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OK. I remember a day so long ago when if you had Mark 12 Omega Ground Gear or M.A.C.O. gear there was purity much no way any one could get away with calling you a Noob.
As much as I like the reputation system for the potential it brings into the game, they ruined the value of the ground gear and destroyed any reason for people other then us ground pounders to bother doing ground Elite STFs. I remember if you had any Omega force mk12 ground set you were the king of ground combat. It represented the time and effort and TRIBBLE you went through to get it. Now its nothing more then a costume option. My entire away team has MK12 Omega Force ground gear. Something I would have thought completely impossible prior to the Reputation update.
If the Developers are going to ruin what it meant to have Omega Force Ground Gear and not fix it they should at least add something in that would allow us ground players to make ourselves stand out so we can have a shield against dumb noobies Trolling us telling us they know better. Like it use to be.
As much as I like the reputation system for the potential it brings into the game, they ruined the value of the ground gear and destroyed any reason for people other then us ground pounders to bother doing ground Elite STFs. I remember if you had any Omega force mk12 ground set you were the king of ground combat. It represented the time and effort and TRIBBLE you went through to get it. Now its nothing more then a costume option. My entire away team has MK12 Omega Force ground gear. Something I would have thought completely impossible prior to the Reputation update.
If the Developers are going to ruin what it meant to have Omega Force Ground Gear and not fix it they should at least add something in that would allow us ground players to make ourselves stand out so we can have a shield against dumb noobies Trolling us telling us they know better. Like it use to be.
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The Devs have also not taken away the title and the tailor option for completing all the optionals, so you still have your bragging rights when you wear the costume and the title.:rolleyes:
It's just been bugged since december, ever since season 7 - making sure you "save 60% time" in getting your ground sets
And I couldn't agree more OP.
The incentive to play ground maps is out the window just like the prestige of the sets is gone.
It used to be you could tell who the groundplayers were, who earned it and knew what they were doing.
Now you got some random player buying end game armor thinking it's going to finally do something for him on the ground showing up for his 3rd infected elite, jumps the triggers, gets killed and ragequits... again.
All of which was brought up before the launch of s. 7 albeit we of course didn't know they would bug the accolades and costumes out too :cool:
If you want to lord over us filthy casuals with cosmetic displays of your l337 sk1llZ that much, I recommend doing all the ground optionals on Elite and getting the costume variant you unlock for doing so, then wear that. Problem solved.
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I do exactly that on my human while going ''haters gonna hate''.
Granted the rep way is nice cause it takes the random chance out of the loot drops. But still, the vast majority of people who grind ISE to pay for their MK XII MACO/OMEGA/KHG/Adapted sets do it to think that 'once i get that set, i will be super awesome at ground stuffs'. Gear does not make you better, time and practice does
And that is why I always make sure I have my optional parts on my Maco costumes, just to show that, yep, I put in the effort
going to be honest here..
the old way to get the borg tech was A LOT better..
you only had to run stfs a few times to get enough to get a xi suit.
then you earned the xii suit..
since the release of reps, i have chars that dont even have the xi suit now.. and the xii gear is insanely expensive.. you still have to run the STFs for it.. then pay DIL on top of the BNP and OM.
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I remember those days, random people asking you where you got that armor and all that.
Now people just enable the visual on their Adapted Armor after grinding countless ISE and think it's good.
Ahh yes, good ol' skill carried the day back before the Rep, because yes, it was skill dependant, you still had to have the skill to get through the Ground ESTF.
Now those pieces are so common that I would imagine 50% or more of the people wear them.
im also betting that 80% of those have never set foot on a ground stf.
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Yeah, not so much man. But nice try
Nope.
Anyone bad at that needs to shoot themselves, space STF's are a thousand times easier.
Annnnd yeah, if you wanna call me an Elitist for actually earning my gear instead of just ezmoding through ISE thousands of times (which is mind-numbingly boring) feel free.
After all, am a MACO *Elite* Commander.
