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Romulan - FED Cant use any C-store purchases past Captain Rank
dunballa
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Does anyone know why as a Romulan (FED) Vice Admiral I cannot access my C-store purchased FED ships?
Seems Racist. Or is Starfleet Security thinking that our limited selection of warbirds should be sufficient?
Only C-store ships of Captain rank or lower are available. Purchaced ships of higher rank are not available.
Seems Racist. Or is Starfleet Security thinking that our limited selection of warbirds should be sufficient?
Only C-store ships of Captain rank or lower are available. Purchaced ships of higher rank are not available.
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Short answer? You're Romulan. Romulans fly warbirds.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
yep. i remember the big uproar when it was announced rom's get access to allied Fleet ships.
Racist? You kidding?
Yeah, let the Romulans in this game fly ALL the ships in the entire game while Starfleet is limited to Starfleet ships and the KDF is limited to KDF ships.
It's a sure way to remove the need to play anything other than Romulans in this game.
Brilliant.
When you bought those ships, the text explicitly said they're unlocked for your Federation characters.
And Cryptic was nice enough to allow them to be used on your Romulan allied characters...and you call this racist?
Oh, BTW at launch the Feds had 6 ships at max level (Assault&Star Cruiser, DSSV&RSV, Patrol&Advanced Escort) while the KDF had 4 (Negh'var, Qin, Vo'quv, Hegh'ta).
The Romulans have 7.
So what do you call "limited" and "racist" when the Romulans, while brand-new, surpass both?
Romulans have 3, unless you count level 50 C-store ships, at which point you have to count all the C-store ships the other two have as well; the only free t5 ships are the Ha'apax, Ha'nom, and Ha'feh. If you want to count the T'varo, Mogai, Dhalen, and D'deridex retrofits and the Haakona, you'd have to count the Armitage, Atrox, Regent, Vesta, Oddy, etc....
You're forgetting there were literally only those ships since the VA rank didn't even exist.
Yes, OP, the Starfleet are racist that way. :rolleyes: *facepalm*
And if your going to compare the number of At Launch rom ships, you should compare it to the number of At launch ships for the other factions. Cstore ships added after launch dont count of course. because its unfair to count a new faction against 3 years worth of ship additions for other factions.
So for KDF and Fed: All level 50 only ships would be removed from that count, as level 40 was the cap back then. and not counting fleet ships.
So, not counting the different ship skins, Fed had 6 T5 ships, 3 ships each for T 2,3 and 4, and 1 at T1. for 16 ships.
When klingons originally came out, they had a slightly smaller list, if i count correctly, they had 14 ships at launch, maybe even less.
Roms, not counting refits/retorfits and fleet ships, have 8 completely free ships to pick from. now if you want to include refits, retrofits and fleet ships (since they were all in at launch of romulan faction) that number jumps up to..... 23 ships. 26 if you want to include the mirror ships
This is also not including any ships added in after launch, nor small ships.
If you want to include those ships (added in after launch, plus shuttles). the end count is Feds: 97 ships, if you only consider the 3 packs one ship (despite different layouts for the variants) its still 90 ships. KDF gets : 67 (64 without multiships counting as several) Roms: 29 ships.
number of cross faction ships available to all three factions : 13.
so yes, romulan ships are lacking when adding in all the content seen AFTER the launch of said factions, but when you compare day 1 of Fed/KDF against Day 1 of romulans, they faired pretty well.
And even if you count from season 1 "Genesis" when the raised the level cap to 50, the C-Store ships had yet to be released (the Defiant, Galaxy, and Intrepid. The Galaxy X was a ship limited to player recruiters). The Klingons didn't even have a T5 Vor'cha yet! Apples to oranges, dude. Romulan characters are starting out of the gate in a much better position than Klingons.
I would call you a troll, but I know better. And Devs wonder why so many veteran/lifetime members complain about the game going into the crapper after F2P. Paid subscription kept the rifraf and rabble out of the game.
honestly i find what you say about us f2p players very offensive and second cryptic could have taken alittle more time before launch and added a bit more rather then runing with the same old gimmick pwe uses in all there games
This is probably the most stupid comment of this forum. "Racist"? Really? So what are you going to do? Sue Cryptic on behalf of the Romulans? LOL
P.S. Romulans started off MUCH better than the KDF.
and if they held off players would be in an uproar about cryptics broken promises again if may 21st (hard set date before they even announced the faction) had come by an no update.
