Confirmed via the STLV Dev Panel, Voth are the new Enemy. We will be fighting them in a DYSON SPHERE, complete with TERRITORY CONTROL based combat.
Not necessarily. There will be Voth and there will be a Dyson Sphere featuring Territory Control based combat, but there is nothing to support at the moment that we will be fighting Voth in a Dyson Sphere. It just doesn't make sense to link the two together without further information. After all, the Dyson sphere was introduced in TNG and Voth introduced in Voyager and while Voth ships can be huge, they haven't shown any interest in Dyson Spheres.
Not necessarily. There will be Voth and there will be a Dyson Sphere featuring Territory Control based combat, but there is nothing to support at the moment that we will be fighting Voth in a Dyson Sphere. It just doesn't make sense to link the two together without further information. After all, the Dyson sphere was introduced in TNG and Voth introduced in Voyager and while Voth ships can be huge, they haven't shown any interest in Dyson Spheres.
Yet.... that totally sound slike the sort of thing Voth would do though, they LOVED big stuff.
Confirmed via the STLV Dev Panel, Voth are the new Enemy. We will be fighting them in a DYSON SPHERE, complete with TERRITORY CONTROL based combat.
As I said on another thread, Cryptic really has a bad habit of leaking spoilers before the official announcement. :rolleyes:
But personally, I'm not happy with the Voth being a new enemy. It's becoming a boring plot that everyone in the Galaxy is pissed off at the Federation. So the Voth are returning because they finally accepted Earth was their home and going to evict the human race?
Personally the Vaaduar would've been better villians since they have a legitimate reason to hate the Federation.
And I'm weary of Territory Control, given how Cryptic has ignored PvP and the actual war with the Klingons. I'll have to wait and see how it turns out, but I got a bad feeling............
Not necessarily. There will be Voth and there will be a Dyson Sphere featuring Territory Control based combat, but there is nothing to support at the moment that we will be fighting Voth in a Dyson Sphere.
They mentioned that if you don't manage to hold the area, the Voth retake it.
Evict, as in "eradicate all traces of Humanity" more likely. In order to protect themselves from the "Distant Origin" theory.
As others suggested, this is looking to be the case. :P
Starting to feel like one of those political cartoons where the Iconians are a carny, selling tickets to fight a battered UFP, with every race in the galaxy lining up for a chance.
As others suggested, this is looking to be the case. :P
Starting to feel like one of those political cartoons where the Iconians are a carny, selling tickets to fight a battered UFP, with every race in the galaxy lining up for a chance.
The way I look at it at least they're doing it with a canon race. The foe could be Starlian or some-such.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
While I think it's awesome that we'll be fighting in a Dyson sphere (my favorite type of super structure), I am disappointed that the Voth will be enemies with Humans. They originate from Earth too... I had hoped that fact would have made them friends.
While I think it's awesome that we'll be fighting in a Dyson sphere (my favorite type of super structure), I am disappointed that the Voth will be enemies with Humans. They originate from Earth too... I had hoped that fact would have made them friends.
Are Romulans and Vulcans friends?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Why does Cryptic go and pick the Voth? Dinosaurs in Star Trek and one of the dumber Voyager episodes ... Which is saying a lot.
There are so many better villains. What about the Krenim ... or do more with what we have. STF with Undine or fleet actions with Hirogens.
It seems like Cryptic is suffering from serious ADD. They start **** but can never finish before moving on.
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The way I look at it at least they're doing it with a canon race. The foe could be Starlian or some-such.
Not sure where you get the idea I wanted a Cryptic-made enemy.
My point is there were more appropriate enemies from canon that they could've used. But instead, Cryptic is making like everyone in the Galaxy is out to get us. What's next, angry Ocampans?
Better example for your point would've been the Klingons and Fek'Ihri.
Na, the Romulan and Vulcan connection is more appropriate, since we have no idea who or what the original Fek'lhri were. (It's been hinted in STO that they were more like the alien caretakers of the slave Klingons during the age of the Hur'Q).
