To be fair, Daniels did strongly imply that that specific future was the one he was trying to safeguard.
In "Carpenter Street" he also stated that the outcome of the Xindi conflict had not reached him yet. So he was from an alternate future himself.
*EDIT: there are also the conditions the galaxy was in at that time to be considered.
The Expanse had taken on gigantic forms whiel the one on the 22nd century had needed 1,000 years to be created. So it must have been the same expanse...the one Archer and his crew destroyed in the 22nd century.*
To be fair, Daniels did strongly imply that that specific future was the one he was trying to safeguard.
Daniels came from a future where there was originally no xindi attack. a future where the colonists did not die on the planet in season 1 and where the sphere builders were defeated in the now giant expanse of the 26th century.
all of that was changed. there was a xindi attack, the colonists did die, and with the expanse destroyed in the 22nd century it never grew to the 26th, so that future is changed.
its quite conceivable that the xindi were feared and hated because of their attack on earth, felt shame because of it and had no pressing desire to join the feds especially as they had no common enemy in the sphere builders and the expanse was no longer making their area of space unliveable for anyone.
In the semi-official maps that have been published, New Xindus is well inside Federation territory down near Gorn space (2-3 sector blocks south of Eta Eridani, around where Gamma Orionis would line up if it were contiguous).
Though the original Orion homeworld is even deeper in Federation space, so that doesn't necessarily mean they're members or even allies, only that the Federation has surrounded them.
its quite conceivable that the xindi were feared and hated because of their attack on earth, felt shame because of it and had no pressing desire to join the feds especially as they had no common enemy in the sphere builders and the expanse was no longer making their area of space unliveable for anyone.
In all fairness to the game, though, we do have Xindi Doffs, so there is some connection to the Fed, and I believe the KDF, at least in this version of Trek.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
In all fairness to the game, though, we do have Xindi Doffs, so there is some connection to the Fed, and I believe the KDF, at least in this version of Trek.
this is true, but then again we seem to have a doff from just about every species imaginable regardless of who they are with.
In all fairness to the game, though, we do have Xindi Doffs, so there is some connection to the Fed, and I believe the KDF, at least in this version of Trek.
The Xindi doffs are Fed-only. Of course, in the same set of ultra rares was the original Suliban doff, which was KDF-only, and now the Suliban seem to be loosely affiliated with New Romulus instead.
The Xindi doffs are Fed-only. Of course, in the same set of ultra rares was the original Suliban doff, which was KDF-only, and now the Suliban seem to be loosely affiliated with New Romulus instead.
Thanks! I don't use my Klingon enough to pay that much attention to the Doffs.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
In "Carpenter Street" he also stated that the outcome of the Xindi conflict had not reached him yet. So he was from an alternate future himself.
I see where you're coming from. Personally, given ENT's rather convoluted attempt to mashup a "fixed" timeline theory with a branching one, it's somewhat ambiguous.
*EDIT: there are also the conditions the galaxy was in at that time to be considered.
The Expanse had taken on gigantic forms whiel the one on the 22nd century had needed 1,000 years to be created. So it must have been the same expanse...the one Archer and his crew destroyed in the 22nd century.*
Not necessarily. We saw the sphere builders rapidly accelerate the expansion of the trans-dimentional soup as Enterprise tried to knock out the sphere concurrent with Archer's throwdown over earth. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they (sphere builders) couldn't rapidly re-create the Expanse given the right resources.
Not necessarily. We saw the sphere builders rapidly accelerate the expansion of the trans-dimentional soup as Enterprise tried to knock out the sphere concurrent with Archer's throwdown over earth. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they (sphere builders) couldn't rapidly re-create the Expanse given the right resources.
I'd quite like them to include the sphere builders, just because I've always wanted to shoot the arrogant buggers.
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Yeah shame isn't it? lol. Nevermind, "We've got stop the Tal Shiar!":D Also Tal Shiar, Ming the Merciless costumes are not the best fashion attire. How many of you would buy those in the store?
Therein lies a problem i referenced before - cryptic have said they'd never make faction specific ships lock-box, and since there's already Jem'Hadar & cardassian ships, they'd either have to ignore some of there most iconic designs, or just break their rules. Which, there's absolutely no reason why the couldn't, but moral fibre damn it!!
