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jeffdemerchant
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I can't decide which to buy. Based on overall performance which do you guys prefer? I'm only buying one ship, so the multi-console bonuses of the Vesta Bundle are not a consideration for me.
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Are you looking for a good Federation carrier that is not too science heavy?
We will also need to know whether you are a tac, eng, or sci.
That is pretty much what I'm looking for. I'm an engineer.
You've really got to think of it as an Escort with a Hanger or a Science Vessel with a Hanger than considering them Carriers. The Armitage's console while not the greatest thing ever is a lot of fun when you have just used CSV to take down a shield facing and to pump out a massive swarm of Torpedoes. Note I run the Armitage with a Bio-Neural, DBB & 2 DHC's with 2 Turrets and a KCB in the back, if I wanted to make a Torp boat I'd use the Vesta.
I think the Armitage will have more fire power, the Vesta will have more special abilities (Science) But having said that the Vesta is an incredibly versatile ship and can be made do many jobs well but will do Science better than anything else.
Having said all this when I get back onto my Sci I think I will eventually pick up a Vesta.
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The reason is the following: In terms of a per-craft launch, the Vesta does an actual animation to load it on the rear flight deck before releasing it. While the armitage just launch the ship every half a second. In short, it takes a longer timer to replenish the fighters (which happens quite a bit)
However, as dknight point out, carrier is an extra function - in fact, if you want to play pet master, I recommend you roll a KDF for true carriers, since as both of us know the Atrox just sucks. So it depends on what kind of ship you used to captain, and which is yoru favorite.
Should we ignore the carrier aspect, then here's the thing to consider:
Vesta
-Much Higher shield, which is more important in PvP
-More room for science console. If you are more of a shield-tanker, You can equip it with shield related consoles to increase shield points / shield recovery
-Lt comm Universal Boff and Ensign Uni Boff makes it extremely verstaile
-Heavily AUX based, but forturnately it does have AUX DHC. Couple this with a warp core that have [A->W] and you will still get good DPS. Did I mention it is a very rare XII weapon, such that while still not as good as many fleet grade weapon, is close enough?
-Back to AUX power: If you can some how get GW3 on it, you will have a 2nd "lance" weapon, which is very useful is PvE. The rest of the sci comm can be filled with self-heal that are boosted by Aux power, whiel polarize hull is more effective with Aux. Alternatively, can also slot other science ability.
-Having said that, one less slot on weapon means less flexibility (and less DPS) in terms of weapon load out
-The phaser console beam, if able to connect, can affect shield in addition to hull, making its effective DPS much higher.
-Much more traditional looking ship that you cannot customize (since you are only getting one)
-Sensor analysis and subsystem targeting helps not just you, but also your fighters, since it's a debuff against target.
Armitage
-DPS monster - but also a huge threat generator, making it a bit more squishy simply because you get damaged more often.
-Very tac heavy on BoFF. However, if you cycle at least two capabilities, then it's just right. As a carrier, APB is your friend.
-Cmd engineer = lots of choices for eng ability for self heal.
-The TPDS is okay - more for an emergency situation
-Good turn rate, making it easier to chase down target
-lower shield point. Higher hull point allow one to last a bit longer in PvE, but in PvP, as mentioned, shield is more important.
-Have a fleet variant. If you buy the z-store HEC, you can get teh fleet variant with only 1 fleet module and 20000 fleet credit... provide you can bribe an entry to a tier-5 shipyard, which cost an arm and a leg.
-Forget about traditional startrek fed ship look.
TL;DR: Ignoring hangars, if I must pick one again, I will get the Tac Vesta first, no question asked, simply because it's a pseudo fleet ship that comes with pesudo fleet grade phaser weapon.
HEC being a very good ship is a 9 console ship. and its relatively hard to get a fleet variant because its require tier 5 base.
vesta is a fleet grade 10 console ship already out of the box.
