IIRC the first costume slot must be an actual duty uniform, so they could code into spacedocks that you can only use duty costumes, with it defaulting to the first slot if you're in something off-duty. Problem solved, everyone gets what they want.
Except aren't spacedocks supposed to be brimming with civilians and people in viking costumes on the way to the holosuite, etc.
I think a lot of these complaints stem from metagaming, which is where you use non in-character knowledge to make decisions.
Mechanically, you know that other players are Federation or Klingon aligned.
But your character SHOULDN'T know that. Just as your character shouldn't know what the names of strangers are.
The way I see it, if people want to RP and walk around in uniform all day then let them. But we shouldn't force everyone to wear certain things in certain places (unless it's part of the story of a mission or something, such as "temporal ambassador").
Really, I think the argument that being on duty means we have to be in "uniform" at all times is absurd. The game has never had a "uniform" to speak of, to which the existence of the tailor and customization options attests. If the game were truly meant to be played in uniforms, then there would be no tailor. Sh*t bust.
Leave the restrictions off and rely on peoples own self discipline. If they want to wear the uniforms then that is their business.
I think they wanted to find a way to limit the swim-wear to Risa to keep the pervs/virgins from running around with them everywhere they go.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
The way I see it, if people want to RP and walk around in uniform all day then let them. But we shouldn't force everyone to wear certain things in certain places (unless it's part of the story of a mission or something, such as "temporal ambassador").
Really, I think the argument that being on duty means we have to be in "uniform" at all times is absurd. The game has never had a "uniform" to speak of, to which the existence of the tailor and customization options attests. If the game were truly meant to be played in uniforms, then there would be no tailor. Sh*t bust.
Leave the restrictions off and rely on peoples own self discipline. If they want to wear the uniforms then that is their business.
See... Now that wouldn't bug me, if it were mission rather than location based. Certain missions might just nudge you into "slot 1" and you could include dailies that do that on ESD.
However, I don't think ESD is a purely military installation or that everyone there is there on military business.
People do wear other stuff on starships too and about half the movies had large chunks of the cast out of uniform for most of the action. See: Star Trek 3, 4, 5, First Contact, and Insurrection. And TMP, 2, 6, and Generations had a wide variety of uniform variants in them.
We also have stuff that may or may not be Starfleet uniforms, such as Kirk's pants suit from 3/4, Kirk's vest from Generations, and Garth of Izar's jumpsuit.
There's a topic I (and maybe I'm alone in this) would like to see broached:
Is Garth of Izar's outfit a pre-Pike Starfleet uniform?
We see one person wearing the jacket in "Journey to Babel" and Galactic High Commissioner Ferris in "The Galileo Seven." Some sources like "All Good Things" indicate senior officers are allowed to wear outdated uniforms.
See... My fan take on that is that Garth's outfit WAS a Starfleet uniform. Probably following the Enterprise jumpsuits and the Kelvin outfits but before the sweaters seen in "The Cage." It works in a backwards way as a dressy evolution of the Enterprise jumpsuit. And I'd establish white stitching for command (as seen with Garth and Ferris), green for sciences, and orange for ops as a nod to the later WoK uniforms.
(BTW, I'd love a Garth of Izar costume with the option to mismatch the boot colors.)
We've been asking/pleading for swimwear since almost three years ago. There hasn't been the slightest indication that the devs/CBS are budging on it, at all.
On the contrary... the line about "no swimwear will be provided" in the Risa announcement indicates Cryptic considers it a done deal, for all time.
Most of the options listed here (except for maybe the "forced uniform" like in Temporal Ambassador) would require some form of new tech. And I'll be honest; I'm a lifer, and I love this game, but when it comes to "adding new tech for a minor feature" and saying "We'd like to, but that would require new tech," Cryptic tends to aim for the latter the vast majority of the time.
So, just pretend your Fed captain grew up in Arizona like Chakotay and Risa actually feel chilly to them, hence the LONG-SLEEVED off-duty shirts and ROLLED-UP shorts.
(Yes, I'm very disappointed in the "Risian" outfits. But, maddeningly, the jetpacks and the resort map are awesome.)
The character loading screen was a bit slow on one occasion, and I noticed the chest load completely before the shirt and the rest of the models.
This was done with the beachcomber outfit, which comes with the explorer top.
