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Science Vessels....wow!
annahmaria1
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So I've been messing around with tactical for the longest time. Then a friend convinced me to go Science. I had a misconception that the Science Vessels would be akin to the healer class....great at heals...not so much on damage.
I couldn't have been more wrong. I have been tearing through Battleships like they were paper!
It was slow going until I reached Captain and now...wow.
Space: Gravity Well I and II. I pop disable engines, then GW II and then the debuff on the enemies ship that increases my dps. I watch a "boss" ship go down to 50 percent hull in 8 seconds. Wait 10 more seconds, pop GW 1 and watch it get destroyed...it's shields were still at 100% when it blew up.
Ground: (sorry Im not good with the ability names) but I have two other science officers. We all have tricorder (dps against the enemy) and the radiation II. We all pop em..and 10 of the MOBs just drop with very little fire fight....it makes my teams of plasma II and Photon grenades II look like a lvl one wooden stick.
Should have went science a looong time ago.
I couldn't have been more wrong. I have been tearing through Battleships like they were paper!
It was slow going until I reached Captain and now...wow.
Space: Gravity Well I and II. I pop disable engines, then GW II and then the debuff on the enemies ship that increases my dps. I watch a "boss" ship go down to 50 percent hull in 8 seconds. Wait 10 more seconds, pop GW 1 and watch it get destroyed...it's shields were still at 100% when it blew up.
Ground: (sorry Im not good with the ability names) but I have two other science officers. We all have tricorder (dps against the enemy) and the radiation II. We all pop em..and 10 of the MOBs just drop with very little fire fight....it makes my teams of plasma II and Photon grenades II look like a lvl one wooden stick.
Should have went science a looong time ago.
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I have no desire to PvP...never have in any MMO and never will
Science is just...ok i suppose.
Science got nerfed pretty hard back in the day, its never been the same since.
This isn't proof that escorts are 'better' than Science ships, just that the PVP mechanics are terminally broken.
Damage is the basis of any form of success in STO. PVE or PVP. If you do not do anything to contribute to that, then you're a liability to the team, esp. in high-end PVE where time is ticking. A team of Escorts would absolutely rip apart an STF compared to a team of Cruisers or SCI Vessels. And those Escorts would quickly, and easily get the optionals because, hey, if in doubt, pour more fire and torpedoes into the targets. Not saying a Cruiser / SCI Vessel heavy team cannot do it, but they will be finishing with less time left, and any mistakes would make them take longer and risk not making optionals.
Escorts, SCI Vessels, and Cruisers all get the job done. However, when it comes to getting things done quick and in an efficient manner, Damage is king, and Escorts are supreme (still) in STO, simply because they can quickly apply the damage the best in the game. Cruisers and SCI Vessels just take too long, or are along to act as healbots for Escorts.
Not really about PvP either, in PvE science is just a weak class. very usefull though but solo or in full teams of just science compared to full teams of engi or tac they can be a joke compared to what they should be. the Trinity is broken when PWE/Cryptic give no love to Science and the trinity could make the game awesome.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Never done any ESTF with a full team of properly equipped beam boats with skilled captains have you? Everything melts like butter on a hot summer day in death valley and nobody dies once. full team of equal escorts and tac captains and someone will die.
But you wont see that on a pug or see it admitted on the forums...
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
That's all fine and dandy but it's so boring!
I have a tac klink in a cannon equipped BoP, the usual cookie cutter damage dealer. I can only fly it in small doses because I get so bored just blasting away enemies in seconds, that isn't a fight, it's a formality - might as well use an auto-resolve feature!
That's why I have a tetryon beam mirror qin as my 'fun ship' - it's a great little brawler, not the best damage it's capable of but it's just so fun to fly. My fed main is an engineer too, the class that is universally bunked by everyone and I always have fun flying cruisers with him.
There is nothing wrong with mixing it up, and if the OP enjoys the career and the 'performance' then there isn't a problem.
Not saying the other captain types and ship types can't do the job... they can. But again, when it comes to efficiently and easily finishing a high end PVE mission, you need to melt the enemy quickly. This is all forced due to mission timers, and also how much more simple and quickly it is to pop a bunch of TAC buffs and start ripping through with some sort of combination of Cannon Rapid Fire, Beam Overload, High Yield Torpedo.
Just saying...
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While you immobilize and damage with your GW's the tacs have a field day pouring damage on.
This goes for every Sci ability from top to bottom. Sci ships can do a lot more than DPS. By neutralizing the enemies' buffs you leave them vulnerable to your other teammates' DPS producers. Want to double the damage done by your escort buddy? Use Tachyon Beam on that engine-run foe and your tac is hitting bare hull for his entire alpha strike. Sure, you can strip a shield and do hull damage too, but a science ship will never produce raw damage like a tac. (Don't try this in PvP. Tachyon Beam is worthless against a player-built ship.)
