The Voth were shown as being incredibly religious and it was stated that this had held them back technologically on many occasions.
It's possible only a small number of Voth escaped earth, spent a very long time travelling to the Delta Quadrant. They may have crash landed on a planet and lost much of their technology. Imagine how long it would take several hundred Voth on a hostile planet to rebuild to technogical superioity. Then with their religion limiting everything and their isolationist attitude it seems semi plausible that they haven't conquered the galaxy and aren't massively technologically superioir enough to instakill the federation.
I haven't said that there is no way for it to be described (and btw. I know how fossilization works, thanks).
I said that the Story was on 'Threshold' level... maybe I should have clarified that I not only meant the Episode itself but the implied possibilities... Being either technological regression, which would be far to convenient for them to land at around the Feds level of tech, an absolute and complete stop of any and all progression at some point a couple of million years ago for whatever reason, yet another splintered faction that somehow had to resort to tech that is equal to the Federation or... having not enough scientists to advance them any further than Fed Tech despite having a 65 Million year time advantage...
Even for Star Trek this is too ridiculous! As ridiculous as Janeway and Paris turning into newts and having babies...
Don't get me wrong it wasn't all bad... I actually liked the premise of the Federation was the subject of research for... once? Can't remember any other episode other than the ENT one with the Organians at the moment, too late or that there were consequences of their journey shown for once (the gobbled up uniform from that poor bugger that got eaten by a sandworm in that cave back when the Kazon stranded them on that desert planet).
But I make a promise here and now!
IF the Story around the Voth actually works out in the game to my liking or in this case "working out" is enough...
I request, that the writer who is responsible for it mails me his/her address so I can send a handwritten Letter of appreciation to this person.
Edit: For Symetreus: It would be kind of plausible if it were "just" a few thousand years but not for Millions... it's the timespan that completely screws everything up...
Uhmm guys you're forgetting one thing: there was no mention in the Voyager episode that when the Voth left Earth they had warp drive, at least I don't remember them saying they had it. So if we start w/ the premise that they didn't have it, then we can safely say that it took them a long-long time to get to the Delta Quadrant, maybe had the luck to fall through a wormhole that sped up their travels, but it's quite feasable that it took them a lot of time to develop the technology we've seen in the Voyager episode and they did NOT have that when they left Earth. So the 65 million years doesn't that long if you count in these factors.
Regarding the Voth and their technology, I too would agree that they should be (in all intense purposes) the master power in the galaxy considering just how long they've been active. However, were we told the truth in Voyager? Did the Voth actually evolve on Earth, or were they abducted (in their Dinosaur form) and evolved elsewhere?
Secondly, the Federation, Klingon, Romulan (and other species) at one point in time would have lost entire fleets to the Borg. Now, thanks to a technology jump, no more than five ships are more than capable of taking out a Cube. Taking into account how many species the Borg have assimilated, and how powerful they are, we're still matching them on every level; same goes for the Undine, they should be wiping the floor with us, but we can put up a fight when needs be.
Per the Voth, they'll probably be the Borg of 359 in the sense that it'll take a fleet to take them down, especially that City Ship (I'm sure it'll show up somewhere along the line).
If we are to also discount the first paragraph of mine here, then we can theorize. Hopefully Devs have already got something planned, but who is to say that the Voth didn't struggle once they left Earth? They could have evolved, left, colonized another planet and then blasted back to the stone age by a superior power.
There's no telling how much struggle the Voth have had in order to get to their current state. They may have had multiple set backs that have held their advancements back significantly.
Just a thought.
Seeing as what Cryptic did with the LoR storyline though (it was superb and well written), I have faith in them to write the Voth content well.
Thank you for showing us some behind the scenes artwork. I really like seeing these, and still hanker after the days of tweet leaks.
Great concept art, you have some talented people working there. I can't wait to explore the new Dyson Sphere. The artwork shown looks quite different from anything else we have in game that I have seen, so it should add a new look and feel to the maps you make using these assets.
And there are a number of insanely ancient empires and species of immense power that've long since vanished or faded into the background by the time of Star Trek. The Iconians, the Tkon, several others. There are ancient machines of nearly god-like or magical power, capable of all manner of things. The Voth are presumably one of them, and rather isolationist at that, but powerful enough that those that know of them give them a wide berth.
I'm actually kind of hoping that the Voth as an antagonistic force will be less about us running in and shooting them up and more about us asking very, very politely for information about the Iconians and having to deal with a power far above our own. These are guys who can teleport a shielded starship vast distances without even breaking a sweat. Simply shooting them isn't going to do much besides TRIBBLE them off.
So somehow a mix of diplomacy and guile and muscle in there. After all, the Voth are older than the Iconians. They're one of the oldest civilizations in the galaxy, up there with the Preservers. It pays to be nice to them. Having them as an enemy is something neither the Federation nor the Empire can afford.
