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taltamir
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If I don't click on anything in time, which of those 3 does it default to? (often I am too busy trying not to die to spend time reading up an item's stats trying to figure out if I need it or not)
Also, how does need v greed work? It seems rather stupid to have such a system with drops that bind on equip rather than bind on loot, since bind on equip items can be sold for ec to buy the items you DO need. So in effect everyone "needs" every single item.
So far I just have been quick selecting greed for everything
Also, how does need v greed work? It seems rather stupid to have such a system with drops that bind on equip rather than bind on loot, since bind on equip items can be sold for ec to buy the items you DO need. So in effect everyone "needs" every single item.
So far I just have been quick selecting greed for everything
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If you do not choose, it defaults to pass.
As for the pass v greed, pass is self explanatory. Big surprise, huh...?
Greed is only good if everyone chooses it, or pass. Need will trump greed in the selection. If 4 choose greed, and one chooses need, the need gets it.
It says at the end: "If everyone declares greed, then everyone rolls for the item; if one or more people declare need, only they roll on the item"
It may also say it is polite not to press "need" if you dont intend of using the item but from my experience everybody presses "need" except the too common and cheap things....:rolleyes:
If you dont press something I think it considers as "pass"...
The item can be sold whatever you press
"Greed" is just what it says. You do not "need" the item but would like it so you can sell it for EC, or possibly put it on an alt. If everyone clicks "Greed" it is a dice roll as before. If all but one click "Greed" and one clicks "Need" it goes to the one clicking "Need". Again, if more than one clicks "Need" it is a dice roll for them and "Greed" doesn't get a look in.
"Pass" means "I do not wish to touch this with YOUR bargepole" and is commonly used for low end items and lockboxes
Sadly, the whole need/greed system is a bit of a farce with whole groups clicking "Need" for every item. There are very few (and they tend to be honest people who will only "Need" on an item they genuinely need) who use the system properly.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Yes, I knew that already.
It is utterly without merit in a game where items do not bind on pickup.
It made sense in wow, where it was first introduced, for specific ultra rare items that bind on pickup.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Bind_on_Pickup
This right there is why the "need v greed" system exists. The STO exchange renders such a system moot.
If I get a 30,000 credit console and its not the one I want I can sell it and then use the 30,000ec to buy the one I do want.
As it is the system is rewarding greed and dishonesty, and very strongly encouraging people to be dishonest and roll need for everything.
Thank you.
I guess I better get used to clicking every time.
It should be abolished and replaced with automatic loot deposits to inventory.
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You asked how it worked, I explained, you complain that you knew already?!
Many of us agree the system is stupid and without true merit in this game as almost nothing is bind-on pickup, but it does exist so you have a choice...
a) be honest and only need what you will use immediately, greed to earn EC and buy what you want and pass on all other TRIBBLE;
b) do what a significant number of people do (for various reasons including wanton greed, lack of knowledge of how the system works, laziness, accident, etc.) and just click NEED.
c) ignore the whole thing and fill up a portion of your screen with timers :P
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Channel matches are different... the more traditional Need/Greed/Pass rules apply, just make sure you declare the rule before the match starts). Be prepared to /ignore the needers....
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Ah I see. I meant that I wanted to know the specific mechanics.
That is, does choosing need provide a bonus to the roll, or is everyone who chooses greed is considered to have passed on it.
You explained that "need" means "The idea is that "Need" means you "need" it for that character specifically (the turret/cannon/beam you need to complete your build just right) and that you do not intend to just sell it."
That is what I already knew (since I am familiar with MMOs)
I am all for honor when it makes sense. It doesn't make sense for items that don't soulbind on pickup
Anything else means you don't want it.
It's not dishonest or greedy, its just a stupid question. The drops are vendor trash, they exist to be sold. And everyone needs money.
Need/Greed/Pass is not good for heavy action looting, like most of the space combat, that most of us pug.
When you have 20 ships all firing at your group of 5 and you stop try to determine if the item that just dropped is one you can use, then you run a risk of dying.
If you ignore the loot drop to continue fighting, then you run the risk of the internal timer running out and defaulting to passing.
The only real choice is to choose Need and then review what you got at the end of the match when you leave the map.
The only way ST:O can fix the issue is to kill all individual loot drops during the run, and only permit a single drop at the end. Everyone can then Need/Greed/Pass based on that final loot drop once all combat is over and the match is finished.
In every MMO I've ever played, if you're in a PUG and 'nice/honest' about only hitting 'Need' if you need the item; someone else will ALWAYS hit 'Need' regardless - so again, instead of agonizing over it, just assume everyone does; and if you want a shot at the item in a PUG, hit 'Need'.
And if you're trying to maximize DPS or using other powers effectively, it saves you the headache of trying to evaluate the item (and if you really want to need or greed it) while y9ou're in combat. (Although, to be honest, aside from PvP - none of the PvE content, including Elite STFs ) doesn't require all that much attention compared to say, most of the Boss MOB fights in vanilla WoW's "Molten Core" raid zone did back in the day
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If you honestly "need" an item that drops in an eSTF (except the consoles above), then you need to go back to normals.
I constantly get "need/greed/pass" dialog in normal too and it is all vendor trash.
I spent under 500k ec to fully kit my ship with everything as mk XI blue (for some reason XII greens cost a lot more even though the rarity bonus counts for another rank) when I hit level 50, I now have 1.5 mil in the bank (that is with always passing on stuff) and already got a few better items from (especially good XI purps from mission rewards). Rather than grinding best items in the game (which will come later) I am focusing on dilithium now to expand the bank and later maybe to buy a ship upgrade.
If I ever get that far. Although I might end up getting top gear in exchange just because I am gonna run up to the ec limit in under a week in this rate
I disagree. It isn't an act of selfishness but dealing with a broken system that doesn't suit this game. And most of those people choosing need for everything are not going to do the same in a game like wow where such a system is appropriate.
Also, I tried looking at items before deciding. All I get for that is death or at the very least being a non contributing member for many battles (too busy looking at item stats to focus on killing the enemy).
9/10 times the level 20 is going to sell the item to buy something actually useful for their build.
And I did explain what mechanic is used
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
unless your group is a fleet group or a whole group of friends you need on every thing for their will always be a ninja in the group
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And if you do not see him... the ninja is you! :eek:
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
Yes, thank you.
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Unless this was introduced in the last 5 months, this isn't true. Greed vs. Need has no effect on BoE vs. BoP, in WoW.
In STO, I "Need" everything that drops, even though there is a near-zero chance its an actual upgrade. A couple of points:
Nothing that drops in an STF should be an upgrade, with the very rare exception of a Very Rare Mk XI+ consoles. If an engine, or weapon, or even warp core is an upgrade, and you are in an elite STF, you need to farm up more gear in normals or whatever before playing with the big boys. At a minimum, the AEGIS set (or Breen/Jem'Hadar) with Mk XI very rare weapons for eSTF's. The Nanite disprutors are a good place to start, you can get a full set for around 2 million EC.
Even if I won't be equipping what I get, I *do* however still need drops from STF's, because I can sell them for EC. My need for EC is equal to your need for a gear upgrade. Anything else is presumptuous and selfish.
The cold truth is that if you want a chance to get an item that has dropped, you need to roll Need on it.