In Sci Fi, the best similarity would be the Ancients and Humans of the Stargate series. Same homeworld origin, two different species.
Why does Cryptic go and pick the Voth? Dinosaurs in Star Trek and one of the dumber Voyager episodes ... Which is saying a lot.
There are so many better villains. What about the Krenim ... or do more with what we have. STF with Undine or fleet actions with Hirogens.
It seems like Cryptic is suffering from serious ADD. They start **** but can never finish before moving on.
Problem with the Krenim is that they have no motive for attacking the Federation since the Weapon Ship was erased from history and the only ones that know about it or that Voyager destroyed it are us and maybe certain Omniscient beings. The problem with the Hirogen and Undine is that they are not new enemies. There are 3 things that a Voyager enemy needs to be in STO, motive, technology to get to the Alpha Quadrant, and technology to be a threat. The Borg, Undine, Hirogen, and Voth are all enemies from the Delta Quadrant that meet those criteria and we already have three of them. There are not many enemies that can meet all 3 of the criteria.
And who's to say they're definitely coming after Earth? For all we know, their city ship is just passing through the quadrant and stopped in Kerrat to refuel, then they read the zone chat and decided to do the universe a favor.
Why does Cryptic go and pick the Voth? Dinosaurs in Star Trek and one of the dumber Voyager episodes ... Which is saying a lot.
There are so many better villains. What about the Krenim ... or do more with what we have. STF with Undine or fleet actions with Hirogens.
It seems like Cryptic is suffering from serious ADD. They start **** but can never finish before moving on.
"Distant Origins" was an interesting Voyager episode, which asks the audience to consider some strong philosophical questions. When it comes down to exploring those questions intellectually, I do not think "Star Trek: Online" is built for such a philosophical conversation. Everything will end with *pew pew pew*.
After the events that took place at the end of "Deep Space Nine" and "Nemesis", the Romulans, Breen, Jem'Hadar, Tholians, Founders, and Vortas would have all belonged to the Federation. If we followed 'Star Trek' history closely, the events in "Star Trek: Online" would not have happened.
Approximately twenty minutes ago, I rewatched "Distant Origin" on CBS's website. While the episode does challenge our perceptions, the idea of Earth based dinosaurs becoming space bound is ridiculous. Space dinos from Earth is just as bad as the Omega particle. "Star Trek: Voyager" 'jumped the shark' with those concepts.
I would not have chosen the Voth.
Krenim Imperium and the Caretaker would have been a better direction.
Maybe the Voth on their way to rid the Earth of the infidels, learn about their saurian cousins twice removed the Gorn, and go and try to liberate them from the Klingons.
Approximately twenty minutes ago, I rewatched "Distant Origin" on CBS's website. While the episode does challenge our perceptions, the idea of Earth based dinosaurs becoming space bound is ridiculous. Space dinos from Earth is just as bad as the Omega particle. "Star Trek: Voyager" 'jumped the shark' with those concepts.
I would not have chosen the Voth.
Krenim Imperium and the Caretaker would have been a better direction.
The Female Caretaker's grudge never got resolved and she's still out there.
But the Krenim, I don't see them expanding so far from the Delta Quadrant. They are better left there for when they expand to that area of the Galaxy. I could easily see them with their own Featured Event, where you experience the changes in time (like in Yesterday's Enterprise) and attempt to set things straight.
And who's to say they're definitely coming after Earth? For all we know, their city ship is just passing through the quadrant and stopped in Kerrat to refuel, then they read the zone chat and decided to do the universe a favor.
Maybe the Voth on their way to rid the Earth of the infidels, learn about their saurian cousins twice removed the Gorn, and go and try to liberate them from the Klingons.
After the events that took place at the end of "Deep Space Nine" and "Nemesis", the Romulans, Breen, Jem'Hadar, Tholians, Founders, and Vortas would have all belonged to the Federation. If we followed 'Star Trek' history closely, the events in "Star Trek: Online" would not have happened.