'Evolved Earth dinosaurs' in space was a 'jump the shark' concept. If the Omega particle didn't get you to cringe, the space dinos from Earth should have. Its a dumb concept. Whomever created the concept had cheapened "Star Trek" on some level.
Next time on "Star Trek: Voyager": Evolved Ninja Pandas from Earth in Space!
I don't see it... but even if... I don't care that much, I actually liked the Forerunner structures ^^
But you got me thinking... Maybe the Dysonsphere is/was the containment unit for the Iconians
And even if I still don't like the Voth... maybe the Voth foolishly opened it before everything started for whatever reason and we get to see the beginning as of how the Iconians got out, manipulating the Romulans, leading to the Hobus Incident and so forth, aggravating the Undine and sparking all those wars...
'Evolved Earth dinosaurs' in space was a 'jump the shark' concept. If the Omega particle didn't get you to cringe, the space dinos from Earth should have. Its a dumb concept. Whomever created the concept had cheapened "Star Trek" on some level.
Next time on "Star Trek: Voyager": Evolved Ninja Pandas from Earth in Space!
Its too cartoony.
RIIIIIIGHT because having Romans end up in space was soooo much less Cartoony
Omega was good because it showed that Star Fleet would get involed when it coems to Doomsday WMD....and less cringe worth then most things in the first season of TNG, and most stuff in TOS.
'Evolved Earth dinosaurs' in space was a 'jump the shark' concept. If the Omega particle didn't get you to cringe, the space dinos from Earth should have. Its a dumb concept. Whomever created the concept had cheapened "Star Trek" on some level.
Next time on "Star Trek: Voyager": Evolved Ninja Pandas from Earth in Space!
Also other shows did it too, just look at the Silurians from Doctor Who. It was just a matter of time before Star Trek tried to explore those ideas too. I guess we should remember that the Earth in Star Trek was never "our" Earth to begin with. At least I don't remember the Eugenic Wars between 1992 and 1996 and I am certain no part of my PC I had in 1996 ever came from a Chronowerx factory. So Star Trek (like all fictional shows) plays in a similar but different universe than ours, so for their world it might be possible to actually give rise to sapient dinosaurs. It wouldn't be the weirdest thing that ever happened in Star Trek. Remember the Xindi? 6 different but sapient species (one went extinct) originating from one world around the same time, far less plausible than many of millions of years old terrestrial dinosaurs developing methods to leave the Earth. And we don't even know if they actually did. Their doctrine told us otherwise, we were just let to believe it might have been wrong and that their terrestrial origin still was a possibility because of some indications. They might or might not have originally evolved on Earth, I guess it's up to the future of STO to explore the mystery about them even more.
Also other shows did it too, just look at the Silurians from Doctor Who. It was just a matter of time before Star Trek tried to explore those ideas too.
The whole storyline in The Chase also comes into play here. If early life on thousands of planets across the galaxy had been pre-programmed to produce a humanoid form and that programming was strong enough to "force" a humanoid form out of avian, reptilian, mammalian, insectoid, or marine animals as available, it's actually kind of implausible that it happened so quickly post-Cretaceous but not in the much longer preceding period without mass extinctions.
The Voth concept art looks great! Distant Origins was definitely one of the best Voyager episodes ever produced. I, personally, rank it among the best Trek episodes across all series. Really looking forward to seeing the stories you'll craft around this awesome terran species.
'Evolved Earth dinosaurs' in space was a 'jump the shark' concept. If the Omega particle didn't get you to cringe, the space dinos from Earth should have. Its a dumb concept. Whomever created the concept had cheapened "Star Trek" on some level.
Next time on "Star Trek: Voyager": Evolved Ninja Pandas from Earth in Space!
Its too cartoony.
What's so bad about the Omega Particle?
As far as the Voth are concerned: it's said that they have "20 million years of history and Doctrine" by their leader in the respective episode.
Of course, even this could be propaganda.
To answer why the Voth aren't the dominant power in the galaxy
= they hold themselves back, for example breaking the warp barrier was considered taboo for the longest time.
= ancient china initially sent out many exploration ships, more than likely if they continued that expansionist agenda, their influence would have been more concrete in the asian sphere and not just cultural. the modification of confucionism into the revived form of neo-confucionism made china at that time more centrally focussed if not introverted.
Doctrine, at times can cause drastic advances in technology and social standings, but in the case of the voth it held them back for a period of time.
Another reason they're not more dominant is that the galaxy is a LOT bigger than people realize, especially EU writers.