Science ships can solo, there is no doubt. But where they come into their own is in the 'magic' department. Disable, hold, disrupt, and otherwise make life miserable for those enemy ships and the rest of your team can exploit the opportunities you give them.
Sci/Sci is difficult to play in PvP because the nerf bat hit them pretty hard back when players were complaining how OP they were. But there are useful abilities and most of them involve teamwork to make the most of. Learn to be a support ship and you will far exceed anything you can do solo in a Sci.
[QUOTE=jetwtf;11633931]Not really about PvP [/QUOTE]
I sometimes think that people don't read, they just press an automatic post button.
Still, without sensor analysis and the ability to use GW3, the vet ship is not a good science ship choice, its not a sci ship at all. Just because it has a lt com universal boff station does not make it a sci or engineer vessel. Thats why i hate to see science in escorts or engineers in escorts..Tactical was designed for escorts, they are our "rogue dps", engineers were designed for cruisers, they are our "tanks/Heal", science were designed for science vessels, they are our "CC/Heal". Each of these captain types have special abilities or access to special abilities via skill points that make them special, and using a ship that lacks the proper BOFF seating pretty much nullifies the ability to use those special skills, like GW3 or DE3, etc.
A Tactical officer in an escort with his/her Attack Pattern alpha 3 using DHC's is going to do WAY more dmg than any sci or engineer in that same escort could ever hope of doing. This game is based on a DPS race, so this matters...unless Cryptic changes the way things are going.
Romulan science captain should be in the fleet Ha'nom or mirror sci version. Anything other than that is a waste of sci captain abilities.
I will agree that the engineer would have no chance but with sensor scan science can do pretty well if not slightly better (I haven't read the tooltip recently but I believe it to be -50% target resistances)
As for the whole topic, Tacticals run science ships better than Science, that NEEDS to chance.
...no, just, no.
First of all, here isn't a single healing ability that can be used under a commander sci boff, but there are two that can be used under a commander engi boff. So which ship makes the better healer: sci vessel or cruiser?
Second of all, there is no boff ability that is exclusive or advantageous to a particular class. A boff with FAW3 and APO3 will perform exactly the same under any captain that spent their skill points the same way.
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OP never said anything about PvP and if you read the Op it is about PvE. But happy to see you can pretend to be a no it all on the forums. So happy for you.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Escorts can have different setup, and still do a lot of damage. Also, they don't need 20mil DOFF to reach 10K DPS.
Back to the topic, I play a sci, and was disapointed by the lack of damage from exotic abilities. The only good damaging ability is GW3, tractor beam repulsor also have a high damage output on a fixed target, but otherwise it's just a CC.
However, using Sci powers to increase the efficiency of your tac skill is awesome. GW3 + sensor scan then CSV + AP:B will melt a group of mob. As support DPS/heal they are awesome.
I used the breen ship that way for a while (no GW3 sadly). Now using the Vesta, which is fun (running 130 aux power, aux cannon...).
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
But, that is obviously not allowed as far as all you escort jockeys are concerned, and you therefore just HAVE to preach your "escorts are SO much better" twaddle.
Have tried escorts, and sorry guys, but they are dull as hell to fly, so much so that my TAC toon that has just hit lvl 50 has NEVER flown one, and never will, they may be able to down those poor defenceless TAC cubes in like,2.0 seconds, but wheres the challange in that??
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Spsssh I was thinking the same thing.
You're not VA yet are you OP, haven't done any STFs or Fleet Alerts or even a RA yet have you. Try doing that to the borg, the tholians, or the newest enemies. You'll see what we mean when we say they are all pretty much immune and that these skills need to be changed to exotic damage when their 75% immunity makes them useless, not to mention all of the new escort behaviors in PVE where they just fly around freely like no-ones using tractor beams or GWII or III on them or anything, heck even the well that the Rom skills create doesn't do much to hold ships in place.
Thanks you for proving my point. I wasn't replying to the OP, i was specifically replying to one person, as you can see by the fact that I quoted him, and then answered his point. Now go away and learn to read.
Hahaha PvP.
In a game that has both PvP and PvE, one or the other is always doomed, usually PvP. I only PvP in games that are exclusively PvP and I have no idea why anyone would do otherwise. Boggles my mind.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
Anyone can pop a bugship. There is nothing special about it other than the turn rate, which really dont matter. Anything over 17 turn is just overkill. I have killed many JHAS's with my fleet defiant and my Risian Corvette...hell even my slow snail Scimitar..
The bugship was just promoted so much by the company for sales that people developed this "best escort in the game" mindset...which it might have been back years ago when it came out, but not anymore.
Due to availability of the ship now leads to the stupid prices on the exchange and the fact that it is needed for the hangar pets, which themselves are not even that great next to hangars like the elite BOP"s and meshweavers..