Completely agree. A faction that already has existing lockboxes is going to cause problems. If their best ships are already owned by Federation, Romulan and Klingon players, where is the incentive to make new ones? Of course Jem Hadar Attack Ships for everybody would be nice considering they still sell for 450-500 million EC. So please break your own rules Cryptic, pretty please.
Sorry got carried away. Cardassian, Dominion, Terran Empire, Tal Shiar. They aren't evil just misunderstood. Besides anyone who is truly evil never believes they're evil anyway. Its all a matter of perception.
Nothing larger than a sphere could be implemented with any semblance of balance and/or accuracy...
I don't actually want to see Borg playable spheres either. I was just considering the possibility of whether it would work or not. IMHO I don't feel it would.
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I always thought the Xindi would make a good next Expansion Pack. We have an enemy in the Builder, we could have a new zone with several planets, we could have different Xindi joining the Feds or KDF, we could have some Territory Control - PvP and PvE, etc. It seems like a good choice to me to add a bunch of new things.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Yeah shame isn't it? lol. Nevermind, "We've got stop the Tal Shiar!":D Also Tal Shiar, Ming the Merciless costumes are not the best fashion attire. How many of you would buy those in the store?
Completely agree. A faction that already has existing lockboxes is going to cause problems. If their best ships are already owned by Federation, Romulan and Klingon players, where is the incentive to make new ones? Of course Jem Hadar Attack Ships for everybody would be nice considering they still sell for 450-500 million EC. So please break your own rules Cryptic, pretty please.
Considering I've heard all 4 of the ships in question (JHAS, JHHEC, JHDC & Galor) being referred to as Over Powered - It could make for a fun End Game selection. Although what would they do with Spiral Wave? Would they ban cardassians from using their own weapons? Would they just enrage all the folk who've spent hundreds of thousands of dilthium on them? Either way, the people that Got the ships through Key spam or EC ground would be displeased
Sorry got carried away. Cardassian, Dominion, Terran Empire, Tal Shiar. They aren't evil just misunderstood. Besides anyone who is truly evil never believes they're evil anyway. Its all a matter of perception.
I don't actually want to see Borg playable spheres either. I was just considering the possibility of whether it would work or not. IMHO I don't feel it would.
I'm sure there is a way. I just haven't found anybody that can think of it :P
Short of introducing Asymmetric factions...
I always thought the Xindi would make a good next Expansion Pack. We have an enemy in the Builder, we could have a new zone with several planets, we could have different Xindi joining the Feds or KDF, we could have some Territory Control - PvP and PvE, etc. It seems like a good choice to me to add a bunch of new things.
I would like some kind of faction conflict that's worth something. I don't know if you ever played Chromehounds, but the multiplayer in that was a global 3 way war that reset once a faction won. I think they got through 2 before the servers shut down...
Unfortunately the PVP in STO isn't enjoyable or approachable enough to get sufficient interest
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I really like the idea of a neutral/independents faction, one that's more of a catch all.
It can encompass merchants/traders, mercenaries, and various other small and rogue groups.
There's been some dev talks about opening up the sector block to the "west" of sirius block, and that area would include Ferengenar. That would make the perfect starting place and headquarters for an independent faction.
Such a faction could include the Ferengi, the Yrridians, as well as many other small groups. Merchants in freighters, mercenaries (like the group that kidnapped Picard and Riker in TNG?), remnant sof the Marquis, and many more.
And they could easily be made to "choose sides" with the feds or KDF just like the romulan faction did.
Races could be those listed above, but could also incorporate existing races. So you could be a human, but not part of the federation (or starfleet) and possibly end up working with the klingons.
Well, there are a few strong possibilities, and more that are feasible but probably don't have the popularity.
Cardassians are a shoe-in, of course. They'd probably be easy to do since the Cardassian Empire was pretty much a one-race faction. For variety, maybe pull in one of the more mercenary races from the DS9 series. Not sure which others would fit. I would not advocate including any Dominion races.
Liberated Borg might happen simply because they're popular... but as mentioned, they'd be stepping on the toes of the LTS players a little bit if they do it.
I'd play a Ferengi, and so would a lot of other people. That would be an interesting faction.
I could easily see a non-Dominion Gamma Quadrant faction comprised of rebel Jem'Hadar and Vorta, maybe some other GQ races.
