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I know there have been complaints about the Romulan ships firepower and many argue that the Romulans are suppose to have this and I agree but with exception.
Just for the record I dont play a Romulan, I have a 50 FED and a 25 Klingon. My problem is I am a purist and I believe the community is being dis-serviced for sales or just to promote the new content.
Check your history, not all the new Romulan history I am talking about Original StarTrek you will find it in Star Trek Season 1 TOS_S1D4 Episode, BALANCE OF TERROR. The first ever conflict between the Federation and the Romulan Empire written with a back history of a war that took place 80 years prior and established the Neutral Zone between the federation and Romulan Empire.
This is the issue. The Plasma weapon causes an ENORMOUS POWER DRAIN when fired. They are Glass Cannons. But In this game they are afforded the same protections with out any of the disadvantages of their superior weapon.
This is annoying people. You want everyone to become Romulan to buy the new content? Whats the point in that?
My suggestion is for the Devs to watch this episode over and over and OVER again. I have watched it possibly 30 to 40 times and I just dont understand what you guys are thinking.
This kind of game programming for a well established Title could cause its death. I think you got the Fed and Klingons down right but not the Romulans.
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Just for the record I dont play a Romulan, I have a 50 FED and a 25 Klingon. My problem is I am a purist and I believe the community is being dis-serviced for sales or just to promote the new content.
Check your history, not all the new Romulan history I am talking about Original StarTrek you will find it in Star Trek Season 1 TOS_S1D4 Episode, BALANCE OF TERROR. The first ever conflict between the Federation and the Romulan Empire written with a back history of a war that took place 80 years prior and established the Neutral Zone between the federation and Romulan Empire.
This is the issue. The Plasma weapon causes an ENORMOUS POWER DRAIN when fired. They are Glass Cannons. But In this game they are afforded the same protections with out any of the disadvantages of their superior weapon.
This is annoying people. You want everyone to become Romulan to buy the new content? Whats the point in that?
My suggestion is for the Devs to watch this episode over and over and OVER again. I have watched it possibly 30 to 40 times and I just dont understand what you guys are thinking.
This kind of game programming for a well established Title could cause its death. I think you got the Fed and Klingons down right but not the Romulans.
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies. ~kalecto
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Or to put it another way, this game takes place about the same distance into the future that today is past the Civil War.
the original series was written with little regard for scientific accuracy. half of the lore has been changed or updated over the years. the original bird of prey did not even have warp drive. how the hell did that work.
and the game only uses the lore sparing as gameplay/balance has to trump canon on many occasions.
no of course its not going to cause the death of anything. all this is is nitpicking over minor details.
That may be true, but the Romulan life span is substantially longer. Romulan contemporaries of "Balance of Terror" would still be alive today. The same can not be said for anyone alive during the Civil War.
It seems generally accepted (in fiction at least) that longer lifespans lead to slower societal changes. Such rapid departures in character do not make as much sense for Romulans as they do for humans.
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It's technological progress, this little disadvantage has been erased from the Plasma Torpedo. Did you notice how the Romulan Warbirds seen in the Dominion war can be fired pretty much at the same rate as photon torpedoes now.
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No. What I noticed in the final season of DS9 was that the Warbirds got destroyed frequently. They tended to be speed bumps for Dominion and Cardassian forces. It was either the Defiant or the ship with Martok and Worf that did actual damage to the enemy.
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Well the Excelsior is the best fed ship in the fleet, so it's not really all that far into the future.
Old Trek? So I guess you believe the US Constitution is invalid because its old?
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You do not talk computers to death
You do not do philosophy debates
And you do not talk about rules and regulations
Your job, and a federation captain/admiral, is to strap a gun to an engine, and solve any diplomacy problem with gravity well and missiles and cannons. Just like how the Klingon do. In return, you gain salvage rights for rare and exotic items.
Im not advocating any personal gain or interests. I respect the Honor of the Federation and the Klingon plus Romulan Empire. If it wasn't for Star Trek Original, none of us would even be here.
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I must have missed the part where a piece of paper was designed to be a warship.
Now if you're talking about Ole Ironsides, that's a somewhat different conversation (not really because she's still massively outclassed by modern warships, but just slightly less ridiculous since she's still in active service).