Well, no. The treaty that ended the Dominion War didn't include the Tholians in any way. The Tholians decided to stay out of the war entirely and supported neither side. It DID include the Dominion and Breen, but... the Dominion part was mostly "go back to the Gamma Quadrant and stay there." The Breen part was likely similar. The Federation wasn't in a possition to demand an unconditional surrender from the Dominion.
As for Nemesis.... There wasn't a state of War between the two powers. It was an isolated conflict and never went past that.
Let's face it.... the Federation doesn't do subjugation.... Klingons are happy to, but not the Federation.
The point I was trying to make is that there are tons of villian from Voyager ... and other series that are far better suited than Voth. You can disagree with Kremin or not ... but they make as much sense or even more so than Voth ... who clearly wanted nothing to do with Earth. I mean they are freaking "from the moon" kind of reference to an obscure episode that was clearly filler leading to Borg arc.
My point also stands about them finishing what they start. Let's review our little sojourn:
1) First, they start with Undine ... which leads to a chase
2) which leads to war with Klinks
3) which leads to doomsday weapon ... ugh
4) which leads to ... don't know ... truce ... whatever
5) which leads to Dravidian arc ... wtf ...
6) which leads to Romulans
7) which leads to Iconians (ah the master minds)
8) which leads to Cardassian ???? ugh ... I thought we were dealing with Iconians ...
9) which leads to New Dominion ... Iconians? ...
10) which leads to Borg ... so Iconians ****ing with them too?
11) which leads to Undine
12) which leads to Breen ... again ugh?
Lot's of stuff pulled in from the series just because it is cool and might lead to some c-store sales. No cohesion ... no logic ... where are the "Dictates of Poetic" oh Tuvac?
How about they go back and fill in all the gaps and tie all the content they already have? How about they add some ESTFs with Undine ... you know the super bad enemies that nearly destroyed the borg. If Undine are not worthy of STFs ... I don't know who is.
So many possibilities to follow up ... and they pick Voth. Really???
Tripple facepalm moment is not enough.
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Considering that our NPC B'ger isn't near as large as V'ger (as depicted in my link), I suspect the Voth City Ship to not be much larger than B'ger.
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I do wish you could shoot the outside, but it may be a tad impractical. It is only 15 Sovereigns long ...
I hope STO get's better ...
Not necessarily. There will be Voth and there will be a Dyson Sphere featuring Territory Control based combat, but there is nothing to support at the moment that we will be fighting Voth in a Dyson Sphere. It just doesn't make sense to link the two together without further information. After all, the Dyson sphere was introduced in TNG and Voth introduced in Voyager and while Voth ships can be huge, they haven't shown any interest in Dyson Spheres.
My character Tsin'xing
As I said on another thread, Cryptic really has a bad habit of leaking spoilers before the official announcement. :rolleyes:
But personally, I'm not happy with the Voth being a new enemy. It's becoming a boring plot that everyone in the Galaxy is pissed off at the Federation. So the Voth are returning because they finally accepted Earth was their home and going to evict the human race?
Personally the Vaaduar would've been better villians since they have a legitimate reason to hate the Federation.
And I'm weary of Territory Control, given how Cryptic has ignored PvP and the actual war with the Klingons. I'll have to wait and see how it turns out, but I got a bad feeling............
They mentioned that if you don't manage to hold the area, the Voth retake it.
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Evict, as in "eradicate all traces of Humanity" more likely. In order to protect themselves from the "Distant Origin" theory.
As others suggested, this is looking to be the case. :P
Starting to feel like one of those political cartoons where the Iconians are a carny, selling tickets to fight a battered UFP, with every race in the galaxy lining up for a chance.
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Better example for your point would've been the Klingons and Fek'Ihri.
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There are so many better villains. What about the Krenim ... or do more with what we have. STF with Undine or fleet actions with Hirogens.
