Romulan Tal Shiar

centapeed

In a future update please, please can we join with the Romulan Empire or the Tal Shiar? Also How about incorporating the different houses in the Klingon Empire? YOu now have the three main forces in this part of the galaxy Criptic you could now expand on them and broaden and add story arcs that are befitting of our choices.

bumblebush

I dont no why we had to join with Fed or KDF?
It would be so much better if our Rom toons got to choose from Romulan Empire or Tal' Shiar.

Me myself would join with the Tal' Shiar!:D











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a3001

centapeed wrote: »

In a future update please, please can we join with the Romulan Empire or the Tal Shiar?

they're on the same side with the same stuff. so it's redundant to join either the RSE or Tal Shiar.

dunnlang

I would have loved this option, before they went and made the RSE and the Tal'Shiar the same thing. The are a single short sighted and idiotic villain organization that has no real depth or guile. Completely un-Romulan.

Sadly I don't see even any sort of allegiance to either organization as an option. That's not even tearing your character away from the Fed/KDF, just some sort of affiliation. Cryptic made the RSE and Tal'Shiar irredeemably evil. And a stupid evil at that.

I really hope there is a way to serve the actual Romulan people and Empire down the road. This whole RR is far too self-centered and small. The RSE was vast. There are many more people out there to protect than this one planet.

ztstrike

It is highly unlikely that this will be a possibility. Cryptic dropped the ball by taking the direction they did with Legacy. We are really just stuck for the ride and will have to see what they do to make up for it.

lucianazeta

And here we go again.

neoakiraii

At least they got a Fresh horse to beat, He's still warm.

zarxidejacko

No, now please return to your farm, it is time to sow seeds.

catoblepasbeta

dunnlang wrote: »

I would have loved this option, before they went and made the RSE and the Tal'Shiar the same thing. The are a single short sighted and idiotic villain organization that has no real depth or guile. Completely un-Romulan.

Sadly I don't see even any sort of allegiance to either organization as an option. That's not even tearing your character away from the Fed/KDF, just some sort of affiliation. Cryptic made the RSE and Tal'Shiar irredeemably evil. And a stupid evil at that.

I really hope there is a way to serve the actual Romulan people and Empire down the road. This whole RR is far too self-centered and small. The RSE was vast. There are many more people out there to protect than this one planet.

I suppose that if Cryptic was willing to heap on the retcons etc to bring the Romulan Republic about and twist the RSE into its current (awful) state, they could do the same to bring back the Romulan Star Empire from the shows that so many love.

Hopefully Cryptic will throw a bone to those of us who actually wanted to play Romulans instead of Bajoran freedom fighter stand-ins. I'm currently not very hopeful, but who knows?

For now I have a (IRW prefixed) Adapted destroyer for my Vulcan and am busy filling out the Bridge and Duty officer slots with as many Romulan officers as possible. I figure roleplaying a defector to the RSE is about as close as I can get to playing RSE the present moment anyways, so I have no real reason or desire to even touch the Romulan Republic faction until a better option comes up.

catoblepasbeta

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Yeah right it's all Cryptics fault. CBS, the company that has sole authority to approve or deny all content that gets put into the game is completely blameless. :rolleyes:

Blame them all you want for approving it-CBS didn't write Legacy of Romulus, they only rubber stamped it. I'm sure there were plenty of other directions that Cryptic could have taken the Romulan faction with instead, some of them probably much better-which CBS would also have approved, but this is what they wrote, and this is what we got.

tenkari

catoblepasbeta wrote: »

Blame them all you want for approving it-CBS didn't write Legacy of Romulus, they only rubber stamped it. I'm sure there were plenty of other directions that Cryptic could have taken the Romulan faction with instead, some of them probably much better-which CBS would also have approved, but this is what they wrote, and this is what we got.

we have no idea how many storylines for the romulans CBS denied before LoR was approved. for all we know the current storyline could have been the 10th attempt.

lucianazeta

Let's see, what would I want to be a part off..

The RSE who is committing genocide on their own people through the Tal Shiar?

Or the Republic that stands for it's people?