LOL. God you guys are hilarious. You do know that the majority of C-store purchases are made by F2P players? You do know that the majority of Zen that is bought either online or via game cards is by F2P players? You do know that the majority of money flowing into the game is courtesy of F2P players? F2P is keeping this game ALIVE bucko.
And Devs wonder why so many F2P/No money members made their game better after F2P. F2P kept the game alive and provides great entertainment to the F2P guys courtesy of the whiny P2Pers.
P.S. For the record, almost all of the P2Pers I know in game and IRL are happy the game went F2P, and those that aren't happy simply don't care. They are happy because F2P increased the diversity and size of the playerbase, and overall made the game better, since more players meant more peeps in the queues, which meant more gameplay overall, more bugs getting caught and fixed, and more incentive for the Devs to add new content/improve existing content.
Face it, you're part of an elitest whining MINORITY that just can't handle the fact that the game isn't theirs exclusively anymore. Learn to share.
HERP A DERP!!!!
you sure? I rarely use the zen market except ot sell extra zen for dil. i buy zen and a lot of it, for keys, which i use, i dont sell them. I bought all the 3-pack ships so far. I bought every single carrier in the game from all factions, I bought lobi store ships with lobi i EARNED myself. I also purchased a LoR starter pack.
I've sent most likely over a thousand dollars on the game so far, probably closer to two.
and I've been a lifetime sub since day one. sure, the sub helps lower the amount of zen i have to buy, but to say that F2Pers are the ones that are keeping the game alive is just as false. There are F2Pers out there that have never spent a single cent of real money on the game.
I like it this way
Because if you wanted to use Starfleet vessels at endgame, you need to... play a Fed toon.
Because if you wanted to use KDF vessels at endgame, you need to... play a KDF toon.
Because if you wanted to use Romulan vessels, you need to... play a Romulan toon.
/classdismissed
I recall seeing that and can kind of understand it, because that would mean this new faction getting access to more ships than anyone else.
But the result is that Romulan characters now have far too few options. You might get a few "hard core" Romulans hanging in there but I suspect many will float away. Stealth isn't worth the effort of hitting the cloak button and the singularity abilities are ok but not mind-blowing. Most players will be better off passing on this faction.
walking up hill both ways in the snow when you were his age? i don't understand the common exercise of wanting people to have the same limits as the earlier generation had to make it "fair"
as for rom use of high ranking ships, i don't think it really matters. "everybody would play romulan" except for all those who won't.
those who have already leveled would only do it FOR warbirds, so allied ships being available to veterans seems fairly irrelevant doesn't it? for new players, they're leveling up and playing for cstore ships, so why they couldn't use them also seems odd.
i don't mind the restriction, but it seems the justification of many is simply to limit the gameplay of others in a way that would otherwise have no meaningful impact on pve, pvp or even storyline for that matter.
I think you missed the point.
It's not about some sadistic pleasure to see the new guys on the playing field to have to endure something or anyhting like that.
Please think about thisfor a moment:
building content (social zones, characters, ships etc.) takes time and resources...a lot.
So for this expansion the designers had to sit down and recreate canon ships and in addition to that a specific artistic style to somehow make new ships that fit in with the old and the setting.
They basically had to start from scratch even though some of the ships were previously in at a lower quality level.
That takes a lot of time and effort and in that sense is just like the process they had done for the previous factions...three years ago.
That's why it makes no sense to compare the new faction to the other two and expect them to have the same number of ships...the other two have had a somewhat steady stream of new ships over an extended period of time.
On top of that for the Romulans, there are even less canon ships to use as a reference than for the Klingons.
So to expect anything more than what the others had when they came "fresh" is, to be blunt, unrealistic.
Did you really expect them to throw some 15 to 20 endgame ships into the game at the launch of LoR? Because that's the numbers we're talking about here.
People play for a specific faction-experience.
That factions experience is a combination of a character and his ship and Romulans have...I think you know what I mean.
Otherwise we can abolish factions altogether.
No I think you're missing the point. Your viewpoint is pinpoint focused on what is "fair" or maybe "normal" in relation to the experience of the other two factions.
Players deciding which faction to play right now don't care about that. What they will do is compare what each faction has right now. A small minority who are really into Romulans might stick with them regardless but most will weigh up what's available right now and decide accordingly.