But I think it would be really, really interesting if Cryptic took a couple of lesser-known alien civilizations, maybe that they created for the game and developed them into rival empires. One could take the Fed side and the other could take the KDF side. Cryptic could pretty much do what they want if they develop their own story around something like that and built up interest by leading up to it in FE's. It would be their opportunity to make their own mark in the Trek universe.
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I really like the idea of a neutral/independents faction, one that's more of a catch all.
It can encompass merchants/traders, mercenaries, and various other small and rogue groups.
There's been some dev talks about opening up the sector block to the "west" of sirius block, and that area would include Ferengenar. That would make the perfect starting place and headquarters for an independent faction.
Such a faction could include the Ferengi, the Yrridians, as well as many other small groups. Merchants in freighters, mercenaries (like the group that kidnapped Picard and Riker in TNG?), remnant sof the Marquis, and many more.
And they could easily be made to "choose sides" with the feds or KDF just like the romulan faction did.
Races could be those listed above, but could also incorporate existing races. So you could be a human, but not part of the federation (or starfleet) and possibly end up working with the klingons.
Toss in a Boslic and I'm there!
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I see where you're coming from. Personally, given ENT's rather convoluted attempt to mashup a "fixed" timeline theory with a branching one, it's somewhat ambiguous.
Thanks. It's especially confusing when you take "Shockwave" into account...which was also written by Berman and Braga and that showed us the exact opposite effect.
Changes in the timeline were instant there.
The only thing I can come up with as a fanfic-rationalization as that the temporal agents built some kind of shield to "slow down" the effects of time-alterations to see if they should be "corrected"...maybe...
Not necessarily. We saw the sphere builders rapidly accelerate the expansion of the trans-dimentional soup as Enterprise tried to knock out the sphere concurrent with Archer's throwdown over earth. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they (sphere builders) couldn't rapidly re-create the Expanse given the right resources.
Well, I see two problems with this idea. One is the situation.
Appearently they could accellerate the growth rate to some degree, but the question is whether they could only do so due to the advenced degree of alteration already present in the target area. We know the interaction between the anomalies is what makes the whole darn thing grow faster. It's also not clear whether they could keep the sphere "on overdrive" for longer periods.;)
The other is math:
It took the sphere builders 1,000 years to create the Expanse that had a diamerter of 2,000 light years. I don't remember if they ever stated how many of those spheres there were but we know if must have been dozens.
In the 26th century the expanse has a diameter of 50,000 light years.
I think you see the problem with the growth rate which would be increased by a factor comparable to Spaceballs' "Ludicrous Speed".
And on top of that they'd have to build some kind of genertors to affect space once again without attracting anyones attention in the mean time.;)
Well, I see two problems with this idea. One is the situation.
Appearently they could accellerate the growth rate to some degree, but the question is whether they could only do so due to the advenced degree of alteration already present in the target area. We know the interaction between the anomalies is what makes the whole darn thing grow faster. It's also not clear whether they could keep the sphere "on overdrive" for longer periods.;)
The other is math:
It took the sphere builders 1,000 years to create the Expanse that had a diamerter of 2,000 light years. I don't remember if they ever stated how many of those spheres there were but we know if must have been dozens.
In the 26th century the expanse has a diameter of 50,000 light years.
I think you see the problem with the growth rate which would be increased by a factor comparable to Spaceballs' "Ludicrous Speed".
All valid points. However, in the absence of explicitly contradictory information I'm still inclined to hang a "plausible" sign on it. For all we know the Battle of Procyon V was preceded by an unprecedentedly rapid trans-dimensional incursion by the sphere builders.
Since Cryptic seems able to eventually access ideas and concepts from some of the novels, with some negotiation and luck, why not bring in the Typhon Pact?
I talk about it in this thread I started a week or two ago, but I'll post the summary of it here:
Faction: The Typhon Pact
So a lot of faction talk happened after the launch of LoR. Everyone's getting in on it. People are tossing around ideas like Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, or Borg and Undine.
All things considered, weak ideas.
The Cardassians would be too much like angrier and more egotistical Romulans at this point. The Jem'hadar (in the Alpha Quadrant at least) are neither numerous enough nor compelling enough to warrant factionhood, and.... guys, let's leave the Borg and Undine as enemy factions, okay? Be serious.