Hmm, I think I'll go sing kumbaya with D'Tan.

Truly, it's quite hilarious when people call the Republic the traitors to the Romulan people when it's the Star Empire that's slaughtering innocent Romulans like the Virinat colony.

curs0r

There's no use worrying over what isn't going to change. I would have liked to have been a fun evil Romulan rather than a weak dependent one but that's not what they did.

robeasom

I would have preferred to choose Tal Shiar over the RR which is another reason I havent played much of my romulan toon

catoblepasbeta

lucianazeta wrote: »

Let's see, what would I want to be a part off..

The RSE who is committing genocide on their own people through the Tal Shiar?

Or the Republic that stands for it's people?

Hmm, I think I'll go sing kumbaya with D'Tan.

Truly, it's quite hilarious when people call the Republic the traitors to the Romulan people when it's the Star Empire that's slaughtering innocent Romulans like the Virinat colony.

I case you haven't noticed, most folks who wanted to play RSE or Tal Shiar were unhappy with the direction in which Cryptic took them with Legacy of Romulus. Most people aren't comfortable with the idea of playing the RSE/Tal Shiar in the vein of their current incarnation and wanted something more like their depiction in the shows.

Cryptic 'darkened' them by making them even more evil and psychotic in LoR than they already were in STO. They could have just as easily have toned down the crazy into something more in line with the Romulans from the shows. Heck, considering how they pulled the Herbert-spouting Romulan Republicans out of their hat, I don't think making the RSE more like the one from the shows would be that much of a stretch.

curs0r

catoblepasbeta wrote: »

I case you haven't noticed, most folks who wanted to play RSE or Tal Shiar were unhappy with the direction in which Cryptic took them with Legacy of Romulus. Most people aren't comfortable with the idea of playing the RSE/Tal Shiar in the vein of their current incarnation and wanted something more like their depiction in the shows.

Cryptic 'darkened' them by making them even more evil and psychotic in LoR than they already were in STO. They could have just as easily have toned down the crazy into something more in line with the Romulans from the shows. Heck, considering how they pulled the Herbert-spouting Romulan Republicans out of their hat, I don't think making the RSE more like the one from the shows would be that much of a stretch.

For that matter putting Romulus back together using the same kind of temporal hokum that put Nero in the JJ-verse so that we can play them the way we loved them wouldn't be that much of a stretch. But it isn't going to happen unfortunately.

Why not have that guy that killed the Husnok show up and just kazam it back together for them? Or a deal with Q maybe? Great potential story there. Not cost effective though is it?

lucianazeta

catoblepasbeta wrote: »

I case you haven't noticed, most folks who wanted to play RSE or Tal Shiar were unhappy with the direction in which Cryptic took them with Legacy of Romulus. Most people aren't comfortable with the idea of playing the RSE/Tal Shiar in the vein of their current incarnation and wanted something more like their depiction in the shows.

Cryptic 'darkened' them by making them even more evil and psychotic in LoR than they already were in STO. They could have just as easily have toned down the crazy into something more in line with the Romulans from the shows. Heck, considering how they pulled the Herbert-spouting Romulan Republicans out of their hat, I don't think making the RSE more like the one from the shows would be that much of a stretch.

1. This isn't ''the shows''
2. Over 30 years have passed
3. The hobus thingy pretty much shattered and decimated the Romulan/Reman people, the days of old are gone

I hadn't thought the Republic would actually be D'Tan's faction either when LoR was announced, but rather some other Romulan faction, however, it is as it is and it isn't going to change, the future of the Romulan people is with the Republic, not with the shattered remains of a now Iconian alligned empire.

Additionally, undoing the republic for people that want the RSE instead is a point we've long passed, fact of the matter is, you can't do such a thing simply because of players who DO like what LoR brought in faction wise, like me.

The only thing you guys should be hoping for is a possibility of alligning yourself with the RSE in the future, like defection, and even that is a stretch, considering you'd have to give those players a main social hub as well, not to mention BOFF's, it would essentially be all the work they put into the Republic all over again for some disgruntled people that want the RSE.