I bought the lor pack but particularly with the dearth of science ships at this point am thinking that was not a good buy and am leaning towards just playing a fed.
It's actually focused on what is realistic.
Every played for example "World of Tanks"?
They added several nations to the game afterwards. Guess what: their list of vehicles is shorter than those of the established nations because those had time to get additions over time.
If people can't wrap their heads around the idea that it takes months to get a ship into STO (yes months, given they have to get approval every step of the way from the concept art to the final model from CBS) that's their problem.
I don't care about "fair", but I care about not setting my eyes on the next galaxy while tripping over a banana.
The shiplist was revealed well in advance so people knew what they were getting into.
nice sarcasm. i was just pointing out that i know of F2Pers that havent spent any real money on the game.
You've made a romulan and chosen a faction. Congrats. You stay neutral, you don't get access to the zen ships, you choose a side, you get access to the zen ships on that side that you've paid for.
It's not hard. but at the same time you've paid the zen for access to Federation / Klingon ships, your toons associated with that faction should have access to them.
Just my 2 creds worth.
Personally, I wanted to play Romulans kind of like they have "Joined Trill", where you can start as an independent toon with the whole storyline of one side outlined for you.
Can't please everyone, but this was a bad move imo.
out of mild curiosity, how many zen-ships have they unlocked?
Blah blah blah blah.
All completely irrelevant.
Customers - and that's what players are - care about what's on the table now.
If they're paying customers then they want value for money now. That's only reasonable. Even if they're not paying, leisure time is still finite.
That seems like a truly terrible metaphor given our positions.
My focus is on the tangible present. Yours is on a distant and indeterminate future.
Well.... not really.
For starters from the published info you couldn't tell that some of those ships are the size of small moons. Nor were other deficits clear - lower defence and power levels. Nor were the now evident problems with boffs.
Not that I'm rending my clothes or tearing my hair out. But as a customer I don't feel satisfied with that purchase. LOR's story content was good so I haven't come away with nothing. But based on this experience I'd be very hesitant to drop any more money on new content.
Consoles from allied faction c-store ships should be available to Romulans, not even the ships but just the consoles.
Romulan faction players should have no access to allied ships from ANY tier. If you want to play a ROM be a ROM, same with FED and KDF. I'm not going to get into the same Red v Blue/ Red v Blue v Green, as we all know Cryptic has committed to the Red v Blue dynamic, even though people think it's a mistake.
The alliance should consist of nothing but the sole purpose of STF/PVP/PVE queues and the ability to visit alliance ports of call.
Yes Romulan ships are rather limited in variety right now, but for ****sake the expansion just came out and don't forget there are more ships on the way.
And that is an unreasonable expectation. Your demand for instant gratification shows that you have a very limited understanding of programing and management. It means that with each faction or expansion, the programmer's have to invest an increasingly larger amount of time an resources on just one part of the game at the expense of the rest of the game. And the return on that investment gets smaller and smaller. Better to the barebones minimum initially and piecemeal it until it is up to parity rather than set such high expectations and disappoint those already invested into the game.
My demand? I've made no demands. None at all. I've expressed disappointment with the fact that they've tailored the Romulan faction for a single career. It's not just evident with ships either. Romulans (the race) start the game with a tactical specific trait that boosts ground stealth - which is a tac only thing.
I have commented on the very simple reality of the producer / consumer relationship in that it is grounded in the present.
Successful producers don't whine about how hard it is make their product and expect consumers to cough up money for it in advance and hang around in the hope that one day they might get what they want out of it.
More ships may come out for Romulans. But if eg. they don't sell many Scimitars I wouldn't expect much more development time to be invested in Romulan ships. Look at the Klingons. They have a 3 pack bundle for tac ships (like the Scimitars) but not for cruisers or science vessels.
FYI I have both managed and worked in programming. Very successfully on both fronts. A key component of that success was understanding what customers want/need. Expecting them to understand how tragically difficult *sob sob* my job is doesn't really factor into it.
This game would not exist anymore if it did not go F2P. it went F2P because they had a small player base and would not have been able to stay alive much longer under the sub-only.
If romulans had access to tier 5 fed/klink ships, no one would player those factions anymore as there would be no point.
As for the people saying no one will play romulans thanks to few ships, look at the Klingons, they still do not have anywhere near the amount of ships feds do and plenty of people play them, even before the LOR revamp. many people play what faction they like based on which one they like better, not because of ship selection.