Disregard the flowers. I was curious, the grind for Lohlunat favors was a pain, and I didn't want them to go to waste.
I'm still grinding for another beachcomber/explorer set on my alien to see if they have textures underneath. Maybe someone out there has it and could try taking screenshots?
The character loading screen was a bit slow on one occasion, and I noticed the chest load completely before the shirt and the rest of the models.
This was done with the beachcomber outfit, which comes with the explorer top.
Disregard the flowers. I was curious, the grind for Lohlunat favors was a pain, and I didn't want them to go to waste.
I'm still grinding for another beachcomber/explorer set on my alien to see if they have textures underneath. Maybe someone out there has it and could try taking screenshots?
So, they're not lazy, they just don't want players to have these costume options. Everyone was thinking that Cryptic didn't give males bare chests because they'd have to create new assets for Caitians, but now that we know they've already done it, there's really no excuse.
From all the various post about this subject there seems to be two main issues:
1: That the desired outfits cause wears to become too "sexually objectivified". Regardless of all the pro and cons people have raised about this issue the final result is that its a personal choice. Some people find them offensive well others don't. So Cryptic has chosen to error on the side of caution and say no bikinis or speedos.
2: That the desired outfits break imersion by having players run around EDS, DS9 and other places "On duty" in said outfits. Problem is that assumes that the players characters are always on duty. There is a ton of material from the shows showing starfleet members off duty and not in their uniform, from background npcs in ten forward on TNG to the various times we see O'brien and Bashir in strange costumes heading to or coming from the holosuites on DS9.
My personal issues are its one thing to say no swimwear, ok fine, but don't then create a entire place stuffed full of npcs running around is the type of outfits you say we can't have. Thats just a big old double bird straight to the player face.
And theres more to the whole beach attire then swimsuits. Why no sunhats, sun visors, eye protection that wasn't designed on an old 386, tee shirts, tank tops, various shorts, from knee length to short shorts, wraps for the shoulders and waist for females, flip flops, sandals, or barefoot, etc.
Funny thing is that all the female MU outfits are a hundredfold more provocative than swimsuits, simply because they are designed that way specificly for the sole purpose of showing off female skin, even canonicly.
From all the various post about this subject there seems to be two main issues:
1: That the desired outfits cause wears to become too "sexually objectivified". Regardless of all the pro and cons people have raised about this issue the final result is that its a personal choice. Some people find them offensive well others don't. So Cryptic has chosen to error on the side of caution and say no bikinis or speedos.
2: That the desired outfits break imersion by having players run around EDS, DS9 and other places "On duty" in said outfits. Problem is that assumes that the players characters are always on duty. There is a ton of material from the shows showing starfleet members off duty and not in their uniform, from background npcs in ten forward on TNG to the various times we see O'brien and Bashir in strange costumes heading to or coming from the holosuites on DS9.
My personal issues are its one thing to say no swimwear, ok fine, but don't then create a entire place stuffed full of npcs running around is the type of outfits you say we can't have. Thats just a big old double bird straight to the player face.
And theres more to the whole beach attire then swimsuits. Why no sunhats, sun visors, eye protection that wasn't designed on an old 386, tee shirts, tank tops, various shorts, from knee length to short shorts, wraps for the shoulders and waist for females, flip flops, sandals, or barefoot, etc.
What exactly does anyone do at ESD that qualifies as "on duty"? It's a leisure port.
As amusing as a Gorn in a speedo might be, I really don't think I'd want to see a Tellarite running around in a bikini or a Lethean chilling out on the beach with sunglasses and swimming trunks...
I believe some of the devs are on record as saying that swimwear costumes could be considered a bridge too far in terms of immersion-breaking, and that they were reluctant to go down that road. CBS might not approve, either.
That type of reason was valid when there was still a bit of canonicity to STO. These days you can find yourself surrounded by enemy vessels right outside of ESD. To me, we crossed the immersion bridge a few miles back and have in fact crossed several other bridges since then.
Funny thing is that all the female MU outfits are a hundredfold more provocative than swimsuits, simply because they are designed that way specificly for the sole purpose of showing off female skin, even canonicly.
Not only that, but they're considered proper, on-duty uniforms for a militarized institution.
