has a brief bit under the apocrypha that states STO as no longer holding to the treaty, which makes the most sense seeing how we're at war, still dealing with new and old threats from others, and a quarter of D'Tan's flock are joining the Klingons against the federation. Why wouldn't they be out to make a better cloak? We should all be worried by the fact that it's been so many decades since the last movie, and all of our technology is still EXACTLY THE SAME!!!
We need to have updated versions of this stuff, even if it's locked behind Elite Fleet status, or a Federation/KDF rep system. We all should have more advanced technology by now, and hopefully have it in such a way that allows the game to balance out. If two different enemies are using cloak, the third would pick it up and run with it as well, especially if there were no moral objections to using it.