There is no skill, no elitism, to having earned your mk 12 sets before the Reputation system, and I say that as someone who did so, complete with optional accolades. It was purely a matter of stubborn determination and not knowing when to stop doing something that just isn't fun. Grinding The Cure, Ground for two weeks straight to get a Prototype Weapon Drop for my second mk 12 set wasn't "skillful" in any way. Nor was the fact that I despised the mission so much I only played it twice after that when extremely bored and talked into it by others. The fact I got another prototype weapon drop on both of those runs was outright insulting to all the time I invested in getting the first two, in fact.
Anyone who seriously thinks the old drop system was better is delusional, lying, or outright mentally ill. Gozer had a love affair with obnoxious, punishing, time-wasting Everquest 1 style drop systems that made getting what you wanted an exercise in futility at best and outright mocking at worst. There were people who got entire sets over the course of 24 hours or less of play, undoubtedly the masters of "skill" in this game of course, while others labored for months to complete their first mk 12 set. Should it really take over half a year for the average player to complete a single set of gear just to appease your puerile need to feel special?
Oh yeah. As for being an "Elite MACO Commander", well. I can quite comfortably one-up that little bit of ego-flaunting. Try being on the first team to beat No Win Scenario. http://i.imgur.com/Gg8ts.png
I'm elitist in another way. I flaunt my "Kirk's Protege" title - easily the hardest title in the game to get, and nobody even batters an eyelid or knows where it comes from or cares in the slightest.
While loads of people have the Elite Commander accolade (or Team Specialist or whatever it's called for getting all the elite optionals including grounds) Very few have "Critical Thinker" or "Kirk's Protege" from beating Waves 9 and 10 on NWS.
Kirk's Protege.
What's up my "did something actually worthy of being somewhat elitist about and gets to laugh at people crying about mk 12 sets being ~elite~ in the "good old days" of awful loot systems" buddy? :V
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LOL that's the truth, only space STF with some challenge to it is Hive. Most difficult option to get is IGE and I couldn't agree more with the OP. I get tired of people who know more about kage because they have the adapted set on when in fact they don't know squat. It takes practice to do those missions you don't just warp in and blow everything away as fast as possible like ISE. I laugh at the peeps I see with the visuals enabled I wont do that as it shows you didn't really earn it, and I usually have all the optionals done before T5 anyways. I had 2 toons that truly earned the sets, and that's the way I wish it still was as it was much more rewarding.
Hahaha. Hello sir.
Indeed OP, get off your high horse, beat NWS, then come back here and complain :P
Kirk's Protege.
Being completely honest, no it was not. I was running the IGE optionals for month without getting the PSG piece. There were also a lot of complaints about the system, as whole. For example I could not mix Mk11 and MK12 pieces without losing the set bonus and as I wrote before: Complete all optionals and unlock the uniform and maybe then you have the right to brag. The old system was just plain poor design.
I also think memorizing invisible trigger lines does not really equal skill.
And we have our first PvPer pretending that playing a no stakes game of ego feeding is ~elite~ now! Big surprise they're of the opinion something else that was equally meaningless as anything but a measure of determination and stubbornness is also ~elite~.
That said I absolutely disagree with him. Not only for the obvious reasons of 'get over yourself' and, for that matter, see my signature, but also because many people who share his sentiments make comments like this
You earned it the same way they did, by grinding elite borg missions over and over. You ground out the ground missions, they did space, or a mix of both. How you chose to get there is irrelevant.
Oh that's right, ground is universally acknowledged as 'harder' so because you did it the hard way you're better? And you want others to know you're better?
Gratz, I admit to all within reading distance baelogventure is super cool, and way better at STO than me! I am but a mite on the flea of the dog who begs to pee on mighty baelogventure's mk XII boot, and I seriously could not give one rodent's behind about it.
Again, I refer you all to my signature for further clarification. If that does not resolve your rampant narcissism borne of feelings of inadequacy in real life, I further refer you to your local psychiatrist.
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Do some of you people seriously think that completing the optional goal had anything to do with getting the prototype drop..? Even Gozer, the Great Satan himself, admitted that it was nothing but a random loot bag pulling from 3 separate loot tables to determine the rewards.
The skill is not from the stubbornness of running the mission over and over again for the random drop. It's from actually running the mission to begin with.