What I find amusing about the NPC's in swimsuits is the fact that whoever made them for that map apparently didn't realise the female chest slider goes down as well as up.
Some of them could use their chests as flotation devices if someone gets into trouble whilst out at sea :P
What I find amusing about the NPC's in swimsuits is the fact that whoever made them for that map apparently didn't realise the female chest slider goes down as well as up.
Some of them could use their chests as flotation devices if someone gets into trouble whilst out at sea :P
Wait, what? There's a slider that isn't set to max all the time?
So many good points made here. Now to see what Cryptic does with it (if anything).
The character loading screen was a bit slow on one occasion, and I noticed the chest load completely before the shirt and the rest of the models.
This was done with the beachcomber outfit, which comes with the explorer top.
Disregard the flowers. I was curious, the grind for Lohlunat favors was a pain, and I didn't want them to go to waste.
I'm still grinding for another beachcomber/explorer set on my alien to see if they have textures underneath. Maybe someone out there has it and could try taking screenshots?
Nice finding. Although if you test with aliens, my guess is that the human torso will be shown, only in different colors. I'd test with Saurians or the other more exotic races.
The character loading screen was a bit slow on one occasion, and I noticed the chest load completely before the shirt and the rest of the models.
This was done with the beachcomber outfit, which comes with the explorer top.
Disregard the flowers. I was curious, the grind for Lohlunat favors was a pain, and I didn't want them to go to waste.
I'm still grinding for another beachcomber/explorer set on my alien to see if they have textures underneath. Maybe someone out there has it and could try taking screenshots?
I just noticed my Liberated Borg male barechested before he fully loaded when the game started up, before the Explorer shirt loaded in, as well. I'm irritated anyway, cause when I first saw the Beachcomber thumbnail as having just pants, I was hoping it came with a barechested option. I feel ripped-off in buying it. I came to the forums hoping it was a bug.
So, they're not lazy, they just don't want players to have these costume options. Everyone was thinking that Cryptic didn't give males bare chests because they'd have to create new assets for Caitians, but now that we know they've already done it, there's really no excuse.
Yes, we need bare chested options. I play this alternate with SWtOR and it has had barechested armors for weeks now, even Cathar.
Theres two issues to why we'll never really see swimwear in this game:
The first of which has been a huge thorn for me since i use the infected complexion a lot. Originally the game was built with uniforms that only showed the head and hands, and therefore the custom skins were made only for the head, which is already half assed since the hands were left out from the start. Shortly after launch they started releasing a few open uniform options which clearly showed the issue of all the skins ending at the neck. As more and more open uniforms came out it was just more and more obvious, yet nothing was done with the exception of the Gorn and later Trill Spots due only in part of a DS9 joke of "Do they go all the way down". Caitians were added after that and got a full skin treatment due to the full body fur needing it. No other skin or complexion extends beyond the neck, not even the normal human ones. the Torso is just a default for all male characters, which is why even the fat clerk on Risa has a six pack. I even managed to get a question about this in an ask Cryptic once and all he said was pretty much "there are no plans to complete them" which just shows the type of planning they out into this game.
The second issue is there's no swim mechanic in the game. At all... There is in the engine since champions has entire underwater maps, but no where in sto is there any water deep enough to submerge you with out crouching or using an emote like sleep. And again since they've put so little effort or thought into a lot of the game, it really just makes the bad stuff look so much worse. There really is no other explaination for why our captains can stand chest deep in water and move as normal as they do on dry land, and because of this they're probably never going to add actual swimwear unless its NPC only.
Nice finding. Although if you test with aliens, my guess is that the human torso will be shown, only in different colors. I'd test with Saurians or the other more exotic races.
This is true. I've had a few... odd loads while cycling chars on Risa and saw just that. the torso loaded first then the uniform, but the torso was almost as featureless as a mannequin. It only showed for a split second and it was erratic so I missed getting any shots of it.
It's not impossible, I just think Cryptic ran out of time.
I dont know how long youve been around but this game is well into year 3....and thats ontop of the 2 years of development. While I enjoyed LoR adding much to the lore and content....There was a lot of smaller minor things this Dev Team could of done to improve the overall gameplay and experience in this game. This game would of received better attention from an independent developer then it has from Cryptic. And the games been sub-par even for a F2P game since the beginning.