Like how serious this idea is! I did some reading on it, and essentially, the Typhon Pact is a coalition of the more recognizable Breen, Tholian, Imperial Romulan, and Gorn races, with the somewhat more obscure Tzenkethi and Kinyasha playing second banana. These races banded together also to fight the Borg and to kinda try and one-up the Federation in therms of power consolidation.
This idea would require a lot of work, however. Like.... a lot a lot.
Firstly, they wouldn't be sharing any of the missions that current Starfleet, Klingon, or Republic Romulans do. Their goals are simply too different as are their concerns. Every mission would essentially have to be new and original.
Secondly, some of those races, while in-game already, would require a lot of work to make playable (I'm lookin' at the Tholians here). The Tzenkethi, while mentioned on DS9, have never been seen (it is assumed they are large monstrous felinoids, more bestial than even Caitians or Ferasans). The Kinyasha are completely unique to the novels, and also quite large and monstrous.
Thirdly, reconciling the fact that several of these species' ships have been made available to players as lockbox or prize ships. The short and sweet solution would be to simply offer potential Typhon Pact players an appropriately analogous Federation/KDF starship. But it may not be quite that simple, y'know?
And a lot of the Reputation trees currently available would have to be reworked a bit to reflect the Typhon Pact flavoring.
However, what could give the devs an interesting avenue to introduce the idea of the Typhon Pact are, oddly enough, the Gorn and the Imperial Romulans.
We all know that there are pretty heavy allusions to the Gorn Hegemony's dissatisfaction with being annexed by the Klingons. And the Romulan Star Empire is in complete disarray in several points throught the game. If a mission series that deals with Gorn Independence ever pops up, it could easily be established at the end of that arc that the newly emancipated Gorn seek protection from the Klingons by taking part in this crazy idea the Tholians and Breen thought up, in the form of the Typhon Pact's mutual protection.
And the Romulan Star Empire, absolutely at the end of it's ropes thanks to Sela and Hakeev's chicanery, along with significant numbers of their dissatisfied Romulan and Reman population splitting off to form the Reman Rebels and New Romulan Republic, may see the alliance as incredibly beneficial to them, at least in the short term.
It'd require a lot of work, on multiple fronts. But I think it'd definitely be the coolest "new faction" idea there is.
There's a couple of other faction ideas in that thread of mine, but the Typhon Pact idea is potentially the best one.
I doubt we will see a 3rd faction in this game if they didn't swing it with Romulans...besides the Typhon pact exists in a universe that has taken several if not many twists and turns with differ from canon.
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All valid points. However, in the absence of explicitly contradictory information I'm still inclined to hang a "plausible" sign on it. For all we know the Battle of Procyon V was preceded by an unprecedentedly rapid trans-dimensional incursion by the sphere builders.
Thank you. Actually there is something very close to conclusive.
According to that episode ("Azati Prime") the Klingons joined the Federation.
Daniels almost makes it sound like the Klingons are one of the fouding members...but that might just by my interpretation.
ARCHER: The Federation? You've mentioned them before.
DANIELS: Vulcans, Andorians, Ithenites, Klingons. Dozens of species, including humans, all unified in a powerful alliance.
However we not only have Klingon timeships, we also know the Klingons have their own temporal investigation service centuries after they should've joined the Federation.
Thank you. Actually there is something very close to conclusive.
According to that episode ("Azati Prime") the Klingons joined the Federation.
Daniels almost makes it sound like the Klingons are one of the fouding members...but that might just by my interpretation.
ARCHER: The Federation? You've mentioned them before.
DANIELS: Vulcans, Andorians, Ithenites, Klingons. Dozens of species, including humans, all unified in a powerful alliance.
However we not only have Klingon timeships, we also know the Klingons have their own temporal investigation service centuries after they should've joined the Federation.
If memory serves, KDF timeships are from the 29th century. Daniels I believe was from the 31st century. That's another 200 years for stuff to happen. The Klingons may very well have joined the Federation in the intervening time.
Alternatively, the Korath et al may simply be the timeship equivalents of say the Kumari or Atrox. Ships specific to a particular government, but operating under the Federation umbrella. In the present (25th century) individual planetary governments can maintain their own security forces, why would a temporal security force necessarily be any different (if one assumes they're all enforcing/adhering to the temporal accords)?
Thank you. Actually there is something very close to conclusive.
According to that episode ("Azati Prime") the Klingons joined the Federation.
Daniels almost makes it sound like the Klingons are one of the fouding members...but that might just by my interpretation.
