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Only 9 console slots on vet ships??

corvallecorvalle Member Posts: 254 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Romulan Discussion
So, the veteran ships have only 9 console slot? Is this a practical joke, a bug or are you people serious?

If this is supposed to be the intended amount of console slots for a 1000 day veteran reward, im very sorry I ever spent money on a lifetime sub. :(
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    johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Same as the Fed Vet and KDF Vet IIRC
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    corvallecorvalle Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    johnny111971 wrote: »
    Same as the Fed Vet and KDF Vet IIRC

    Ive never bothered to look or even use them..the romulan version looked appealing to me, so I decided to requisition it. It took me all of 10 minutes to go back to the shipyard and change back to the fleet mogai lol.

    I feel ripped off to be honest, especially for a $300 lifetime sub ship.
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    johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well... i guess it all depends on when you subbed tbh.

    I subbed prior to the fleet system and their 10 console ships, so the 9 console Vet ships were pretty competitive... they still are, at least for those who didn't buy a fleetship, or have a Lockbox ship.

    I also don't look at my LTS in terms of 1 ship. We got a variety of things... If you bought the LTS for the ship... that was a pretty bad move. In the end, I don't believe you bought the LTS for the ship... focus on that.
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    mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    corvalle wrote: »
    Ive never bothered to look or even use them..the romulan version looked appealing to me, so I decided to requisition it. It took me all of 10 minutes to go back to the shipyard and change back to the fleet mogai lol.

    I feel ripped off to be honest, especially for a $300 lifetime sub ship.

    how is one less conole going to affect you?:confused:

    if you are good with the ship, a single console should not matter
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    reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,168 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    corvalle wrote: »
    Ive never bothered to look or even use them..the romulan version looked appealing to me, so I decided to requisition it. It took me all of 10 minutes to go back to the shipyard and change back to the fleet mogai lol.

    I feel ripped off to be honest, especially for a $300 lifetime sub ship.

    Yes, because that one ship is the only perk to a LTS. :rolleyes:

    You saw enough that the romulan Vet ship looked appealing, but you didn't read the dev blog that said it had 9 consoles. Awesome research skills.
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    corvallecorvalle Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    reximuz wrote: »
    Yes, because that one ship is the only perk to a LTS. :rolleyes:

    You saw enough that the romulan Vet ship looked appealing, but you didn't read the dev blog that said it had 9 consoles. Awesome research skills.

    It is not just the fact that it has less consoles than some ZEN store and all fleet ships in the game, but that it prolly has the LOWEST shield modifier in the game as well.

    For a $300 ship, this is not acceptable. How hard can it be to bring it up to at least zen store or fleet specs? And not only does it only have 9 consoles, one of them has to be taken by the Tactical module, so in reality, its only an 8 console ship..it needs a total of 10 slots, end of story. And bring the shield modifier up to par... .8? is just to low for a destroyer class vessel
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    alopenalopen Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    corvalle wrote: »
    It is not just the fact that it has less consoles than some ZEN store and all fleet ships in the game, but that it prolly has the LOWEST shield modifier in the game as well.

    For a $300 ship, this is not acceptable. How hard can it be to bring it up to at least zen store or fleet specs? And not only does it only have 9 consoles, one of them has to be taken by the Tactical module, so in reality, its only an 8 console ship..it needs a total of 10 slots, end of story. And bring the shield modifier up to par... .8? is just to low for a destroyer class vessel

    Ok 1) I think the B'rel Retro has the same shield modifier with only 9 consoles, and that ship rocks. Maybe slightly outdated post LoR but still a nice ship. And 2) you seriously paid $300 only for the ship :eek: .
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    varnoukhvarnoukh Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Aren't you also ignoring the fact that the vet ships have 2 universal boff stations? They might be one console short compared to fleet ships but they are more versatile.

    With only 2 science consoles they don't make the best science ships but you can easily switch boffs to take on different roles. That can be handy in STFs if you start one and find the team is short on eg. heals.
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    axellightningaxellightning Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well someone learned the hard way... :rolleyes:

    All vet ships have 9 consoles, always have.
    Feel free to join one of the many 'vet ship upgrade' threads ;)

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=787211&page=5
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    alfamegaalfamega Member Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mewmaster101 wrote: »
    how is one less conole going to affect you?:confused:
    right... are you nuts or what?

    another science slot means additional field generator with up to +20% on shield.
    another engi console means up to 20% resistance against damage.

    don't try to tell "its nothing". especially on a ship already with 0.8-0.9 shield modifier.
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    vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,520 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    alfamega wrote: »
    right... are you nuts or what?

    another science slot means additional field generator with up to +20% on shield.
    another engi console means up to 20% resistance against damage.

    don't try to tell "its nothing". especially on a ship already with 0.8-0.9 shield modifier.