The "main" problem with the Tac Vesta is that it is a "jack of all" and a "master of none". It can heal, but not well. It can DPS, but not well. It can serve as a carrier, but not enough to make it dependable. It can maneuver, but I can't maneuver as well as other ships can. And tanking is completely out of the possibility, as it lacks any kind of engineering focus at any level. That being said, if your SOLELY looking to have fun in PvE missions, the Tac Vesta is just as viable a choice as any other ship.
That aside...if you have any interest in PvP or competitive PvE (harder missions like No-Win, or even the E-STFs these days) you are far better off with the Heavy Escort Carrier. Its a tough little sucker with all that Engineering focus, and it can do just as much DPS as most other comparable escorts and then some thanks to its hanger. If used properly, the HEC can be tough and offensively powerful, even if you only have the 9 console variant and not the 10 console fleet version.
Lastly, when it comes to the respective consoles of the two ships; the Tac Vestas console, the Quantum Field Focus Controller, is a helluva console in PvE, as it fires a mother-of-all-phaser beams that can be sustained for as long as 12 seconds if you can keep it focused. Its potent, but it has two problems; #1, if your target moves out of your firing arc for even a second, the beam shutdowns and you can't use it until its 3-minute cooldown finishes, and #2, like most Federation special weapons, it forces you to use a phaser setup to get any decent amount of damage out of it. The HECs console, on the other hand, does not require consoles to be effective, and can essentially clear the area around your ship of all enemy fighters, mines, platforms, and frigates in two seconds flat, making it far more useful (in my opinion).
So, to put it shortly; if your a Science toon, run phaser weaponry, or are looking for a leasurely PvE-only experience, then by all means, roll the Tac Vesta. But for anything else, I'd really have to recommend the HEC as being the better ship, easily.
It has a very good look.
Its BOFF layout is the best.
Its console layout is really good.
Its hangar bay makes it a devasting PVP ship.
Its Torpedo Point Defense is the ultimate destroyer in PVPs, as it is a one shot killer (if you know how to use it).
some people told its squishy, but it isn't true ...
a friend of mine used it for long time, and he said it is the best ship ever (and I fully agree).
However, the Vesta is also a good ship
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I find the Vest to be a very capable ship, regardless of captain type or layout. But you're spot on in saying it's a 'master of none' when it comes to the tac version. I still fly the sci version; and had fun for a time with a engineering version.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=scivestamike1_0
I don't know off the top of my head which warp core I was using but I have over 20k shields and can really be annoying and keep up in DPS plus keep my team alive. I also run 3 x damage control engy's and a warp core engy.
Vesta is better for PVP, and more supportive roles in PVE (but as PVE does not support support roles, the HEC beats it).
I would personally suggest buying the tac vesta, and not bothering with the HEC, just unlock the FHEC with 20 mil EC and 20k FC. its cheap, and you also get the vesta
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Um, that really needs a lot of work. Broadsiding with a sci ship is almost never a good plan, and with GW and Tachyon Beam your build is no exception, switch to a front focused setup (single cannons, DBBs, DHCs, and even torps are viable in front, with turrets in back). 2 copies of Tac Team and no offensive tac abilities is really a waste except maybe in PvP, just use TT1 and put something to boost your main weapons in the Lt slot. You also really need damage boosting tac consoles, so you have to move those universals out of there. I'd drop the Neutroniums first, with a ship like this you barely notice the loss, and then start dropping Field Generators. Also, there's no benefit at all to running the Borg engine with 2 piece MACO, the Borg engine just doesn't really have any advantage over the MACO one and doesn't give you any set bonuses.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=tacvesta1mike_0
I disagree, T5 Shipyards aren't easy to access. You could have more than 1 character.
Buying the HEC, net's you a great visual (Akira is still an awesome looking ship) a 4 Module Discout, and possibly one of the most fun consoles I've ever used.
6 Torpedoes at 1300 (Base mine is at 1600) damage at up to 8 targets. 48 Photons spammed on a 3min cooldown.
I admit I'm missing a Zero Point console because of it, but one day I'll upgrade to the Fleet version.
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