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Bortasqu' is it worth getting? opinions please
amahood
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Is the Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser worth buying?
I've got the Brel retrofit and the vandal destroyer, but I don't have any great attacking ships, for my KDF side, so I'm going to buy one , but I don't know which one is best to get...
So I like the sound of the cannon that this ship I mentioned has... and was wondering what your opinions are, for those of you whom have that ship.
Note : please only answer if you own the ship, obviously.
Questions:
1 - Is the Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser worth buying , if so, why? try to explain how you find it's operations, such as what's great in battle what isn't etc, sort of like a short review on how you feel about yours.
2- Would you suggest any other ship , besides that one? if so which one and why?
Thank you for your time.
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Main thing I want to say: THIS THING IS SLOW. Seriously. Don't expect this monster to be turning well. You need to be willing to deal with a giant beast of a ship.
PvE-wise, not a massive issue. Annoying to deal with some enemies, like Borg spheres, but nothing major past that.
PvP-wise, I won't say much on, as I am curious if you plan on using it in PvP or not.
A lot of people will recommend the science one, because of it's extra science console in the otherwise very sci-light Bortas, and I can understand that. The tac one does have tremendous potential, but it takes a lot of work to make it good. You can't just sit down and suddenly do huge numbers. (Which I found a bit amusing in regards to the Scimitar. So many people made such a fuss over how slow it was)
I won't say more, because I'm wondering if you had any possible plans for it. This ship can be an outright beast in raw damage potential, but it's slow speed majorly limits that unless you know how to get around it.
There are other Klingon BCs out there that can do the job of damage nearly as well with better turn and such, but nothing quite beats the enjoyment of seeing this massive ship shred through stuff like it wasn't even there. The best example is the Fleet Vor'cha, aka Tor'kaht. Probably the best Klingon ships IMO, and one of the best ships in the entire game...at least within my own personal top 10.
The cannon is fairly devastating and will take out small ships on its own, and take lumps out of bigger ships. The down-side is that the cool-down for it is 3 minutes - which is forever in combat, so you need to make sure you have plenty of firepower around the ship, especially as it has a slow turn-rate. It can however take quite a bit of damage.
It's great for standing-off a Borg ship in the Red Alert. You might get to use the cannon more than once in that scenario. It's the smaller, nippier ships that are the pain, and that is why you need to make sure you have solid weapons all the way round.
I had a Negh'Var before it and whilst I liked the Negh'Var, and still have it, I don't think I will be going back to it.
I stopped using mine for a while when I got the Risian Corvette, but to me that thing is just too fast, so i'm back to the "whale".
I believe the Aux2bat build (I use a variant) works very well on it. But on this matter it is best to get the opinion of better players than I.
Also, it is not fair to tell you if it's worth buying or not, but I do not regret buying it at all.
To answer your questions about my plans for this ship if I buy it, (which it looks like I'm going to do so), is basically, for both PvE (the stf's and playing peoples foundry episodes), and also for PVP in the Ker-rat zone.
As for slow turn rate, I can manage that pretty good I think. Turn rate doesn't bother me, cause with my Dreadnought on the fed side, I can smash ships up pretty good with that bulky thing.
What has got me curious about the Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser, is the size of it, it's hull strength, it's crew size, and mainly it's auto-cannon.
3 minute cool-down time is fine with me. That sounds like the spinal phaser lance thingy on the dreadnought, and it seems to be good time for me.
(I would not like it if it was a cool down time for like , what the scimitar has, to be able to fire upon while cloaked... since from what I heard, the weapons aren't very powerful when doing so...)
I have mainly Tactical officers for my kdf, so this ship will be perfect for them I think.
Your replies have helped me .
Also, the way I'm gonna set it up , I think, is dual phasers on the fore, with dual-heavy cannons and a torpedoe weapon. and the aft, I'd say, phaser beam arrays and torpedoe.
For the consoles, I think the leech thingy from my vandal destoyer as hasukurobi suggested in his video.
I found a post by hasukurobi, to someone else, here:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=766871&page=2
and there was a link to his video review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8yQZ15Sjw
which I just finished watching the whole thing. And it pretty much helped (along with your replies), me make up my mind that it's the ship to get I think, for the KDF side.
My Brel retrofit and vandal destroyer does nice in battle, yet I want something that is going to be able to take alot of damage and dish it out as well.
Oh and also, if your curious about the other consoles I'll use, mimey2:
I like to use those neut(somthing) for the engineering for good protection.
and so will probably fill that area up with those and the leech console.
I'm going to take hasukurobi's advice from his video, and use those disruptor enhancer consoles for the tactical.
The only thing I'm unsure of is where to place the borg console, whether to place that in the science area or not...
Anyhow, yeppers, I think that's what I'm gonna buy then.
thanks for your help .
For PvP, I won't comment.
For PvE if you follow the build design in this thread the Bortas will put out some of the highest possible DPS numbers for beam builds - the key is you need to follow the build and not just some parts of the build, or you will end up like this.