So by that logic then the USS Constitution and HMS Victory are still more than a match for an Nimitz class carrier then...
The only reason the romulans are "equals" to the federation and the klingons is because there needs to be a balance so we can have story. Pretty much the same way that we keep winning against the Borg, see?
That might be true culturally, but the post isn't about culture. It's about technology. Nothing pushes technological advances faster than war, and the Romulans have been in perpetual war since Balance of Terror.
The only reason the romulans are "equals" to the federation and the klingons is because there needs to be a balance so we can have story. Pretty much the same way that we keep winning against the Borg, see?
I believe Earth gained a lot of tech really fast after the formation of the Federation. Most gained through the Vulcans and Andorians.
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Moreover, even culturally it may somewhat be true in fiction (most probably the way to bring humans up to speed with other cultures) but not really in real life. Is our cultural society's progress any slower now that we live longer?
And imagine the great minds we had that were lost and could not progress their work because of our shorter life spans. Imagine what someone like Einstein (a known example to all) could have achieved!
Ok, sure, no argument there. But in general terms I think it's fair to assume that the romulans being a expansionist race would have progressed even further technologically. They keep trying to find an edge. They are extremely xenophobic, so they do not want to be buddies, they want to know that in any confrontation they will win. They don't even want their enemy to know what they are up against.
Even klingons who are extremely warlike, seek more confrontation as a test rather than a true will to "win at all costs".
But it's only an opinion, because as I said, all races and things are what the story at the moment wants/needs them to be. That's why it's fiction.
Actually, if you watch what was presented in the shows themselves; that was never shown to be the case (that the Romulans were a more technically advanced species then say Humans):
From TOS references:
- There was an Earth/Romulan War fought 100 or so years before the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" - and in Spocks description, BOTH sides fought in 'primitive space vessels' with 'primitive atomic weapons'; so even at that point, the Humans and Romulans were at about the same tech level.
- Also from "Balance of Terror" - Scotty makes a comment with regard to the Romulan ship that "their power is simple Impulse" (which BTW at that point in Star Trek lore it wasn't 100% established that Impulse only propelled ships at sub-light speeds -- that said, the intent of the line was meant to show that the 1701 Enterprise had superior engine/power generation technology at that time. Some fans have argued that the Warbird in BoT was old/outdated - yet there is a line said by a Centurion stating that ship is "the Praetor's finest and proudest Flagship..."
- From the TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident" - we have Spock's line of "Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon design..."; meaning that at some point in TOS either there was technological exchange or an alliance between the Romulan and Klingon Empires (or some very successful espionage on the part of the Romulans -- (and yes, I know the behind the scenes production reasons the Producer did this, but you still need some way to make sense of it 'in Universe'.); so at that point klingon tech was considered superior to the Romulan tech of that era (and Klingon tech was shown as inferior to Federtaion tech throughout TOS' run.)
from TNG references:
- in the episode "Tin Man"; the top speed of a Romulan Warbird is stated to be "Warp 6" (in the episode they manged to get to Warp 8; but burned out their engines doing so); yet the 1701-D can easily maintain Warp 8 as a standard cruising speed - and achieve warp 9.3 if needed.
My point? In all the actual TV show episodes; Romulan technology has been shown as inferior to Federation tech (Hell, in the TNG episode "The Pegasus" - we find the ONLY reason the Feds don't have Cloaking Tech themselves is due to a treaty that they've honored - and when a group of Fed scientists decide to stop honoring that treaty - they come up with a 'Phase-Cloak' that allows a ship to pass through solid matter. <--- And Riker And teh Admiral even manage to figure out why it failed, correct the problem and make the Cloak work properly again. Thus you can't even claim the Romulan cloaking tech is superior.)
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If you bring DS9 as an example, it is stated that when the romulans join the war against the dominion they succeed in several encounters. Given that the dominion are very advanced as well, how do you see that happening?
And on "Enterprise", the drone ship?
Frankly, would you expect a show in which the good guys wouldn't win? The shows are always like this: an incredible enemy: humans win. The borg, the dominion, the romulans, the klingons, the cardassians, the breen, the xindi, etc, etc, etc...they are all at a given point more advanced, stronger, etc. Yet they always loose.
The T'varo is a glass cannon and is merely two or three times as potent as a defiant
it can fire cloaked yes
so what??