ARCHER: The Federation? You've mentioned them before.
DANIELS: Vulcans, Andorians, Ithenites, Klingons. Dozens of species, including humans, all unified in a powerful alliance.
However we not only have Klingon timeships, we also know the Klingons have their own temporal investigation service centuries after they should've joined the Federation.
I'll keep my head down then, their pitches tend to blow sh*t up.:P
The Klingons as a Federation member is something that gets toyed with but never done. There are some hints in the early eps of TNG that the KDF was an actual MEMBER and not just an ally. The plot with Worf being an orphan/refugee didn't come up in seasons 1 and 2 at all IIRC...
As for the Ithenites.... who the heck are they?
I'd write that off as an alternate timeline that Daniels was talking about one that got lost during the Time War.
If memory serves, KDF timeships are from the 29th century. Daniels I believe was from the 31st century. That's another 200 years for stuff to happen. The Klingons may very well have joined the Federation in the intervening time.
Sorry, you misunderstod that.
The Klingons had supposedly joined the Federation in the 26th century, at the time of th Battle of Procyon V.:)
Alternatively, the Korath et al may simply be the timeship equivalents of say the Kumari or Atrox. Ships specific to a particular government, but operating under the Federation umbrella. In the present (25th century) individual planetary governments can maintain their own security forces, why would a temporal security force necessarily be any different (if one assumes they're all enforcing/adhering to the temporal accords)?
Because then it wouldn't be a "Federation" and "Klingon" timeship, but a "Starfleet" and a "Klingon" timeship because both would be "Federation".;)
I wonder that every time I watch the episode...probably B&B had a random name generator stashed away somewhere they fired up when they forgot a name they coul've used instead...like Tellarite for example.:)
Sorry, you misunderstod that.
The Klingons had supposedly joined the Federation in the 26th century, at the time of th Battle of Procyon V.:)
1) I'll need to re-listen to the dialogue from Azati Prime, but I don't believe Daniels ever clarifies when the races he's describing joined the Federation. Or that they had in fact joined the Federation. Only that they (Archer and Daniels) were in the 26th century at Procyon V, and those listed races were allied against the sphere builders. From the one transcript I found, it does not appear that Daniels ever elaborates on that detail.
The possibility of a Federation Alliance being simplified for Archer's sake isn't nonexistent.
2) Given the revolving door of Federation / KDF relations, is it really outside the realm of possibility that the two powers were allied by the 26th Century (perhaps in the face of an impending invasion), yet after that unifying force was gone they had drifted apart by the 29th? The pendulum has been shown going back and forth repeatedly already, whats one more time (other than my deep seated hatred of cliches)?
Because then it wouldn't be a "Federation" and "Klingon" timeship, but a "Starfleet" and a "Klingon" timeship because both would be "Federation".;)
Then why aren't the Atrox, Kumari or D'Kyr listed as Federation ships? Instead of Caitian, Andorian or Vulcan? Does it make the Jem'hadar, Breen, Cardassian, Ferengi, Elachi or Tholian ships Federation ships too?
Would love to see a Terran empire but it will never happen imo some of the best episodes from the show were the mirror universe personally it was a more realistic future i mean if aliens landed on earth do you really think we would just greet them and become friends or blow there head off and take there ship.
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In "Carpenter Street" he also stated that the outcome of the Xindi conflict had not reached him yet. So he was from an alternate future himself.
*EDIT: there are also the conditions the galaxy was in at that time to be considered.
The Expanse had taken on gigantic forms whiel the one on the 22nd century had needed 1,000 years to be created. So it must have been the same expanse...the one Archer and his crew destroyed in the 22nd century.*
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Daniels came from a future where there was originally no xindi attack. a future where the colonists did not die on the planet in season 1 and where the sphere builders were defeated in the now giant expanse of the 26th century.
all of that was changed. there was a xindi attack, the colonists did die, and with the expanse destroyed in the 22nd century it never grew to the 26th, so that future is changed.
its quite conceivable that the xindi were feared and hated because of their attack on earth, felt shame because of it and had no pressing desire to join the feds especially as they had no common enemy in the sphere builders and the expanse was no longer making their area of space unliveable for anyone.