I think what is annoying me the most about it, is that they just recycled so much of the Orion-wear for Risa... cheapening the Orion wardrobe...
Ok, set up swimwear for the Risa NPC's, and only the NPC's, if you must... but recycling the uniform options of other races out of laziness is insulting.
Say what you want about Orions to begin with, but they are the Orion uniform, and part of the Orion culture, and recycling it as bikini beachwear just cheapens it as if it doesn't count for anything.
I assure you, the Orions think otherwise. This is a mockery of the Orion culture and must be stopped!
I thought the UFP was supposed to be more politically correct and culturally sensitive than to allow this denigration of another culture to continue!
So... to help combat this objectification of the Orion culture and way of life, I'm starting a foundation to combat this injustice to the Orion people. (name to be determined later)
How can you help, you ask?
Well, just send in a meager donation of 2 million EC (or equivalent GPL), and we'll send you a gift to show our appreciation of you as a supporter. (gift also to be determined later)
Won't you please help save the dignity of the Orion people?
I'm not sure how the tech actually works, but judging by that loading screen error and my experiences with fur clipping through the Explorer shirt, I think Caitians have a base model loaded which is then overlaid with the shirt. Otherwise the Explorer Shirt wouldn't clip under the arms when aiming. Can anyone confirm if they have skin showing through with other races when aiming with that shirt on?
Nice finding. Although if you test with aliens, my guess is that the human torso will be shown, only in different colors. I'd test with Saurians or the other more exotic races.
This is true. I've had a few... odd loads while cycling chars on Risa and saw just that. the torso loaded first then the uniform, but the torso was almost as featureless as a mannequin. It only showed for a split second and it was erratic so I missed getting any shots of it.
I had totally forgotten to follow up on this, but here's the verification for Alien torsos:
Sadly, spots and other markings selected do not extend past the neck.
These shots with the torso textures loaded are pretty hard to get on high spec systems without the whole outfit loading almost instantly. I've seen the blank torso loads too, but was also unable to capture it.
Unfortunately, I don't want to start a new character just to grab a screenshot for the other races. I'm curious about Rigelians, Pakleds, and Tellarites in particular. Would they be a strange juxtaposition of creased faces and a smooth bodies, or do they have full torso textures? Anyone have female versions of these with a midriff uniform? What do those look like? Also, I shudder to think what kind of burn victim, Freddie Krueger type bodies Letheans and Nausicaans would have.
Although I always prefer to have more options than limitations, it would be a bit discriminatory to have some races with balanced heads/hands/feet and torsos, while others look sewn together like Frankenstein with mismatched bodies. Not that we don't already have some degree of that, as was mentioned, with older uniform combinations.
Additionally, there are still a plethora of bugs to iron out. I can't imagine any resources being devoted to reworking skins any time soon.
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Aye, us hairy lads need representation! (Say that in your best North Yorkshire accent!)
btw, there is a workaround for orion fems to have bikinis. It's not ideal, but it's there.
Except aren't spacedocks supposed to be brimming with civilians and people in viking costumes on the way to the holosuite, etc.
I think a lot of these complaints stem from metagaming, which is where you use non in-character knowledge to make decisions.
Mechanically, you know that other players are Federation or Klingon aligned.
But your character SHOULDN'T know that. Just as your character shouldn't know what the names of strangers are.
Really, I think the argument that being on duty means we have to be in "uniform" at all times is absurd. The game has never had a "uniform" to speak of, to which the existence of the tailor and customization options attests. If the game were truly meant to be played in uniforms, then there would be no tailor. Sh*t bust.
Leave the restrictions off and rely on peoples own self discipline. If they want to wear the uniforms then that is their business.
Except that already exists in the Cryptic Engine, for Champions Online, so no, they didn't have to do that work at all.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
See... Now that wouldn't bug me, if it were mission rather than location based. Certain missions might just nudge you into "slot 1" and you could include dailies that do that on ESD.
However, I don't think ESD is a purely military installation or that everyone there is there on military business.
People do wear other stuff on starships too and about half the movies had large chunks of the cast out of uniform for most of the action. See: Star Trek 3, 4, 5, First Contact, and Insurrection. And TMP, 2, 6, and Generations had a wide variety of uniform variants in them.