    Agreed, let's not forget that it's lotus ability takes up a precious console slot too, so we're infact dealing with eight console slots to work with.

    But as it was mentioned earlier, there are plenty of threads asking for another console slot for vet ships.

    It's a pretty ship tho, too bad we can't get a fleet version.
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    oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yea bummer it only has 9 slots.. maybe now the syudio with think of doing a fleet version now that we have all 3 faction vet ships.

    yea LTM membership cost.. bummer that.. and I know that 500 zen per month is just horrid.. and so are the uniform pieces.. and shinies... and never ever having to pay a sub again but still get all the sub goodies... and please.. as an orginak LTM holder from game launch.. instant access to the vet ships..and remeber vet rewards go to all of your characters.

    I don't have a 10 console ship for any of my roms yet, and its not a bad ship for PvE at all.
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    stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    corvalle wrote: »
    Ive never bothered to look or even use them..the romulan version looked appealing to me, so I decided to requisition it. It took me all of 10 minutes to go back to the shipyard and change back to the fleet mogai lol.

    I feel ripped off to be honest, especially for a $300 lifetime sub ship.
    You paid $300 for one ship you didn't have the stats for until very recently? That's...

    That's extraordinary.
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    daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    alopen wrote: »
    you seriously paid $300 only for the ship :eek: .

    ppl been doing that from the first lock box ship
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,827 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    vengefuldjinn wrote: »
    Agreed, let's not forget that it's lotus ability takes up a precious console slot too, so we're infact dealing with eight console slots to work with.

    But as it was mentioned earlier, there are plenty of threads asking for another console slot for vet ships.

    It's a pretty ship tho, too bad we can't get a fleet version.

    You're not forced to use the console just like the fact that the console gives you more than the lotus. The Dynamic Tactical System is probably one of the best consoles around...the only thing I would wish really changed is maybe lowering the cooldown a bit on the TIB and Lotus.
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    eldritchxeldritchx Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Put in a Field Generator console into a Fleet Mogai. Now it has 9 slots left. How far behind is the Daeinos in shields when you factor in the innate +30 shield systems? That's where the console slot went btw. Same for the other Vet ships. You don't get that +30 for free. And the lower shield mod is probably there to balance that too.
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    alfamegaalfamega Member Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    eldritchx wrote: »
    You don't get that +30 for free. And the lower shield mod is probably there to balance that too.
    as if this +30 _on skill_ would result in woooping +30% on shield.
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    shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Vet ships for Fed and KDF were relevant for being the only escorts that could really run 2x AtB without giving up anything. You can put it on other escorts, but it generally hurts your survivability and you wind up with more Tac powers than you need. The Vet ship's layout is perfect for AtB. Lt.Cdr Uni becomes Lt. Cdr Eng, plus the Lt. Eng. What remains is a Cdr Tac, a Lt. Sci, and a Uni. Ensign. No more than you need, no less. Perfect. The KDF version was even better for the inclusion of the battle cloak.

    With Romulans, that has become somewhat less relevant. You can run 2x AtB on the Dhelan and the Mogai. It's slightly sub-optimal, but works. The Dhelan for example winds up with an awkward extra Ens. Tac whereas I'd rather have it be universal (or just Eng/Sci). Lacking RSP makes it slightly less durable than my Vet ships, but not terribly so. You can always battle cloak and GTFO, after all. Plus your various singularity powers. The Scimitar has the vet ship's exact same "perfect" Boff layout. Take advantage of the "shields while cloaked" to abuse the hell out of battle cloak and overcome the turn rate issues, and the Scim is just as good if not better than the Vet ship.
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    masterkeychnk5masterkeychnk5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    9 comsoles is dumb, but hey its pretty much a free ship to most older lifetimers and they dont want to discourage all those folks not to gamble with lockbox ships huh?

    Oh btw the shield mod is laughable at best as well, i jumped right back to my tvaro.

    Nice rip off cryptic

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    shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    They haven't ruled out the possibility of a Fleet version. I think they just need to work out how to only make it accessible to people who qualify for the Vet ship.
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    masterkeychnk5masterkeychnk5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    shockwave85 wrote: »
    They haven't ruled out the possibility of a Fleet version. I think they just need to work out how to only make it accessible to people who qualify for the Vet ship.

    Source? or u just babbling out of your mouth?
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    shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Not that I could link off the top of my head, probably in an audio interview along the line. The topic frequently comes up, and the devs have never firmly said "No". More like "not at this time" or "maybe in the future".
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    gemetzelgemetzel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The vet ships are fine. The shield modifier you're referring to doesn't take into account the fact that you get the bonus from Regen Mode even if you don't have the console equipped. You only need the Dynamic Tactical System console to transform and enable to Lotus/weapon bonus.