Take the old alpha/beta quadrant map that gets passed around a lot, with particular interest on the inset at the top right. That circle is 1500 light years across, and the entire Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians, even the "remote" Breen and Tholians don't even reach out to the 1,000 ly circle. Assuming that represents a cylinder through the entire galactic disk, that's 0.0000000000035% of the entire galaxy. Even adding what portion of Star Trek is outside that 1500 ly circle, all of Star Trek is a rounding error against the rest of the galaxy.
Even completely uninhibited by belief or doctrine and imbued with a new thirst for conquest, the Voth could not dominate on that scale. A thousand races just like them could be lurking in the galaxy and not even be aware of each other.
I will hate you forever if you turn one of the most interesting races we encounter into another cannon fodder villain of the week. I will hate you so, so much. At least have some of them be on our side. We need allies against the Iconians, we don't need more uber races to fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the forums allowed it, this post would be in all caps rage mode.. and I usually don't nerd rage.. but F*** This has the potential to just make me S O O O O O O M A D
I know this post was a few pages back however they may be hostile for a few missions but who knows maybe we ally with them in a huge mission against the iconions we don't know what will happen yet
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Didnt know much about the Voth as never seen the episode but find it strangely coincidental that I was reading of the myriad universe novels and in the Voyager section it actually has the Voth featured in the novel. Now considering how religious they are there could be any reason they return to us i.e a pilgrimage to the holy planet like there garden of eden and decide to take it back. who knows but think there planet ships could give us further STF missions
Love the idea of Dyson Sphere as well
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Now considering how religious they are there could be any reason they return to us i.e a pilgrimage to the holy planet like there garden of eden and decide to take it back.
If you think of the earth, it won't happen because the "distant origin theory" is against their doctrine. The believe to have been originated in the delta quadrant, so there wouldn't be a holy crusade against humans or earth. Still a nice concept though.
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It's possible only a small number of Voth escaped earth, spent a very long time travelling to the Delta Quadrant. They may have crash landed on a planet and lost much of their technology. Imagine how long it would take several hundred Voth on a hostile planet to rebuild to technogical superioity. Then with their religion limiting everything and their isolationist attitude it seems semi plausible that they haven't conquered the galaxy and aren't massively technologically superioir enough to instakill the federation.
I said that the Story was on 'Threshold' level... maybe I should have clarified that I not only meant the Episode itself but the implied possibilities... Being either technological regression, which would be far to convenient for them to land at around the Feds level of tech, an absolute and complete stop of any and all progression at some point a couple of million years ago for whatever reason, yet another splintered faction that somehow had to resort to tech that is equal to the Federation or... having not enough scientists to advance them any further than Fed Tech despite having a 65 Million year time advantage...
Even for Star Trek this is too ridiculous! As ridiculous as Janeway and Paris turning into newts and having babies...
Don't get me wrong it wasn't all bad... I actually liked the premise of the Federation was the subject of research for... once? Can't remember any other episode other than the ENT one with the Organians at the moment, too late or that there were consequences of their journey shown for once (the gobbled up uniform from that poor bugger that got eaten by a sandworm in that cave back when the Kazon stranded them on that desert planet).
But I make a promise here and now!
IF the Story around the Voth actually works out in the game to my liking or in this case "working out" is enough...
I request, that the writer who is responsible for it mails me his/her address so I can send a handwritten Letter of appreciation to this person.
Edit: For Symetreus: It would be kind of plausible if it were "just" a few thousand years but not for Millions... it's the timespan that completely screws everything up...
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Secondly, the Federation, Klingon, Romulan (and other species) at one point in time would have lost entire fleets to the Borg. Now, thanks to a technology jump, no more than five ships are more than capable of taking out a Cube. Taking into account how many species the Borg have assimilated, and how powerful they are, we're still matching them on every level; same goes for the Undine, they should be wiping the floor with us, but we can put up a fight when needs be.
Per the Voth, they'll probably be the Borg of 359 in the sense that it'll take a fleet to take them down, especially that City Ship (I'm sure it'll show up somewhere along the line).
If we are to also discount the first paragraph of mine here, then we can theorize. Hopefully Devs have already got something planned, but who is to say that the Voth didn't struggle once they left Earth? They could have evolved, left, colonized another planet and then blasted back to the stone age by a superior power.
There's no telling how much struggle the Voth have had in order to get to their current state. They may have had multiple set backs that have held their advancements back significantly.
Just a thought.
Seeing as what Cryptic did with the LoR storyline though (it was superb and well written), I have faith in them to write the Voth content well.
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Great concept art, you have some talented people working there. I can't wait to explore the new Dyson Sphere. The artwork shown looks quite different from anything else we have in game that I have seen, so it should add a new look and feel to the maps you make using these assets.
Thanks again.