We also have stuff that may or may not be Starfleet uniforms, such as Kirk's pants suit from 3/4, Kirk's vest from Generations, and Garth of Izar's jumpsuit.
There's a topic I (and maybe I'm alone in this) would like to see broached:
Is Garth of Izar's outfit a pre-Pike Starfleet uniform?
We see one person wearing the jacket in "Journey to Babel" and Galactic High Commissioner Ferris in "The Galileo Seven." Some sources like "All Good Things" indicate senior officers are allowed to wear outdated uniforms.
See... My fan take on that is that Garth's outfit WAS a Starfleet uniform. Probably following the Enterprise jumpsuits and the Kelvin outfits but before the sweaters seen in "The Cage." It works in a backwards way as a dressy evolution of the Enterprise jumpsuit. And I'd establish white stitching for command (as seen with Garth and Ferris), green for sciences, and orange for ops as a nod to the later WoK uniforms.
(BTW, I'd love a Garth of Izar costume with the option to mismatch the boot colors.)
On the contrary... the line about "no swimwear will be provided" in the Risa announcement indicates Cryptic considers it a done deal, for all time.
Most of the options listed here (except for maybe the "forced uniform" like in Temporal Ambassador) would require some form of new tech. And I'll be honest; I'm a lifer, and I love this game, but when it comes to "adding new tech for a minor feature" and saying "We'd like to, but that would require new tech," Cryptic tends to aim for the latter the vast majority of the time.
So, just pretend your Fed captain grew up in Arizona like Chakotay and Risa actually feel chilly to them, hence the LONG-SLEEVED off-duty shirts and ROLLED-UP shorts.
(Yes, I'm very disappointed in the "Risian" outfits. But, maddeningly, the jetpacks and the resort map are awesome.)
Caitian Male Bare Chest
The character loading screen was a bit slow on one occasion, and I noticed the chest load completely before the shirt and the rest of the models.
This was done with the beachcomber outfit, which comes with the explorer top.
Disregard the flowers. I was curious, the grind for Lohlunat favors was a pain, and I didn't want them to go to waste.
I'm still grinding for another beachcomber/explorer set on my alien to see if they have textures underneath. Maybe someone out there has it and could try taking screenshots?
So, they're not lazy, they just don't want players to have these costume options. Everyone was thinking that Cryptic didn't give males bare chests because they'd have to create new assets for Caitians, but now that we know they've already done it, there's really no excuse.
I don't know if I can get the mumble down.
1: That the desired outfits cause wears to become too "sexually objectivified". Regardless of all the pro and cons people have raised about this issue the final result is that its a personal choice. Some people find them offensive well others don't. So Cryptic has chosen to error on the side of caution and say no bikinis or speedos.
2: That the desired outfits break imersion by having players run around EDS, DS9 and other places "On duty" in said outfits. Problem is that assumes that the players characters are always on duty. There is a ton of material from the shows showing starfleet members off duty and not in their uniform, from background npcs in ten forward on TNG to the various times we see O'brien and Bashir in strange costumes heading to or coming from the holosuites on DS9.
My personal issues are its one thing to say no swimwear, ok fine, but don't then create a entire place stuffed full of npcs running around is the type of outfits you say we can't have. Thats just a big old double bird straight to the player face.
And theres more to the whole beach attire then swimsuits. Why no sunhats, sun visors, eye protection that wasn't designed on an old 386, tee shirts, tank tops, various shorts, from knee length to short shorts, wraps for the shoulders and waist for females, flip flops, sandals, or barefoot, etc.
What exactly does anyone do at ESD that qualifies as "on duty"? It's a leisure port.
What about the people who work there? :P
That type of reason was valid when there was still a bit of canonicity to STO. These days you can find yourself surrounded by enemy vessels right outside of ESD. To me, we crossed the immersion bridge a few miles back and have in fact crossed several other bridges since then.
... in a galaxy far away.
Not only that, but they're considered proper, on-duty uniforms for a militarized institution.
Some of them could use their chests as flotation devices if someone gets into trouble whilst out at sea :P
Wait, what? There's a slider that isn't set to max all the time?
So many good points made here. Now to see what Cryptic does with it (if anything).
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Nice finding. Although if you test with aliens, my guess is that the human torso will be shown, only in different colors. I'd test with Saurians or the other more exotic races.