Though the original Orion homeworld is even deeper in Federation space, so that doesn't necessarily mean they're members or even allies, only that the Federation has surrounded them.
primates for feds
arboreals for romulans
reptilian for kdf
insectoids as enemy units
the aquatics will have to be nothing more than story contacts, unless they invent underwater gameplay.
this is true, but then again we seem to have a doff from just about every species imaginable regardless of who they are with.
Nice word-play (even if it might have been unintentional);)
The Xindi doffs are Fed-only. Of course, in the same set of ultra rares was the original Suliban doff, which was KDF-only, and now the Suliban seem to be loosely affiliated with New Romulus instead.
Firstly, I like the rhyming. And this thread is a discussion of what could be feasible, not what should they try to implement immediately
Think Future! Or, if it helps, hypothetical!
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I see where you're coming from. Personally, given ENT's rather convoluted attempt to mashup a "fixed" timeline theory with a branching one, it's somewhat ambiguous.
Not necessarily. We saw the sphere builders rapidly accelerate the expansion of the trans-dimentional soup as Enterprise tried to knock out the sphere concurrent with Archer's throwdown over earth. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they (sphere builders) couldn't rapidly re-create the Expanse given the right resources.
I'd quite like them to include the sphere builders, just because I've always wanted to shoot the arrogant buggers.
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Yeah shame isn't it? lol. Nevermind, "We've got stop the Tal Shiar!":D Also Tal Shiar, Ming the Merciless costumes are not the best fashion attire. How many of you would buy those in the store?
Completely agree. A faction that already has existing lockboxes is going to cause problems. If their best ships are already owned by Federation, Romulan and Klingon players, where is the incentive to make new ones? Of course Jem Hadar Attack Ships for everybody would be nice considering they still sell for 450-500 million EC. So please break your own rules Cryptic, pretty please.
Sorry got carried away.
I don't actually want to see Borg playable spheres either. I was just considering the possibility of whether it would work or not. IMHO I don't feel it would.
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I would pay, like, all the money for that!
Considering I've heard all 4 of the ships in question (JHAS, JHHEC, JHDC & Galor) being referred to as Over Powered - It could make for a fun End Game selection. Although what would they do with Spiral Wave? Would they ban cardassians from using their own weapons? Would they just enrage all the folk who've spent hundreds of thousands of dilthium on them? Either way, the people that Got the ships through Key spam or EC ground would be displeased
All perfectly justifiable.
I'm sure there is a way. I just haven't found anybody that can think of it :P
Short of introducing Asymmetric factions...
I would like some kind of faction conflict that's worth something. I don't know if you ever played Chromehounds, but the multiplayer in that was a global 3 way war that reset once a faction won. I think they got through 2 before the servers shut down...
Unfortunately the PVP in STO isn't enjoyable or approachable enough to get sufficient interest
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It can encompass merchants/traders, mercenaries, and various other small and rogue groups.
There's been some dev talks about opening up the sector block to the "west" of sirius block, and that area would include Ferengenar. That would make the perfect starting place and headquarters for an independent faction.
Such a faction could include the Ferengi, the Yrridians, as well as many other small groups. Merchants in freighters, mercenaries (like the group that kidnapped Picard and Riker in TNG?), remnant sof the Marquis, and many more.
And they could easily be made to "choose sides" with the feds or KDF just like the romulan faction did.
Races could be those listed above, but could also incorporate existing races. So you could be a human, but not part of the federation (or starfleet) and possibly end up working with the klingons.
Cardassians are a shoe-in, of course. They'd probably be easy to do since the Cardassian Empire was pretty much a one-race faction. For variety, maybe pull in one of the more mercenary races from the DS9 series. Not sure which others would fit. I would not advocate including any Dominion races.
Liberated Borg might happen simply because they're popular... but as mentioned, they'd be stepping on the toes of the LTS players a little bit if they do it.
I'd play a Ferengi, and so would a lot of other people. That would be an interesting faction.
I could easily see a non-Dominion Gamma Quadrant faction comprised of rebel Jem'Hadar and Vorta, maybe some other GQ races.
But I think it would be really, really interesting if Cryptic took a couple of lesser-known alien civilizations, maybe that they created for the game and developed them into rival empires. One could take the Fed side and the other could take the KDF side. Cryptic could pretty much do what they want if they develop their own story around something like that and built up interest by leading up to it in FE's. It would be their opportunity to make their own mark in the Trek universe.
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Toss in a Boslic and I'm there!