And there are a number of insanely ancient empires and species of immense power that've long since vanished or faded into the background by the time of Star Trek. The Iconians, the Tkon, several others. There are ancient machines of nearly god-like or magical power, capable of all manner of things. The Voth are presumably one of them, and rather isolationist at that, but powerful enough that those that know of them give them a wide berth.
I'm actually kind of hoping that the Voth as an antagonistic force will be less about us running in and shooting them up and more about us asking very, very politely for information about the Iconians and having to deal with a power far above our own. These are guys who can teleport a shielded starship vast distances without even breaking a sweat. Simply shooting them isn't going to do much besides TRIBBLE them off.
So somehow a mix of diplomacy and guile and muscle in there. After all, the Voth are older than the Iconians. They're one of the oldest civilizations in the galaxy, up there with the Preservers. It pays to be nice to them. Having them as an enemy is something neither the Federation nor the Empire can afford.
Next time on "Star Trek: Voyager": Evolved Ninja Pandas from Earth in Space!
Its too cartoony.
BTW does some of the concept art remind anyone else of Forerunner tech from the Halo series?
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But you got me thinking... Maybe the Dysonsphere is/was the containment unit for the Iconians
And even if I still don't like the Voth... maybe the Voth foolishly opened it before everything started for whatever reason and we get to see the beginning as of how the Iconians got out, manipulating the Romulans, leading to the Hobus Incident and so forth, aggravating the Undine and sparking all those wars...
RIIIIIIGHT because having Romans end up in space was soooo much less Cartoony
Omega was good because it showed that Star Fleet would get involed when it coems to Doomsday WMD....and less cringe worth then most things in the first season of TNG, and most stuff in TOS.
Well, blame Dale Russell and his "Dinosauroid" thought experiment for the idea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Russell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosauroid#The_.22Dinosauroid.22
Also other shows did it too, just look at the Silurians from Doctor Who. It was just a matter of time before Star Trek tried to explore those ideas too. I guess we should remember that the Earth in Star Trek was never "our" Earth to begin with. At least I don't remember the Eugenic Wars between 1992 and 1996 and I am certain no part of my PC I had in 1996 ever came from a Chronowerx factory. So Star Trek (like all fictional shows) plays in a similar but different universe than ours, so for their world it might be possible to actually give rise to sapient dinosaurs. It wouldn't be the weirdest thing that ever happened in Star Trek. Remember the Xindi? 6 different but sapient species (one went extinct) originating from one world around the same time, far less plausible than many of millions of years old terrestrial dinosaurs developing methods to leave the Earth. And we don't even know if they actually did. Their doctrine told us otherwise, we were just let to believe it might have been wrong and that their terrestrial origin still was a possibility because of some indications. They might or might not have originally evolved on Earth, I guess it's up to the future of STO to explore the mystery about them even more.
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The whole storyline in The Chase also comes into play here. If early life on thousands of planets across the galaxy had been pre-programmed to produce a humanoid form and that programming was strong enough to "force" a humanoid form out of avian, reptilian, mammalian, insectoid, or marine animals as available, it's actually kind of implausible that it happened so quickly post-Cretaceous but not in the much longer preceding period without mass extinctions.
What's so bad about the Omega Particle?
As far as the Voth are concerned: it's said that they have "20 million years of history and Doctrine" by their leader in the respective episode.
Of course, even this could be propaganda.
= they hold themselves back, for example breaking the warp barrier was considered taboo for the longest time.
= ancient china initially sent out many exploration ships, more than likely if they continued that expansionist agenda, their influence would have been more concrete in the asian sphere and not just cultural. the modification of confucionism into the revived form of neo-confucionism made china at that time more centrally focussed if not introverted.
Doctrine, at times can cause drastic advances in technology and social standings, but in the case of the voth it held them back for a period of time.
I look forward to pew pewing with them.
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Take the old alpha/beta quadrant map that gets passed around a lot, with particular interest on the inset at the top right. That circle is 1500 light years across, and the entire Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians, even the "remote" Breen and Tholians don't even reach out to the 1,000 ly circle. Assuming that represents a cylinder through the entire galactic disk, that's 0.0000000000035% of the entire galaxy. Even adding what portion of Star Trek is outside that 1500 ly circle, all of Star Trek is a rounding error against the rest of the galaxy.
Even completely uninhibited by belief or doctrine and imbued with a new thirst for conquest, the Voth could not dominate on that scale. A thousand races just like them could be lurking in the galaxy and not even be aware of each other.
I know this post was a few pages back however they may be hostile for a few missions but who knows maybe we ally with them in a huge mission against the iconions we don't know what will happen yet
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Love the idea of Dyson Sphere as well
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Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
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If you think of the earth, it won't happen because the "distant origin theory" is against their doctrine. The believe to have been originated in the delta quadrant, so there wouldn't be a holy crusade against humans or earth. Still a nice concept though.