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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=10977581
Reference post number 3 in the above thread. From those results, it appears that Romulan Warbirds have significantly less hull resist than ships of other factions.
This may have some bearing on why Romulan warbirds (particularly the fleet Ha'feh) may seem near-OP on typical specs alone, but actually don't seem very tankable in practice. Combined with the lack of bonus defense escorts normally receive, this may be a fairly significant difference in survivability in exchange for battle cloak.
In my opinion, this rather resembles the SFC method of balancing, where Romulan ships were generally weaker-hulled in exchange for cloak.
Opinions and confirmation? Or am I completely wrong/been living under a rock?
Reference post number 3 in the above thread. From those results, it appears that Romulan Warbirds have significantly less hull resist than ships of other factions.
This may have some bearing on why Romulan warbirds (particularly the fleet Ha'feh) may seem near-OP on typical specs alone, but actually don't seem very tankable in practice. Combined with the lack of bonus defense escorts normally receive, this may be a fairly significant difference in survivability in exchange for battle cloak.
In my opinion, this rather resembles the SFC method of balancing, where Romulan ships were generally weaker-hulled in exchange for cloak.
Opinions and confirmation? Or am I completely wrong/been living under a rock?
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Reposting it here, because I meant to post it here and fudged it. :P
Formula:
Resistance = 1 - (1 / (1 + Total Resist Bonus)
My Base spec:
Threat Control 6 (7.3 resist bonus vs. ALL)
Hull Plating 6 (10.7 resist bonus vs. ENERGY)
Calculated Score:
6.8% vs. Kinetic
15.25% vs. Energy
Actual Score (defense tab listing)
9.4% vs. Kinetic
17.3% vs. Energy
*discrepancy due to accolades, which I am too lazy to worry about atm.
Adding 3 x MK XI VR Monotaniums (+37.5 kinetic resist bonus each)
Calculated Score:
54.5% vs. Kinetic
Actual Score:
52.3% vs. Kinetic
Adding 1 x MK XI Rare Neutronium (+17.5 ALL resist bonus)
Calculated Score:
26.74% vs. Energy
Actual Score:
26.2% vs. Energy
So there are some discrepancies there, it's very likely accolades or due to me rushing this, or due to me just making an error.
However they are close enough that I'm not seeing the level of discrepancy being spoken of in that thread.
I think most people's feeling of their warbird feeling "weaker" derives from them not having all of their rep passives, and possibly none of their rep gear like 2 piece borg or MACO shield, etc.
Maybe the OP was looking with different characters that had different skill points or different deflectors or something
Something occurred to me during my cappuccino.
The Fleet Mogai was recently getting some extremely wonky numbers for Structural Integrity and Starship Impulse Thrusters skills.
It's possible this is the case with some of the Fleet or Standard Warbirds I don't own and haven't noticed.
at least on tribble, this was fixed. i say a patch note regarding some skills over effecting this ship
It has been fixed. My Fleet Mogai had ~10.000 hullpower less after the patch from last thursday.
If this is the case, its probably a bug. Not saying something is OP or not, but unless ship descriptions state that 'base resist is lower' or something or the diminishing returns are high,er they should be the same as any other ship, fed, kdf w.e. and have the same hull resist with the same amount of consoles/ skill tree, etc.
Correct, sorry I meant pre-patch. The Fleet Mogai had Recluse like hull (sitting 60k ish) and pretty top end turn rate.
It's possible that some other ships aren't having their resistances calculated inaccurately, but looking at my own ship I don't see that.