Leave it alone!!
While not an epic by any means, it is definately one that any true sci fi fan would have in their library. I break it out every now and then and the kids love it!!
One that I would not mind seeing redone.........The Last Starfighter.......has the potential for a trilogy i feel as well, as it sort of left you hanging at the end.....what happened to Alex????:rolleyes:
only those films that failed horribly in the films the first time out should be reboot, the successful ones should not, look at all the recent reboots, none of of them are necessary including jjcrapverse.
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We had a (movie) directing class in school. One of the main assignments was to reshoot a scene from a movie that you thought could have been done better. 90% of people ignored that last bit, and picked their favorite scene from some amazing movie. Which means their scene paled in comparison. The real task was to take something that SHOULD have been good, and reshoot that in a way to make it better than the original was.
I feel this is the same as all of the Reboots/Remakes/etc. of late.
Reboots should be done for movies that SHOULD have been good, but weren't. Not on something that is already great. I'm also somewhat ok with rebooting an old franchise. The New Clash of the Titans was pretty awful, but the last version of it made, was made 30 years ago, so there was at least some reasoning for redoing it. Rebooting Spiderman 5 years after the last movie was insane.
We had a (movie) directing class in school. One of the main assignments was to reshoot a scene from a movie that you thought could have been done better. 90% of people ignored that last bit, and picked their favorite scene from some amazing movie. Which means their scene paled in comparison. The real task was to take something that SHOULD have been good, and reshoot that in a way to make it better than the original was.
I feel this is the same as all of the Reboots/Remakes/etc. of late.
Reboots should be done for movies that SHOULD have been good, but weren't. Not on something that is already great. I'm also somewhat ok with rebooting an old franchise. The New Clash of the Titans was pretty awful, but the last version of it made, was made 30 years ago, so there was at least some reasoning for redoing it. Rebooting Spiderman 5 years after the last movie was insane.
+1
Though Spiderman 3 was just so bad and ruined the franchise so much that there really wasn't a choice. And surprisingly The Amazing Spider-Man was actually pretty good, and closer to the comics in a lot of ways.
As far as The Fifth Element goes. This film should never be rebooted/remade. It is truly perfect as is. I'd love to see it released and converted to 3D though. Car chase scene in IMAX 3D? HELL YES.
And I'd absolutely love to see a sequel to Fifth Element. would be better than another bad Resident Evil and another bad Die Hard.
If you think rebooting Spider-man after 5 years was nuts, what almost followed was worse. The plan if Amazing Spider-man didn't succeed was supposedly to wait 5 more years and then launch another reboot, to just tread water and keep the license current until they either made enough money for a sequel or Marvel got fed up and bought the rights back.
We had a (movie) directing class in school. One of the main assignments was to reshoot a scene from a movie that you thought could have been done better. 90% of people ignored that last bit, and picked their favorite scene from some amazing movie. Which means their scene paled in comparison. The real task was to take something that SHOULD have been good, and reshoot that in a way to make it better than the original was.
Very curious now, what movie/scene did your group remake?
That's exactly the problem with all of these superhero movies, the production company is contractually obligated to release a new movie in a given franchise every so often, or they will lose the license. So, good, or bad, doesn't matter, they have to keep churning them out in order to retain access to the IP.
I actually never took the directing class. I had headed down the video game rabbit hole before the class was created. But I had lots of friends who took it.
That's exactly the problem with all of these superhero movies, the production company is contractually obligated to release a new movie in a given franchise every so often, or they will lose the license. So, good, or bad, doesn't matter, they have to keep churning them out in order to retain access to the IP.
I think the biggest problem is that the studios feel the need to cover the origin story every time. The comics don't rehash the whole story every time they reinvent a character, they just kinda say, "Oh, he's actually been the clone all along!"
I mean, look how they handled rebooting the Hulk after Ang Lee's trainwreck. That was officially a reboot, not a sequel, but instead of retreading the origin, they added some new context to it and quietly ignored the previous movie. And it worked - it might have been the weakest movie in the shared continuity, but it was a fitting example of how to reboot a superhero and it set up the single best scene in Avengers.
That's exactly the problem with all of these superhero movies, the production company is contractually obligated to release a new movie in a given franchise every so often, or they will lose the license. So, good, or bad, doesn't matter, they have to keep churning them out in order to retain access to the IP.
I actually never took the directing class. I had headed down the video game rabbit hole before the class was created. But I had lots of friends who took it.
^^^
This is the entire reason we got Roger Corman's "Fantastic Four" back in the 1990ies:
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Reboots should be done for movies that SHOULD have been good, but weren't. Not on something that is already great. I'm also somewhat ok with rebooting an old franchise. The New Clash of the Titans was pretty awful, but the last version of it made, was made 30 years ago, so there was at least some reasoning for redoing it. Rebooting Spiderman 5 years after the last movie was insane.