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I just noticed my Liberated Borg male barechested before he fully loaded when the game started up, before the Explorer shirt loaded in, as well. I'm irritated anyway, cause when I first saw the Beachcomber thumbnail as having just pants, I was hoping it came with a barechested option. I feel ripped-off in buying it. I came to the forums hoping it was a bug.
Yes, we need bare chested options. I play this alternate with SWtOR and it has had barechested armors for weeks now, even Cathar.
The first of which has been a huge thorn for me since i use the infected complexion a lot. Originally the game was built with uniforms that only showed the head and hands, and therefore the custom skins were made only for the head, which is already half assed since the hands were left out from the start. Shortly after launch they started releasing a few open uniform options which clearly showed the issue of all the skins ending at the neck. As more and more open uniforms came out it was just more and more obvious, yet nothing was done with the exception of the Gorn and later Trill Spots due only in part of a DS9 joke of "Do they go all the way down". Caitians were added after that and got a full skin treatment due to the full body fur needing it. No other skin or complexion extends beyond the neck, not even the normal human ones. the Torso is just a default for all male characters, which is why even the fat clerk on Risa has a six pack. I even managed to get a question about this in an ask Cryptic once and all he said was pretty much "there are no plans to complete them" which just shows the type of planning they out into this game.
The second issue is there's no swim mechanic in the game. At all... There is in the engine since champions has entire underwater maps, but no where in sto is there any water deep enough to submerge you with out crouching or using an emote like sleep. And again since they've put so little effort or thought into a lot of the game, it really just makes the bad stuff look so much worse. There really is no other explaination for why our captains can stand chest deep in water and move as normal as they do on dry land, and because of this they're probably never going to add actual swimwear unless its NPC only.
Sad but true.
I can already see the "only tan from the neck-up" on my male human when he has the wrap-around TOS tunic on. It would look comical shirtless. Too bad.
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I dont know how long youve been around but this game is well into year 3....and thats ontop of the 2 years of development. While I enjoyed LoR adding much to the lore and content....There was a lot of smaller minor things this Dev Team could of done to improve the overall gameplay and experience in this game. This game would of received better attention from an independent developer then it has from Cryptic. And the games been sub-par even for a F2P game since the beginning.
Ok, set up swimwear for the Risa NPC's, and only the NPC's, if you must... but recycling the uniform options of other races out of laziness is insulting.
Say what you want about Orions to begin with, but they are the Orion uniform, and part of the Orion culture, and recycling it as bikini beachwear just cheapens it as if it doesn't count for anything.
I assure you, the Orions think otherwise. This is a mockery of the Orion culture and must be stopped!
I thought the UFP was supposed to be more politically correct and culturally sensitive than to allow this denigration of another culture to continue!
So... to help combat this objectification of the Orion culture and way of life, I'm starting a foundation to combat this injustice to the Orion people. (name to be determined later)
How can you help, you ask?
Well, just send in a meager donation of 2 million EC (or equivalent GPL), and we'll send you a gift to show our appreciation of you as a supporter. (gift also to be determined later)
Won't you please help save the dignity of the Orion people?
-- Smoov
I had totally forgotten to follow up on this, but here's the verification for Alien torsos:
Alien Bare Chest
Sadly, spots and other markings selected do not extend past the neck.
These shots with the torso textures loaded are pretty hard to get on high spec systems without the whole outfit loading almost instantly. I've seen the blank torso loads too, but was also unable to capture it.
Unfortunately, I don't want to start a new character just to grab a screenshot for the other races. I'm curious about Rigelians, Pakleds, and Tellarites in particular. Would they be a strange juxtaposition of creased faces and a smooth bodies, or do they have full torso textures? Anyone have female versions of these with a midriff uniform? What do those look like? Also, I shudder to think what kind of burn victim, Freddie Krueger type bodies Letheans and Nausicaans would have.
Although I always prefer to have more options than limitations, it would be a bit discriminatory to have some races with balanced heads/hands/feet and torsos, while others look sewn together like Frankenstein with mismatched bodies. Not that we don't already have some degree of that, as was mentioned, with older uniform combinations.
Additionally, there are still a plethora of bugs to iron out. I can't imagine any resources being devoted to reworking skins any time soon.