Things like ''just undo hobus'' is far, FAR easier said then done, they'd have to literally tear apart the entirety of what this MMO is build on storywise, and again, you'd be TRIBBLE over those who do like things as is.

curs0r

lucianazeta wrote: »

however, it is as it is and it isn't going to change, the future of the Romulan people is with the Republic, not with the shattered remains of a now Iconian alligned empire.

Then sadly the future of the Romulan people does not have my interest. No big deal to me really. Some people like it, great. It's definitely going to stay the way it is for a good long while.

lucianazeta

curs0r wrote: »

Then sadly the future of the Romulan people does not have my interest. No big deal to me really. Some people like it, great. It's definitely going to stay the way it is for a good long while.

While unfortunate, that is always the way it will be, Cryptic can never please everyone.

And they are not going to TRIBBLE off one group of players just to satisfy another, especially when it means ripping content away from the group you TRIBBLE off.

Note: Below is a general reply, not specific to the person I quoted

Truly, neither people for nor people against such changes can claim they have the majority on their side, I'm sure claims of ''most people want the RSE'' run rampant, but you simply don't know this at all, just because your friends or fleetmates agree, doesn't mean everyone does.

bluegrassgeek

The Tal'shiar are Bad Guys. It's like wanting to play a True Way Cardassian.

erei1

The Tal Shiar are Iconians puppet, they destroyed Romulus, killed billions Romulans.
They are part of the really big evil we fight at every turn (IE iconians).

Now, you can cover you ears and keep repeating "I want to play the Tal Shiar", it won't happen. You can also lie to yourself, and keep saying D'Tan is trying to unite Vulcan and Romulan, and that's why you do'nt want him. Obviously, it's a lie, as there is absolutely 0 indication, content or mission involving reunification, except the fact that D'Tan was a Reunifcationist decades ago.


Let's say you can, what would you have ?
No homeworld. Rator III is under attack, Feds, KDF or RR, it's not a safe place.
No real leader. Hakeev is dead. Sela is missing. Warlords are fighting in the street trying to become the next Emperor of whatever is left.
No social hub like Risa.
Limited access to the galaxy (no DS9, Sirius, Tau Dewa...).
No Omega reputation, and obviously, no Romulan rep, no Embassy. No Nukara rep.
No mining rights on the asteroid field near DS9.
No "tour the universe" daily.
Unlikely to have Q event, after all everyone hates you.
No FE.
No Borg STF. No RR STF.
No new story missions, as they will likely involve some Iconians plot, and you are working for them.

lucianazeta

erei1 wrote: »

The Tal Shiar are Iconians puppet, they destroyed Romulus, killed billions Romulans.
They are part of the really big evil we fight at every turn (IE iconians).

Now, you can cover you ears and keep repeating "I want to play the Tal Shiar", it won't happen. You can also lie to yourself, and keep saying D'Tan is trying to unite Vulcan and Romulan, and that's why you do'nt want him. Obviously, it's a lie, as there is absolutely 0 indication, content or mission involving reunification, except the fact that D'Tan was a Reunifcationist decades ago.


Let's say you can, what would you have ?
No homeworld. Rator III is under attack, Feds, KDF or RR, it's not a safe place.
No real leader. Hakeev is dead. Sela is missing. Warlords are fighting in the street trying to become the next Emperor of whatever is left.
No social hub like Risa.
Limited access to the galaxy (no DS9, Sirius, Tau Dewa...).
No Omega reputation, and obviously, no Romulan rep, no Embassy. No Nukara rep.
No mining rights on the asteroid field near DS9.
No "tour the universe" daily.
Unlikely to have Q event, after all everyone hates you.
No FE.
No Borg STF. No RR STF.
No new story missions, as they will likely involve some Iconians plot, and you are working for them.

This.

10chars

jonsills

The RSE weren't already bad guys?

Are we talking about the same RSE that was shown engaging in downright Stalinist oppression of the populace in TNG's "Unification"? The same RSE that "allied" with the Feds and Klinks against the Dominion, and tried to use that as cover for missile emplacements on several of Bajor's outer planets in a DS9 episode whose title escapes me? For that matter, the same RSE that developed cloaking technology and plasma torpedoes back in the 2260s, and decided the best way to test those would be to attack a Starfleet ship and see if they could get away with it in TOS' "Balance of Terror", and if the ship was lost with all hands then that was just too bad?