That's the same feeling I'm getting when I look at the newest Reboot: Man of Steel.
Feels like it was too soon after the last movie that wasn't so much a Reboot as a continuation.. But it still feels way too soon to do a reboot on Superman.
As far as the Original Topic.. Does 5th Element really NEED a reboot? The movie was already a big badaboom imo.
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We had a (movie) directing class in school. One of the main assignments was to reshoot a scene from a movie that you thought could have been done better. 90% of people ignored that last bit, and picked their favorite scene from some amazing movie. Which means their scene paled in comparison. The real task was to take something that SHOULD have been good, and reshoot that in a way to make it better than the original was.
I feel this is the same as all of the Reboots/Remakes/etc. of late.
Reboots should be done for movies that SHOULD have been good, but weren't. Not on something that is already great. I'm also somewhat ok with rebooting an old franchise. The New Clash of the Titans was pretty awful, but the last version of it made, was made 30 years ago, so there was at least some reasoning for redoing it. Rebooting Spiderman 5 years after the last movie was insane.
Yeah. In general, I have to say I wish franchise IPs worked more like James Bond traditionally did. Less of a focus on the universe. More on the individual film.
The thing is, you have to actually support an IP as an engine for that kind of thing. (Which is classically how TV shows were seen.) The audience has to have an idea of what a Star Trek or Superman or Batman story is. Then instead of having a multi-movie arc, you have a focus on the elements that make the movie unique.
Y'Know... This is a Batman movie. This time, he fights Mr. Freeze and there's a thirty minute underwater sequence. It also means giving more of the film's character arc to the guest stars or making the hero's arc a simpler or more standalone lesson. But the hero's existence doesn't get redefined by the story. If anybody walks out of the film missing a limb or with a total revelation about a new direction they want to take their life in, it's the supporting cast.
Oddly enough, I think Buffy -- especially the first five seasons -- work pretty well from this POV. Buffy slays vampires. Buffy has personal drama but it's her friends and guest stars who are dynamic and allowed to change as they filter through the story. Buffy is blessed and cursed to be who she is. If it were a movie series, they could have recast Buffy because the essential truth is that while Buffy's situation changes, Buffy herself never changes dramatically.
It's the hunger to have a lead character go from a kid to a starship captain that makes it necessary to reboot.
Batman: The Animated Series is also a great example of this.
Look at the episodes. Batman may have an emotional moment or revelation but Batman always starts and leaves every episode as Batman. So there's no need to reboot as long as you don't stretch his character out of shape.
It's what makes the use of the villains in that series so compelling too. (And sometimes the villains did get subtle reboots.) But Batman is so static in many of those episodes, he's practically the Crypt Keeper or Rod Serling.
I think Superman was much the same at the height of his popularity in the 40s/50s/60s. Donner's film gave us a more dynamic Superman but it also meant that we couldn't have a consistent Superman. If Superman is "our guide to these weird adventures" then you never need to reboot. You just need new stories. If you want to give somebody a lifechanging arc, you invent a supporting character or villain for it to happen to. (And, hey, that's why Luthor reformed in the 60s. And in the 70s, they rebooted him into villainy with plot devices.)
But when people want the hero to have a dynamic character arc, you wind up stretching them out of shape every 2-3 movies.
We had a (movie) directing class in school. One of the main assignments was to reshoot a scene from a movie that you thought could have been done better. 90% of people ignored that last bit, and picked their favorite scene from some amazing movie. Which means their scene paled in comparison. The real task was to take something that SHOULD have been good, and reshoot that in a way to make it better than the original was.
I feel this is the same as all of the Reboots/Remakes/etc. of late.
Reboots should be done for movies that SHOULD have been good, but weren't. Not on something that is already great. I'm also somewhat ok with rebooting an old franchise. The New Clash of the Titans was pretty awful, but the last version of it made, was made 30 years ago, so there was at least some reasoning for redoing it. Rebooting Spiderman 5 years after the last movie was insane.
So one can infer your opinion on "rebooting" Wrath of Khan then? lol
I think the biggest problem is that the studios feel the need to cover the origin story every time. The comics don't rehash the whole story every time they reinvent a character, they just kinda say, "Oh, he's actually been the clone all along!"
I mean, look how they handled rebooting the Hulk after Ang Lee's trainwreck. That was officially a reboot, not a sequel, but instead of retreading the origin, they added some new context to it and quietly ignored the previous movie. And it worked - it might have been the weakest movie in the shared continuity, but it was a fitting example of how to reboot a superhero and it set up the single best scene in Avengers.
:eek:
I thought Ang Lee did a pretty good job with that crappy script. The scene where hulk beats the TRIBBLE outta those tanks made the movie.
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While not an epic by any means, it is definately one that any true sci fi fan would have in their library. I break it out every now and then and the kids love it!!