It seems like Cryptic is suffering from serious ADD. They start **** but can never finish before moving on.
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Not sure where you get the idea I wanted a Cryptic-made enemy.
My point is there were more appropriate enemies from canon that they could've used. But instead, Cryptic is making like everyone in the Galaxy is out to get us. What's next, angry Ocampans?
Na, the Romulan and Vulcan connection is more appropriate, since we have no idea who or what the original Fek'lhri were. (It's been hinted in STO that they were more like the alien caretakers of the slave Klingons during the age of the Hur'Q).
In Sci Fi, the best similarity would be the Ancients and Humans of the Stargate series. Same homeworld origin, two different species.
Problem with the Krenim is that they have no motive for attacking the Federation since the Weapon Ship was erased from history and the only ones that know about it or that Voyager destroyed it are us and maybe certain Omniscient beings. The problem with the Hirogen and Undine is that they are not new enemies. There are 3 things that a Voyager enemy needs to be in STO, motive, technology to get to the Alpha Quadrant, and technology to be a threat. The Borg, Undine, Hirogen, and Voth are all enemies from the Delta Quadrant that meet those criteria and we already have three of them. There are not many enemies that can meet all 3 of the criteria.
After the events that took place at the end of "Deep Space Nine" and "Nemesis", the Romulans, Breen, Jem'Hadar, Tholians, Founders, and Vortas would have all belonged to the Federation. If we followed 'Star Trek' history closely, the events in "Star Trek: Online" would not have happened.
Approximately twenty minutes ago, I rewatched "Distant Origin" on CBS's website. While the episode does challenge our perceptions, the idea of Earth based dinosaurs becoming space bound is ridiculous. Space dinos from Earth is just as bad as the Omega particle. "Star Trek: Voyager" 'jumped the shark' with those concepts.
I would not have chosen the Voth.
Krenim Imperium and the Caretaker would have been a better direction.
The Female Caretaker's grudge never got resolved and she's still out there.
But the Krenim, I don't see them expanding so far from the Delta Quadrant. They are better left there for when they expand to that area of the Galaxy. I could easily see them with their own Featured Event, where you experience the changes in time (like in Yesterday's Enterprise) and attempt to set things straight.
As for Nemesis.... There wasn't a state of War between the two powers. It was an isolated conflict and never went past that.
Let's face it.... the Federation doesn't do subjugation.... Klingons are happy to, but not the Federation.
My character Tsin'xing
My point also stands about them finishing what they start. Let's review our little sojourn:
1) First, they start with Undine ... which leads to a chase
2) which leads to war with Klinks
3) which leads to doomsday weapon ... ugh
4) which leads to ... don't know ... truce ... whatever
5) which leads to Dravidian arc ... wtf ...
6) which leads to Romulans
7) which leads to Iconians (ah the master minds)
8) which leads to Cardassian ???? ugh ... I thought we were dealing with Iconians ...
9) which leads to New Dominion ... Iconians? ...
10) which leads to Borg ... so Iconians ****ing with them too?
11) which leads to Undine
12) which leads to Breen ... again ugh?
Lot's of stuff pulled in from the series just because it is cool and might lead to some c-store sales. No cohesion ... no logic ... where are the "Dictates of Poetic" oh Tuvac?
How about they go back and fill in all the gaps and tie all the content they already have? How about they add some ESTFs with Undine ... you know the super bad enemies that nearly destroyed the borg. If Undine are not worthy of STFs ... I don't know who is.
So many possibilities to follow up ... and they pick Voth. Really???
Tripple facepalm moment is not enough.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Your premise is wrong!
We may be seeing the VOTH not the Vorn (Duh!) as an enemy, and we would not play them.
Anyway, what is wrong with a little bit of P2W anyway?
BESIDES, I got an Odyssey set because I thought, and still do think, it would be fun, and not because I wanted to win.
I hope STO get's better ...
We haz cake and phazorz !!:P