In pve frecuently i use the tactical with the cannon consol. leech console. assim consol. 4 tact (depend your energy) 1 for shield, 1 neut and 1 rcs or sif.
Rear: 2 turrets, kcb, 1 mine launcher. Front: 1 torp, 2 dhc, 1 quad cannons (yes, everyone probably said dont use!!! but here the important component is: you! the captain; you have a experience with dread then... why not!!!)
In pvp i prefer the science and config with beam arrays + dual beam bank
The botars a light diference with the dread is: botars is more more slow ship than the dread (i have the dread too)
Good luck
The thing is - it takes a lot of time and effort to get accustomed to. It also takes a bit investment to outfit one to it's full potential. I have the 3-pack and usually fly the Bortasqu' Command Cruiser. Lately since they made 2-piece set bonus I've retired the Hoh'sus console. If you're getting only one, I think that the Tac. one is the way to go. The Disruptor Autocannon is a powerfull weapon.
The ship is slow, but with a proper skill setup, consoles and a lot of time synchronizin yourself with the ship, you could make it dance the lambada if you want to. I use 2 sets of disruptor weapons, one is DHC/Turret combination (yes, it works on the Bortas when you learn how to use it, especially in PvE) the other is full on beams, a standard Fed. cruiser setup, for targets that like to move around more. Both work just fine.
Other good Klingon cruisers would be the Tor'kaht, the K'maj and the fleet K'tinga, but mind that the K'tinga has more escort/cruiser hybrid stats. The most solid and powerfull one of these is the Tor'kaht. However, the I believe the Bortas to have more durability of all of those, it's a great hull tank and mine literally refuses to die, ever.
The question is - are you prepared to sacrifice speed for the biggest and baddest Klingon battleship? It also comes with the best bridge in STO.
EDIT: The video you linked is a very good one, I'm glad you took the time to watch it. Umbreona pretty much nails it when it comes to presenting and explaining the STO ships and his reviews have nice summed info about the ships.
I'm going to reply to some of them now, first with the quote of course then with my thoughts(not in order, so as I can make sure I remember what my thoughts are on the posts, if that makes sense at all LOL):
Thank you for that link! I most definitely think it has some great info !
I appreciate your posts, fmgtorres and madmopar, and your views, yet I tend to agree with tarsudo, in that since I have experience with the Dreadnought Cruiser, I see no reason not to try out having Dual Heavy Cannons. Turn rate is not a problem for me with that one, especially when using Evasive Maneuvers, or having a Tractor beam hold onto an enemy, long enough to turn around and Blast it to bits, (which I've done countless times with the Dreadnought). Being mindful of course of the warning that many are saying that the Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser is even slower, I feel I can adapt.
When I was wondering whether to get the Dreadnought Cruiser, everyone said not to get it, cause of it's turn rate, and that the cannons would be useless. Yet I got it anyways and have used the cannons always. It has become my favorite Fed ship I ever bought from the zen store.
Howdy shpoks,
My answer is Yes I am.
The opinions about this ship remind me of the Fed Dreadnought Cruiser. There seems to be alot of what you said between players opinions on it.
I think it may be those whom prefer turn rate over hull strength. But I could be wrong.
When I began STO , I preferred a ship with a good turn rate, but as time went on I got use to the Cruisers. And they have become my favorite. Cause in Battle, they are great monsters against enemies. Bwahahahaaa.
I appreciate your post as well.
Yes I agree. I looked at it, and didn't plan to watch the whole thing cause of the length, but as I began to watch, and see just how much in depth his video review became, I quite liked it. Cause I was seeing every detail about the ship which I had questions about. So I watched the whole thing!
I think I will see what other videos he has for ship reviews, to see what other ship I might get sometime in the future.
Well Folks. Thank You Kindly for ALL of Your GREAT AWSOME Input !!!!
I Truly appreciate it!
Looks like my KDF characters will be played more often right now than my other characters.
:cool:
So who knows, ya might see my new ship in Ker-rat some time. My characters are a Ferasan male, Klingon male and Trill male .
take care all. Qapla!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erPP8gt4X7M
And another of the same ship doing Hive Elite STF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZOkFhi91E
They are both in 1080 HD so make sure you have your settings correct!
If you just take the 6 minutes to watch the first video you'll get a build and a style that for starts will be almost free, zero special gear at all, and will get you going in elites. Seriously. And for that I want the 54 minutes of view time I could have saved you.
Cheers.
I have 2 core issues with the Bortasqu' series.
#2. Questionable console set usefulness. The only one honestly that piques my interest is the Disruptor Autocannon. The other consoles are underwhelming. To get the set cooldown for smaller Disruptor Autocannon downtimes, you now need to equip 2 consoles. Even then, I'm very hesitant because I consider the other 2 consoles as completely worthless.
#1. Very sluggish turn rate. This part here is the most divisive trait of the Bortasqu' series. Their slow turn rates have long pissed off many buyers. There's easier workarounds now ever since the LOR update, but it bears mentioning that it's a very big issue still, most especially for the TAC version. The Bortasqu', esp. the TAC version, has easily the biggest Disruptor damage potential in the KDF lineup due to the 5 TAC Consoles and ample ENG BOFF space to boost such firepower. Most especially coming out of Cloaks and combined with the Disruptor Autocannon Console, you can melt a ship pretty quickly in PVP. But this generally requires a narrow-arc cannon build, which also needs good turn rates to easily bear the cannons onto shifting targets.