That Romulan Star Empire, the ones we've seen acting like moustache-twirling villains on several occasions on the show? Yeah, that's all Cryptic, right there...

onyxheart1

erei1 wrote: »

The Tal Shiar are Iconians puppet, they destroyed Romulus, killed billions Romulans.
They are part of the really big evil we fight at every turn (IE iconians).

Now, you can cover you ears and keep repeating "I want to play the Tal Shiar", it won't happen. You can also lie to yourself, and keep saying D'Tan is trying to unite Vulcan and Romulan, and that's why you do'nt want him. Obviously, it's a lie, as there is absolutely 0 indication, content or mission involving reunification, except the fact that D'Tan was a Reunifcationist decades ago.


Let's say you can, what would you have ?
No homeworld. Rator III is under attack, Feds, KDF or RR, it's not a safe place.
No real leader. Hakeev is dead. Sela is missing. Warlords are fighting in the street trying to become the next Emperor of whatever is left.
No social hub like Risa.
Limited access to the galaxy (no DS9, Sirius, Tau Dewa...).
No Omega reputation, and obviously, no Romulan rep, no Embassy. No Nukara rep.
No mining rights on the asteroid field near DS9.
No "tour the universe" daily.
Unlikely to have Q event, after all everyone hates you.
No FE.
No Borg STF. No RR STF.
No new story missions, as they will likely involve some Iconians plot, and you are working for them.

/faved

gives all the internets to, bravo

i've never understood the fascination of other players wanting to play the Tal Shiar, it'd be like joining the Gestapo (and even before Cryptic made them darker, the Tal Shiar were already secret police, taking romulan citizens in the night with just the hint of dissent)

except instead of raising a german shepherd puppy and then strangling it as an initiation, they'd probably be doing the same with epohhs >.>

robeasom

Who says we won't have this?
Cryptic could easily make missions where we could do stuff on behalf of the iconions or we could end up battling both klingon and federation enemies and quite frankly the stuff a lot of it is not needed

erei1 wrote: »

Let's say you can, what would you have ?
No homeworld. Rator III is under attack, Feds, KDF or RR, it's not a safe place: As Tal Shiar we could defend it against these and/or have a secret base elsewhere.
No real leader. Hakeev is dead. Sela is missing. Warlords are fighting in the street trying to become the next Emperor of whatever is left.: Who is to say another leader of the Tal shiar would not rise up and take command I don't think it will be hard to find a leader or creat someone as sneaky and duplicitous as hakeev or sela
No social hub like Risa: Don't see that being a problem
Limited access to the galaxy (no DS9, Sirius, Tau Dewa...): Cryptic could extend the galaxy and who says we can't enter these the romulan star empire always did excursions into other territories before.
No Omega reputation, and obviously, no Romulan rep, no Embassy. No Nukara rep: less grinding don;t see a issue there
No mining rights on the asteroid field near DS9: Doesnt really bother me
No "tour the universe" daily: Again doesnt really bother me
Unlikely to have Q event, after all everyone hates you: possibly but you could join against a common enemy
No FE: What makes you have that assumption yopu just need to make alternate versions of the FEE to include the Tal Shiar
No Borg STF. No RR STF:
No new story missions, as they will likely involve some Iconians plot, and you are working for them.Who say Cryptic won't make any story plots where we are working with the iconions to take the RR KDF and Feds out

The People voted for a playable romulan faction and all we got are little more than vulcan wannabes. We want the RSE we know and love. If I wanted to play a good character I would stick with my Fed

wazzagiow

join the tal shiar?? NO

rebuild the romulan empire?? HELL YEAHH!!!

i'm hoping in the future we get to leave our pathetic alliance we are currently stuck in. 1 way or another I hope to see the romulan 'faction' completed. a romulan faction united not devided.

catoblepasbeta

lucianazeta wrote: »

1. This isn't ''the shows''
2. Over 30 years have passed
3. The hobus thingy pretty much shattered and decimated the Romulan/Reman people, the days of old are gone

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1. It's based off the shows. Most people who wanted Romulans (or for that matter Federation, Klingons, Cardassians etc) have certain core expectations about them.

