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Fate of JJTrek Vulcans (JJTrek I spoilers)
collegepark2151
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I got to thinking this morning as I was driving in to work...
* After the destruction of Vulcan, Spock estimated there were only 10,000 Vulcans left.
* Due to their pon farr cycles, Vulcans would have a slow rate of reproduction.
* The Romulans of that time period were in favor of reunification by force.
* Assuming the invasion was put off until the time Sela appeared in the mid 2300's as in TNG, there's probably no more than 20,000 Vulcans at the time of the invasion.
Conclusion: The Romulans will roll over the Vulcans and conquer New Vulcan.
Thoughts?
* After the destruction of Vulcan, Spock estimated there were only 10,000 Vulcans left.
* Due to their pon farr cycles, Vulcans would have a slow rate of reproduction.
* The Romulans of that time period were in favor of reunification by force.
* Assuming the invasion was put off until the time Sela appeared in the mid 2300's as in TNG, there's probably no more than 20,000 Vulcans at the time of the invasion.
Conclusion: The Romulans will roll over the Vulcans and conquer New Vulcan.
Thoughts?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Porthos is not amused.
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I've heard talk both ways, but I was always under the impression that the pon farr cycle was the point at which Vulcan had to mate, not the only time they could. If this is what Gene intended, then there could be many more Vulcans. It would also be entirely logical to find ways to stimulate their cycle early and often to rebuild their race.
If Vulcan stood alone, yes, I could see the Romulans dominating. However, New Vulcan is backed by the might of the Federation, and I cannot see it leaving its most vulnerable member undefended.
You're making the rather hilarious assumption that an event will occur in the JJ'verse based on an event in the Prime 'verse.
The 24th century JJ'verse is going to be about as similar to the prime 'verse as the MU was to the prime 'verse.
I think you forgot the United Federation of Planets.
Hmm, what about that one event where a man named James T Kirk becomes a captain of a ship named Enterprise, with crew members such as Scotty, Bones, Chekov, Sulu and Uhuru? :rolleyes:
Remind me again what the Klingon-Cardassian alliance was doing in the late 2370s in the Prime 'verse?
How about what the Dominion was doing in the MU at the same time?
Oh. Right.
I didn't forget them, I just thought that based on Sela's comment in TNG that they would be "deeply entrenched" by the time Starfleet was able to respond in the prime universe, they would be even more deeply entrenched with so little resistance.
Also, since an invasion in the mid 2300's would have been close to a century after the destruction of Vulcan, the Vulcans may no longer be one of the primary races in the UFP and no longer one of the core worlds.
As to the Mirror Universe comments, from what we've seen, the JJ'verse seems to track a lot closer to the prime reality than the mirror universe, which by definition was created to be the opposite of the prime universe, so I don't think it's out of the question that things could unfold similarly in the JJ verse.
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
Now, Vulcans are logical people. They know they need to reproduce quickly and in a genetically diverse faction. They may be willing to use artificial insemination. If they are having children every one or two years and reproducing at sexual maturity, they will, for all practical matters, have nearly an unlimited supply of Vulcans within a century.
Of course, to reproduce so quickly you need a lot of energy. Resources like food, medical care, clean water, et cetera might limit population growth, although presumably the Federation would be handling that.
I see where you're coming from and yeah, they probably would use various methods of artificially enhanced procreation so maybe 20,000 is a low number. However, assuming a standard Vulcan lifetime of 200 years (Sarek, etc.), half of the original "breeding stock" would be dead after a century, so there may still be a relatively small number of Vulcans after a century.
Of course, the Romulans might decide to exploit the opportunity and invade much sooner than that, but that would be counteracted to some effect by the increased initial security provided by Starfleet.
And... If Spock Classic just calls up the Romulans and tells them they have 129 years until their planet is destroyed, they may be grateful enough to just not invade at all. Or get desperate and launch a full assault.
Therefore, I regard her statements as little more than a wild fantasy.
Further, I don't recall anything from TOS indicating that Romulans of the time wanted anything to do with Vulcans whatsoever, much less any attempt to "reunite" with their long-lost cousins. There might have been some vague interest in retaking the homeworld, but in the new timeline, there is no homeworld to retake. Therefore, again, no assault. (Also, the Romulans in TOS didn't seem to suffer from the delusion that Starfleet was too wimpy to try to stop them - in "Balance of Terror", as I recall, the Romulan commander was supposed to avoid combat unless the plasma torpedo proved to be very highly effective. He was just supposed to ensure Starfleet sensors couldn't detect a cloaked Warbird, then pop out of cloak and see how they handled plasma weapons, then cloak back up and head home. If it hadn't been for that comet, he probably would have done exactly that.)
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
Enterprise also told us that Vulcans dont like exploring much and try to largely stay in their own star system. I dont know how many established colonies they have but we could assume they are low in number and simply there to conduct research etc rather than millions living there as an actual home.
:cool:
Granted, it's rare that Spock makes a mistake, but if he were to make an error in a calculation, that would be the time. He obviously didn't go consult the records and calculate an exact number. It's entirely possible that he simply overlooked several settlements, etc.