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Why is there a damge buff when exiting cloak anyways?
fredscarran
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You've already got the element of surprise-you're-dead in PVP, why pile on? The cloak is already a big tactical advantage without the damage bonus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCdUfAE5Rz8 (this should be the Kerrat theme song, seriously)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCdUfAE5Rz8 (this should be the Kerrat theme song, seriously)
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There needs to be something that isn't undermined by your completely unrealistic ability to hear me triggering all my attack buffs before I decloak. This is that thing. It approximates your crew being taken off guard, needing a couple of seconds to react.
I have an idea for what Season 11 should be; Season 11: The Big Bug Fix.
I have not been able to read my bug tickets in over a year, not even the tickets about not being able to see my tickets.
I find the drama of your signature proof of your immaturity, this means you, DR whiners.
The "crew" are at battlestations whether they are staring at a viewscreen or not. The player/captain are always taken off guard whether there is a damage bonus or not. There is no need to pile on an already big advantage.
How about just leave it as a plain old cloak, and leave the damage bonuses freaking alone.
But they are not triggering time-sensitive buffs based on an iminent attack they don't know about.
My point stands.
....which piles onto an already big advantage of decloaking and attacking. Why do you need an additional damage buff?
To counter your unrealistic ability to hear me buffing, for one thing.
But for another, if not for the decloaking damage buff, it's no different from me flying up to you and attacking.
At least they can't see the stars shimmering behind you, or notice your singularity is disrupting power systems, or detect your cloak because you're emitting particles and easily shoot you down.
The ability to hear you clicking those skills is an interesting tactical layer added to the battle, and mimics a few things you see on the show/movies that would be really hard to implement into a videogame environment.
Next time don't get too close while clicking all those skills.
Oh so you don't think there's a difference between just flying up to someone and attacking, and completely surprising them decloaking and coming out of nowhere. mmmhmmm, whatever.
Ships didn't fly around with their shields up all the time...
Especially cloaked ships, or ships at warp (full impulse).
If you want a sandbox environment, not an instanced arena, you're barking up the wrong tree. That's like saying, "People don't have their skills ready in Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, or Eve Online." Yeah they do.
Good question. Don't get me wrong, I like the +30% decloak dmg, plus the 3x +20% extra decloak dmg from the Embassy boffs, on my Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer; but, in all honestly, it's ridiculously OP.
And the compensation-for-no-shields argument is flawed: you decloak, do a barrage of hefty dmg; and ere the other person knows what happened, you already have your shields back up with your EPtS. I've never had a moment where I thought: "Gee, I have no shields!" And always "Gee, I'm doing a sh*tload of OP dmg on top of having a cloak already!"
So your surprise lasts exactly 0.1 seconds plus the latency it takes for the game to register my response.
If you are unlucky I run high aux power and have points in stealth detection and hit you with a BO before your shields are up.
That's why.
That or don't attract attention to yourself by trashtalking as much as some others, that seems to get them targeted more often too :P
Cruisers can do the same thing, in fact turn rate don't mean much during a cloaking-alpha strike; you're target isn't avoiding.
This isn't a cruisers vs. escort thing. It's a right vs. wrong thing.
Cloak--->Sneak Attack.
Why pile on with a damage buff too?
Every WOW-clone that has a "sneak attack" class has to be melee, walk slowly while invisible, can't tank, or have their invisibility only last a short while like a few seconds. If WOW had a STO type "sneak attack" it would be the Ranger that could go invisible indefinitely, walk faster while invisible, and it would get a damage buff every time it "sneak attacked" at range. Yeah that's happening.
You missed his point, and you think this started in WoW.
You need to read his quote again, slowly this time.
When you are cloaked you aren't doing damage. The damage boost makes up for the downtime.
Cloak is like WW2 Submarine combat, the idea is to sneak up and blow your target away before they react, but the risk is that if you get caught you are defenseless.
It seems to me that players would rather complain about cloak then actually use skills to counter cloaks and then get free kills on unshielded targets that can't use any abilities.
If you don't want any "downtime" then don't cloak.
WW2 submarines are weaker than WW2 corvettes when they're surfaced.
It seems to me that the cloak will be nerfed one way or another. Instead of removing the damage buff the devs would do something lamer like making the cloak useless unless you're like 20 K or further away. We're talking about MMORPG developers here.
They've actually buffed cloaking several times in the past year...heck, they even released a new faction where every ship at release of that expansion had at least a Battle Cloak. After that expansion, they released a lockbox with a pair of ships with cloaks.
Lol, even with the recent lockbox - they oopsied and included a cloak on one of the ships (that they will be removing at some point).
I don't see them nerfing cloaks one way or another...
They're MMORPG developers, first they swing wide right, then they swing wide left.
They're driving triples, and put the heaviest trailer in the back.
They do the Rocky Mountain double, backwards.
You really have no familiarity with Cryptic's notion of balance, do you?
They want it this way
Because sound travels great in space.
Bridge Officer: Captain! I heard the enemy ship getting ready to attack!
Or they are trying to make something clearly better so they can get more sales of completely new items no one already has? I almost fear what they will release for their next marketing and sales blitz.