2. And the Federation and Klingons etc are still more or less identical to their on-show counterparts in most important areas.

3. 'The days of old are gone' is a pointless statement. They are that way because Crytpci wrote them that way. Do you remember how the Romulans were before LoR? before the New Romulus update? This is a new change to the Romulans. We had the classic Romulans in STO for ages, even 30 years after the Supernova. It is only Cryptic's retcon that has reduced them to their present state.

lucianazeta wrote: »

While unfortunate, that is always the way it will be, Cryptic can never please everyone.

And they are not going to TRIBBLE off one group of players just to satisfy another, especially when it means ripping content away from the group you TRIBBLE off.

Note: Below is a general reply, not specific to the person I quoted

Truly, neither people for nor people against such changes can claim they have the majority on their side, I'm sure claims of ''most people want the RSE'' run rampant, but you simply don't know this at all, just because your friends or fleetmates agree, doesn't mean everyone does.

Cryptic already pissed off one group to please another. That's why we keep having threads like this pop up.

And you cannot say that most people would not have preferred a RSE faction, because we don't have them existing side-by-side to compare numbers. Of course the Romulan Republic has higher popularity right now because it is the only option. One thing is certain: Most people who expected a Romulan faction expected it to be some form of the RSE, and Cryptic blindsided a lot of people with LoR.

lucianazeta

catoblepasbeta wrote: »

And you cannot say that most people would not have preferred a RSE faction, because we don't have them existing side-by-side to compare numbers. Of course the Romulan Republic has higher popularity right now because it is the only option. One thing is certain: Most people who expected a Romulan faction expected it to be some form of the RSE, and Cryptic blindsided a lot of people with LoR.

Do me a favor and read the last part of my previous post a hundred times, then you will understand the part of your post I bolded is exactly what I said. >.>

I had not expected the RSE at all myself as they were already an established enemy, I had expected something separate, which is exactly what we got.

shpoks

"Cryptic, you made the Romulans spacefaring Bajorans and I hate you for that" - second edition!

...engage! :rolleyes:


In other news, I'm starting to collect bets for how long is this going to keep on keeping on.

pyryck

erei1 wrote: »

The Tal Shiar are Iconians puppet, they destroyed Romulus, killed billions Romulans.
They are part of the really big evil we fight at every turn (IE iconians).

Now, you can cover you ears and keep repeating "I want to play the Tal Shiar", it won't happen. You can also lie to yourself, and keep saying D'Tan is trying to unite Vulcan and Romulan, and that's why you do'nt want him. Obviously, it's a lie, as there is absolutely 0 indication, content or mission involving reunification, except the fact that D'Tan was a Reunifcationist decades ago.


Let's say you can, what would you have ?
No homeworld. Rator III is under attack, Feds, KDF or RR, it's not a safe place.
No real leader. Hakeev is dead. Sela is missing. Warlords are fighting in the street trying to become the next Emperor of whatever is left.
No social hub like Risa.
Limited access to the galaxy (no DS9, Sirius, Tau Dewa...).
No Omega reputation, and obviously, no Romulan rep, no Embassy. No Nukara rep.
No mining rights on the asteroid field near DS9.
No "tour the universe" daily.
Unlikely to have Q event, after all everyone hates you.
No FE.
No Borg STF. No RR STF.
No new story missions, as they will likely involve some Iconians plot, and you are working for them.

/quotedfortruthandrealityandthefuture

Folks can bang their heads against the wall all they want...the only thing that they're going to get is a bloody forehead and a headache.

Erei1, you should just copy that list in a text file and paste it as a reply in every single one of these types of threads.

daan2006

robeasom wrote: »

The People voted for a playable romulan faction and all we got are little more than vulcan wannabes. We want the RSE we know and love. If I wanted to play a good character I would stick with my Fed

this 1000X ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^