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Thanks. It's especially confusing when you take "Shockwave" into account...which was also written by Berman and Braga and that showed us the exact opposite effect.
Changes in the timeline were instant there.
The only thing I can come up with as a fanfic-rationalization as that the temporal agents built some kind of shield to "slow down" the effects of time-alterations to see if they should be "corrected"...maybe...
Well, I see two problems with this idea. One is the situation.
Appearently they could accellerate the growth rate to some degree, but the question is whether they could only do so due to the advenced degree of alteration already present in the target area. We know the interaction between the anomalies is what makes the whole darn thing grow faster. It's also not clear whether they could keep the sphere "on overdrive" for longer periods.;)
The other is math:
It took the sphere builders 1,000 years to create the Expanse that had a diamerter of 2,000 light years. I don't remember if they ever stated how many of those spheres there were but we know if must have been dozens.
In the 26th century the expanse has a diameter of 50,000 light years.
I think you see the problem with the growth rate which would be increased by a factor comparable to Spaceballs' "Ludicrous Speed".
And on top of that they'd have to build some kind of genertors to affect space once again without attracting anyones attention in the mean time.;)
All valid points. However, in the absence of explicitly contradictory information I'm still inclined to hang a "plausible" sign on it. For all we know the Battle of Procyon V was preceded by an unprecedentedly rapid trans-dimensional incursion by the sphere builders.
I'm sure Kestrel can get the Iconians to pitch in.
I doubt we will see a 3rd faction in this game if they didn't swing it with Romulans...besides the Typhon pact exists in a universe that has taken several if not many twists and turns with differ from canon.
Thank you. Actually there is something very close to conclusive.
According to that episode ("Azati Prime") the Klingons joined the Federation.
Daniels almost makes it sound like the Klingons are one of the fouding members...but that might just by my interpretation.
ARCHER: The Federation? You've mentioned them before.
DANIELS: Vulcans, Andorians, Ithenites, Klingons. Dozens of species, including humans, all unified in a powerful alliance.
However we not only have Klingon timeships, we also know the Klingons have their own temporal investigation service centuries after they should've joined the Federation.
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=695181
Makes no sense does it?;)
I'll keep my head down then, their pitches tend to blow sh*t up.:P
If memory serves, KDF timeships are from the 29th century. Daniels I believe was from the 31st century. That's another 200 years for stuff to happen. The Klingons may very well have joined the Federation in the intervening time.
Alternatively, the Korath et al may simply be the timeship equivalents of say the Kumari or Atrox. Ships specific to a particular government, but operating under the Federation umbrella. In the present (25th century) individual planetary governments can maintain their own security forces, why would a temporal security force necessarily be any different (if one assumes they're all enforcing/adhering to the temporal accords)?
As for the Ithenites.... who the heck are they?
I'd write that off as an alternate timeline that Daniels was talking about one that got lost during the Time War.
My character Tsin'xing
Sorry, you misunderstod that.
The Klingons had supposedly joined the Federation in the 26th century, at the time of th Battle of Procyon V.:)
Because then it wouldn't be a "Federation" and "Klingon" timeship, but a "Starfleet" and a "Klingon" timeship because both would be "Federation".;)
I wonder that every time I watch the episode...probably B&B had a random name generator stashed away somewhere they fired up when they forgot a name they coul've used instead...like Tellarite for example.:)
1) I'll need to re-listen to the dialogue from Azati Prime, but I don't believe Daniels ever clarifies when the races he's describing joined the Federation. Or that they had in fact joined the Federation. Only that they (Archer and Daniels) were in the 26th century at Procyon V, and those listed races were allied against the sphere builders. From the one transcript I found, it does not appear that Daniels ever elaborates on that detail.
The possibility of a Federation Alliance being simplified for Archer's sake isn't nonexistent.
2) Given the revolving door of Federation / KDF relations, is it really outside the realm of possibility that the two powers were allied by the 26th Century (perhaps in the face of an impending invasion), yet after that unifying force was gone they had drifted apart by the 29th? The pendulum has been shown going back and forth repeatedly already, whats one more time (other than my deep seated hatred of cliches)?
Then why aren't the Atrox, Kumari or D'Kyr listed as Federation ships? Instead of Caitian, Andorian or Vulcan? Does it make the Jem'hadar, Breen, Cardassian, Ferengi, Elachi or Tholian ships Federation ships too?