    As for only having 9 consoles this ship has a passive buff to shields based on the Regen Mode and the Tachyon Inversion Beam ability doesn't require a console to work. With the KDF/Rommie vet ships you also get a built in cloak.

    People need to stop whining about these ships. They're designed to be versatile and they fit the role of a destroyer perfectly.
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    gemetzel wrote: »
    People need to stop whining about these ships. They're designed to be versatile and they fit the role of a destroyer perfectly.

    You're leaving out one smallish piece of information:

    Romulans already have two destroyer type ships that fill the role considerably better, and with superior stats.
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    alfamegaalfamega Member Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    gemetzel wrote: »
    As for only having 9 consoles this ship has a passive buff to shields based on the Regen Mode and the Tachyon Inversion Beam ability doesn't require a console to work.
    that doesn't matter, its a very weak "buff". and the base shield mod is weak.
    weak shield + weak "buff" =/= good tank
    and tachyon beam with 5 min cd isn't something a player could be proud of.
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    gojoredgojored Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I haven't tuned all the romulan ships, but i have flown them.I even made an all uniconsole ship just for fun, (too complicated lol) the Daeinos, the fleet T'Varo retrofit, and the sci based Scimitar (my rommie is a sci captain) are my favorites...so far. My other char is a fed tac, and he mostly flys the jhas, or the jem dread. (i go back through the others just for fun sometimes). The Daeinos is a "sleeper". I'm not even using elite rep gear or powers yet, and this thing turns faster than my bugship, tr=37.1 (yeah i modded it, lemme continue tho) and is very tough to hit as a result. the dual skill settings are definately a plus, nevermind the shield drain and lotus (oddly enough, i dont use the lotus much, nor the thaleron weap in the scim, exept just for fun. If you "tune" your ship and tactics, whatever the ship is, you will be well rewarded if not utterly surprised. I was actually wondering if they were going to call the Daeinos op. I have had awsome success, pugging estf's of all sorts, and i played in an vault mission where we prevented the web from forming....at all. Granted i cant solo that distiction...it took a awesome team effort, but see? thats what it's all about ennyway....tune ship, tune tactics, tune team version of both, tune fleet. Just mess with it a while You'll see. The Daeinos is just fine with nine slots, i't a cool looking rommie escort!
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    marksamuelsonmarksamuelson Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    An extra console slot would be nice, but I don't think that missing it is going to make the ship any less enjoyable for me anyway. I like the BOFF layout that lets me keep what I have on my Fleet Ha'feh and really don't have any complaints about it. It is a sleek looking ship that is fun to fly and has teeth.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,827 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    You're leaving out one smallish piece of information:

    Romulans already have two destroyer type ships that fill the role considerably better, and with superior stats.

    Cept the cost fleet modules or zen and are less versatile when it comes to Boff building.
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    timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited July 2013
    corvalle wrote: »
    It is not just the fact that it has less consoles than some ZEN store and all fleet ships in the game, but that it prolly has the LOWEST shield modifier in the game as well.

    For a $300 ship, this is not acceptable. How hard can it be to bring it up to at least zen store or fleet specs? And not only does it only have 9 consoles, one of them has to be taken by the Tactical module, so in reality, its only an 8 console ship..it needs a total of 10 slots, end of story. And bring the shield modifier up to par... .8? is just to low for a destroyer class vessel

    All the KDF BoPs except for the Fleet ones have lower shield mods than that, just so you know. They also have lower hullpoints and less tactical consoles.

    It is not a 300 dollar ship. It is a perk. It's a bonus. You're presumably getting this ship at 1000 days veterancy. That means you've essentially been getting Gold membership for 400 days, on top of all the OTHER perks 'veterans' get.

    The ship is, for all intents and purposes, free. Unless you are a damned, blind fool and bought a lifetime membership when they were having that 'immediate access to veteran ship' deal for the express purpose of getting the ship, it is free. And if you DID do that, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
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    misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    masterkeychnk5 wrote: »
    Source? or u just babbling out of your mouth?

    ALL Veteran Destroyers are labeled "Prototype", just like the free Oddy and Borty were...which then later reappeared as non-prototype 10 console fleet level ships.

    http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=706571
    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=943251

    "As a 1000-day Veteran, Starfleet has granted you command of this unique new starship - the Prototype Heavy Destroyer: Chimera Class."

    "As a 1000-day Veteran, the Klingon Defense Force has granted you command of this unique new starship - the Prototype Heavy Destroyer: Peghqu' Class."

    "The Romulan Republic has been working on a special new destroyer class Warbird, designed for high-level combat situations. Due to your loyalty as a 1000-day Veteran, the Republic has granted you command of this unique new Warbird - the Prototype Heavy Destroyer: Daeinos Class."

    He's not babbling otherwise what would have been the point of that?
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