One that I would not mind seeing redone.........The Last Starfighter.......has the potential for a trilogy i feel as well, as it sort of left you hanging at the end.....what happened to Alex????:rolleyes:
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Oh guys I agree with you, The 5th element is a classic in it's own rights, lets leave it be.
Leave this Film alone. It holds up well even now.
And besides, We've seen what a retired, older Corbin Dallas could be like. It's called Red.
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Little bit of movie trivia here...
Luc Besson, the writer of The Fifth Element, wrote the original screen play at the age of 17, while he was still in High School.
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I feel this is the same as all of the Reboots/Remakes/etc. of late.
Reboots should be done for movies that SHOULD have been good, but weren't. Not on something that is already great. I'm also somewhat ok with rebooting an old franchise. The New Clash of the Titans was pretty awful, but the last version of it made, was made 30 years ago, so there was at least some reasoning for redoing it. Rebooting Spiderman 5 years after the last movie was insane.
+1
Though Spiderman 3 was just so bad and ruined the franchise so much that there really wasn't a choice. And surprisingly The Amazing Spider-Man was actually pretty good, and closer to the comics in a lot of ways.
As far as The Fifth Element goes. This film should never be rebooted/remade. It is truly perfect as is. I'd love to see it released and converted to 3D though. Car chase scene in IMAX 3D? HELL YES.
And I'd absolutely love to see a sequel to Fifth Element. would be better than another bad Resident Evil and another bad Die Hard.
Very curious now, what movie/scene did your group remake?
I actually never took the directing class. I had headed down the video game rabbit hole before the class was created. But I had lots of friends who took it.
I think the biggest problem is that the studios feel the need to cover the origin story every time. The comics don't rehash the whole story every time they reinvent a character, they just kinda say, "Oh, he's actually been the clone all along!"
I mean, look how they handled rebooting the Hulk after Ang Lee's trainwreck. That was officially a reboot, not a sequel, but instead of retreading the origin, they added some new context to it and quietly ignored the previous movie. And it worked - it might have been the weakest movie in the shared continuity, but it was a fitting example of how to reboot a superhero and it set up the single best scene in Avengers.
^^^
This is the entire reason we got Roger Corman's "Fantastic Four" back in the 1990ies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLqs9MrGbw
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That's the same feeling I'm getting when I look at the newest Reboot: Man of Steel.
Feels like it was too soon after the last movie that wasn't so much a Reboot as a continuation.. But it still feels way too soon to do a reboot on Superman.
As far as the Original Topic.. Does 5th Element really NEED a reboot? The movie was already a big badaboom imo.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Yeah. In general, I have to say I wish franchise IPs worked more like James Bond traditionally did. Less of a focus on the universe. More on the individual film.
The thing is, you have to actually support an IP as an engine for that kind of thing. (Which is classically how TV shows were seen.) The audience has to have an idea of what a Star Trek or Superman or Batman story is. Then instead of having a multi-movie arc, you have a focus on the elements that make the movie unique.
Y'Know... This is a Batman movie. This time, he fights Mr. Freeze and there's a thirty minute underwater sequence. It also means giving more of the film's character arc to the guest stars or making the hero's arc a simpler or more standalone lesson. But the hero's existence doesn't get redefined by the story. If anybody walks out of the film missing a limb or with a total revelation about a new direction they want to take their life in, it's the supporting cast.
Oddly enough, I think Buffy -- especially the first five seasons -- work pretty well from this POV. Buffy slays vampires. Buffy has personal drama but it's her friends and guest stars who are dynamic and allowed to change as they filter through the story. Buffy is blessed and cursed to be who she is. If it were a movie series, they could have recast Buffy because the essential truth is that while Buffy's situation changes, Buffy herself never changes dramatically.
It's the hunger to have a lead character go from a kid to a starship captain that makes it necessary to reboot.
Look at the episodes. Batman may have an emotional moment or revelation but Batman always starts and leaves every episode as Batman. So there's no need to reboot as long as you don't stretch his character out of shape.
It's what makes the use of the villains in that series so compelling too. (And sometimes the villains did get subtle reboots.) But Batman is so static in many of those episodes, he's practically the Crypt Keeper or Rod Serling.
I think Superman was much the same at the height of his popularity in the 40s/50s/60s. Donner's film gave us a more dynamic Superman but it also meant that we couldn't have a consistent Superman. If Superman is "our guide to these weird adventures" then you never need to reboot. You just need new stories. If you want to give somebody a lifechanging arc, you invent a supporting character or villain for it to happen to. (And, hey, that's why Luthor reformed in the 60s. And in the 70s, they rebooted him into villainy with plot devices.)
But when people want the hero to have a dynamic character arc, you wind up stretching them out of shape every 2-3 movies.
So one can infer your opinion on "rebooting" Wrath of Khan then? lol
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I thought Ang Lee did a pretty good job with that crappy script. The scene where hulk beats the TRIBBLE outta those tanks made the movie.
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