Again, there are better workarounds for slow turn rates ever since LOR. But I would not recommend the Bortasqu' ships to anyone that has poor experience in making slow turning ships move and perform better. In addition, the Bortasqu' ships IMHO perform great as beamboats.
For all that is holy, PLEASE do NOT use phasers on that ship...its got a DISRUPTOR autocannon on it. You need to run disruptor weapons, not phaser. Disruptor induction coils are going to boost the autocannons dmg.
And people wonder why STF's fail so much...builds like this post describes. ROFL
Wow... take it easy ... it's alright.. it's alright.... I'll use the disruptor ok? ... I just didn't do much home-work on the ship....
is that alright now corval ? are you ok now?
take a breath......
sheesh....
um.. oh yeah. thanks for the info..
Thank you for the links, the first video answers a question I actually was wondering, which is, whether the ship is able to use DHC, as it doesn't describe it in the zen store at all to do so. And it seems that you can use them. So that's good news. As for the other video I watched, which was an hour long, I think it was a dang good review , I don't care bout it being an hour long, if it's a good review.
anyhow thanks for the links.
Just make sure you copy a char who owns the equipment you plan to use on your example.
I thought about watching it. Saw a bit. Saw dual beam banks and a harpeng torpedo. Saw beam overload.
May have been a good review of the interior of the ship, but anyone that would consider those abilities and weapons a good loadout for a KDF cruiser is leading people down the wrong path.
So no. Not a good review. And it took an hour to get to the wrong advice. Woo hoo!
don't be such a child.
Yes the hour long review WAS a Good Review. And my opinion stays unchanged on that. :cool:
An STF will fail because an autocannon will do a bit less damage?
The review is fine, it gives valuable insight into the ship for someone that is considering buying one. It has all the necessary info about special consoles, abilities, bonuses, stats, designs and such. The guy doing the review never says that his build is the "uber" build or the only way to go, he just says "this is what I'm using".
Honestly, if someone's looking into spending 25 or 50 bucks for the ships and doesn't have an idea as to what weapon layout he/she will use, not even the Great Bird of the Galaxy can help them there.
Also consider that the ones who do PvP and min/max are a minority in this game. And I could win PvE by opening the airlock and throwing bricks at the NPCs.
Precisely! Exactly! Sheesh-ka-bob.
Glad to see you agree with me, shpoks. I know that I couldn't have said it better myself.
I know that Until I watched that Awesome hour long video, I was only 50% sure about buying it, but after that video, I KNEW 100,000% that I was going to Buy it, and I Now Have!
So.... I GOT the Ship YAHHOOOOOOO!!!(as ya can see from my new avatar picture)!!
And it freaking kicks' Royal BE-Hind !!! I tested it in Battle, No Problem with the turn-rate what-so-ever with me! No problemo!
OH and I TOTALLY LUV the Bridge of the Ship!
Here's the set-up I got , currently. (And I know I don't have to say , though I will, that, it's all "rare" "quality" equipment that I equipped, of course). Now no doubt it ain't the best build , what I got, But it does enough of a good job, that I am FULLY impressed.
Also to point out, I have all Borg tech for engines, shields and deflector .
Ok, alrighty:
Fore:
1- Quantum torpedoe launcher (like those cause of the sound they make ,BWahahaha....what??!?)
1- Disruptor dual heavy cannons
1- Nanite Disruptor dual beam bank
1- Dual Disruptor beam bank
Aft:
1- Quantum torpedoe launcher
3- Disruptor beam array
Consoles:
Engineering:
1- RCS Accelerator
1- Neutronium Alloy
1- Plasmonic Leech
1- Disruptor Auto-cannon
Science:
1- Borg Assimilated Module
Tactical:
5- Disruptor Induction Coil
So I want to Say, Thank You to Those of you who gave Good advice and was not rude at all.
This here is One more STO player that is going to spend more time in the KDF Faction for a while (when I'm not creating Foundry episodes that is).
QAPLA !!!!
Stop calling names. It wasn't a good review. Except maybe for showing where the Targ's sleep.
The rest was junk. If you think it was a good review, great for you. If you think any of the weapon or load out information was good you're mistaken. It was and is garbage.
If you're happy using garbage, good for you guys. Enjoy it.
I haven't posted any UBER builds. I have posted builds using common white gear but that make good use of the strengths of the ship.
So if knowing where the targ sleeps affects your actual gameplay and enjoyment, ok good for you.
...and here I thought the prime suspect for jumping on a poster's keyboard and messing up the post are cats.;)
[just to add a tiny bit of lightheartedness into a thread that seems to grow grumpier by the minute]
LOL Thank you. I think this thread needed that.
Hmmm......I'm getting the vibe that you don't like the targ! :eek: Why don't you like the targ?