Before in order to get the parts for the set, you had to actually run the mission, which implies you knew had at least a passing knowledge of how the mission works. Now, you can just buy your way to the set by running ISE (or any of the spaces for that matter, but lets be honest most just milk ISE) over and over until you have the marks and such for the projects.
That is where we are stating the skill comes from, by actually playing the mission. Many are getting the set without ever stepping foot onto the ground missions, running the set thinking they are hot stuff, then getting handled whenever they bother even trying ground
And for the record, i know that the accolade/optionals had nothing to do with the chances to the proto drop in the past. My point is purely from the fact that people had to actually play the missions to get the gear in the past whereas now you don't
You just can run into Manus's room or Armek's dome and beat your face against it and expect to complete it.
Manus and Armek, actually require Ground Skill, unless you have a Sci Medic Tank and then all of that goes out the window because the boss battle becomes a Faceroll, but actually getting to Manus does require skill, as does getting to Tosk, since you won't be going anywhere if you can't get past the lowering of force fields.
Getting the optional in all 3 also requires skill.
Did everyone always have a Sci Medic Tank to solo the bosses if needed? No.
Did everyone always follow the plan for Armek and Manus? No.
The current closest thing we have to a No Win Scenario on the ground is defending the Warp Core against the Tholians, and even then that's pretty easy, but still fails due to what. Lack of skill.
I find it extremely amusing that someone is acting Elitist himself as well as being extremely derogatory over everyone else because he beat the No Win Scenario. Oh, did that require skill, or did you just smash your face into it until you actually "got it"?
Do yourself a favor and just stop posting in the forums.
The introduction of this timegate rep system pretty much de-valued all the STF gear. I used to have a reason to enjoy running STF's. It was that feeling that today might be the lucky day, I just might get a good piece of salvage, i might not. But at least I had a reason to run the STF's and enjoy it other than the boring mark/dil grindfest that it has become.
I had the Mk XII space set , it took me awhile, but it was fun to obtain it, and the satisfaction of knowing that I earned it. With the rep system, you dont earn anything, you just know exactly how many stf's you need to afk through or sleep through to get X amount marks to slide the little bar to the right and bam!, mark xii purple quality end game gear..
i wish they would go back to the way it used to be , like ALL other MMO's. You run elite mode group content, or raids (which dont exist in STO) and have a chance , just like the rest of the group to get some nice armor, depending if you complete the optional of course, which would take player skill as well as luck.
The old system was much more fun, ALOT cheaper (did not cost DIL and Expertise or rep. materials) and it felt more like an MMO. Now, the game has become a endless grindfest and timegate...welcome to a PWE game.
You're kind of cute. You still think it's skill. It isn't. Running those missions isn't skillful. It proves you're capable of putting up with something that isn't particularly fun. You didn't have to know how the mission works, you merely had to follow a guide or listen to someone else tell you what to do. There's no "skill" there, just basic gameplay knowledge. Basic gameplay knowledge that is completely useless outside of those 3 missions because nothing else in the game expects that sort of behavior from you, at that.
They still have to play missions. They can even play the ground ones if they want. They're not locked into endlessly grinding the same mission every hour on the hour trying to get that one. last. drop. they need however. It honestly sounds like you're bemoaning the fact the game dared to get easier and new players don't have to suffer through the same miserable grind that you and I did to get the same equipment.
Honestly? Get over it. It doesn't mean we're ~elite~ for it. It just means we ran more laps in the hamster wheel with nothing worthwhile to show for it but earlier access to equipment and aesthetic choices.
So your entire argument boils down to that you felt satisfied because you suffered through the same small set of content endlessly until you finally got a food pellet. Congratulations!
Thankfully, MMO design has gotten past "grind content, hope for reward" as an endgame concept. Quite thankfully. Gone are the days of having to go and do something you've done countless times before with the vain hope you might get something you need from it. Rejoice! For now you can actually look at your accomplishments. You can measure exactly how far you've come in such a short amount of time! You're free from having to run one damn mission until you get so sick of it you never want to see it ever again!
You are free to run whichever damn piece of Borg related endgame content you want, while still working towards a goal. You gain access to more and more the more times you do this. Your progress is laid out for you. Goals are easily determined. You know what you need to do.
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