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An Idea for Cruisers in PvP

hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
edited May 2013 in PvP Gameplay
I know that cruisers are usually relegated to healers in PvP. A few cruisers are damage dealers, albeit not as effective as escorts, but still able to slap faces around. But for the most part, cruisers are support craft, healers. I may or may not be wrong about this, but that's how I see it.

So I had an idea. What is it that cruisers excel at? Staying alive. What do they specialize in? Tanking. What is it that they lean towards the most? Surviving. So why not give them something that can allow them to take advantage of that strength? Someone may have already put this up, but I didn't see a thread like that, so here's my idea:

Sensor Targeting Lock

Cruiser Only Ability

For the next 30 seconds, this ship is the only target that can be targeted by enemy craft. Once this ship is targeted, you cannot change targets. This ship also gains a 10% reduction of damage to shields, and also gains a 30% increase in shield regen. This ship also gains a 10% reduction of damage to hull, and a 30% increase in hull regen.

2 minute cooldown.

The idea behind this is that it's a taunt. It forces enemy ships to fire on this ship, and also as a rather nasty added side-effect, you cannot heal any of your allies. You can still heal yourself, but since you cannot target any other allied ships, you cannot heal them. To end the effect, you either kill the ship using it, or wait for the 30 seconds to expire. It takes advantage of the fact that cruisers are a pain to kill, and allows them to actually TANK.

Feedback would be appreciated. Try not to bash me too hard XD.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited May 2013
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  • aveimperatoraveimperator Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Given that BoPs can pop a Star Cruiser in less than 3 seconds and anything less is considered less than the norm...I don't really see how this helps.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    We're not NPCs. We shouldn't be forced to target anything. It's one thing for ships to be able to say "Don't target me!" but it is an entirely separate thing to have them say "Target me!"...

    ...personally, I'd reduce magic wand healing. Apply a modifier to those abilities that can heal other vessels (outside of ExS) to reduce the healing done. It does the full value to the ship using it, but if it is used on another vessel then it is at a reduced amount. As long as the magic wand healing exists in the game, there's always going to be problems - usually with additional problems layered on top of other problems on top of other problems, etc, etc, etc...as they try to bandaid the issue without ever addressing it.
  • UnknownUnknown
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    OR

    Give cruisers a 'command aura' passively that grants a benefit to all allies in range with several to choose from. Make others want to kill them, don't force it.

    PS: Neuter the sheer quantity of passive healing starting with shield regeneration rates at moderate to high shield power levels.
    http://www.helpscout.net/75-customer-service-facts-quotes-statistics/
  • UnknownUnknown
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    skollulfr wrote: »
    this is true to an extent, too many big heals, not enough big dps resists...
    even those heals are power creep to offset the effect of spinning-top DHC moar-dakka escorts.

    imo, passive heal rates & small boosts to that should be more important than after the fact bounce hp.

    Chicken or the egg mate.

    Bounce occurs because it must. It must occur because without spike damage threw the roof nothing will die. Nothing will die because passive regeneration amounts are completely out of whack and on their own negating normal damage output levels.

    Leadership got nerfed. It is now time for shield power, and shield regen in general, to suffer the same fate. Especially considering it grants more passive sustain than leadership did by a significant amount.
    http://www.helpscout.net/75-customer-service-facts-quotes-statistics/
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    An Idea for Cruisers in PvP

    Well, you can cut one in half. Duct-tape some cannons to the front and call it a Tactical Cruiscort.

    Or

    You can fly you're cruiser to a Starbase, and buy a science ship.

    Multiple choice babe.
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    hereticknight085 wrote: »
    Sensor Targeting Lock

    Cruiser Only Ability

    For the next 30 seconds, this ship is the only target that can be targeted by enemy craft.

    2 minute cooldown.


    So what stops a team of 4 Cruisers just rotating this in a perpetual cycle while knowing exactly who they will need to toss their heals on for each 30s sub-cycle ?


    Taunt is a pretty sad mechanic to begin with, and is an MMO convention because most games haven't come up with anything more creative.

    Forcing players to be subject to taunt is worse.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    A Protest Premade for the Queues...make your own and take it for a spin!

    Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser w/ Fed-aligned Alien Engineer

    Traits - Accurate, Astrophysicist, Efficient Captain, Elusive, EPS Manifold Efficiency, Grace Under Fire, Helmsman, Techie, Warp Theorist

    Reputation
    New Rom - Enhanced Shield Systems, Emergency Secondary Shielding, Quantum Singularity Manipulation
    Nukara - Fortified Hull, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense, Refracting Tetryon Cascade
    Omega - Hull-Repairing Nanites, Superior Shield Repair

    TT1, APD1
    EPtS1, ExS1, ExS2, AtS3
    EPtS1, ET2
    ST1, HE2, TSS3
    PH1

    DOFFs - DLS(ST), ME(ET), 2x SDO(BFI), DCE(AtS)

    Deflector - Borg Mk XII
    Impulse - Borg Mk XII
    Core - Tal Shiar Adapted Warp Core
    Shields - MACO Mk XII

    Weapons
    Fore - Phased Polaron Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Nanite Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc]x3, Phased Tetryon Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Chroniton Dual Beam Array
    Aft - Nukara Web Mine, Kinetic Cutting Beam, Polarized Disruptor Mk XII [Acc]x2, Temporal Disruption Device

    Consoles
    Tac - Indoctrination Nanite Dispersal System, Shrapnel Torpedo Launcher, Plasmonic Leech
    Eng - Borg, SIF Mk XII, 2x Neut Mk XII
    Sci - Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [HuH], Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [ShH], Tachyo

    Devices - RMC, SFM, Aux Batt, Eng Batt

    Ferengi D'Kora Marauder w/ Fed-aligned Alien Engineer

    Traits - Accurate, Astrophysicist, Efficient Captain, Elusive, EPS Manifold Efficiency, Grace Under Fire, Helmsman, Techie, Warp Theorist

    Reputation
    New Rom - Enhanced Shield Systems, Emergency Secondary Shielding, Quantum Singularity Manipulation
    Nukara - Fortified Hull, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense, Refracting Tetryon Cascade
    Omega - Hull-Repairing Nanites, Superior Shield Repair

    TT1, APD1, APO1
    TT1
    EPtS1, ExS1, ExS2, AtS3
    EPtS1, ET2
    HE1, TSS2

    DOFFs - ME(ET), 2x SDO(BFI), 2x DCE(AtS)

    Deflector - Borg Mk XII
    Impulse - Borg Mk XII
    Core - something tanky, eh?
    Shields - MACO Mk XII

    Weapons
    Fore - Phased Polaron Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Nanite Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc]x3, Phased Tetryon Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Chroniton Dual Beam Array
    Aft - Nukara Web Mine, Kinetic Cutting Beam, Polarized Disruptor Mk XII [Acc]x2, Temporal Disruption Device

    Consoles
    Tac - Anti-Matter Spread, Battle Module 3000, Plasmonic Leech
    Eng - Borg, SIF Mk XII, 2x Neut Mk XII
    Sci - Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [HuH], Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [ShH], Tachyo

    Devices - RMC, SFM, Aux Batt, Eng Batt

    Cardassian Galor Class Cruiser w/ Fed-aligned Alien Engineer

    Traits - Accurate, Astrophysicist, Efficient Captain, Elusive, EPS Manifold Efficiency, Grace Under Fire, Helmsman, Techie, Warp Theorist

    Reputation
    New Rom - Enhanced Shield Systems, Emergency Secondary Shielding, Quantum Singularity Manipulation
    Nukara - Fortified Hull, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense, Refracting Tetryon Cascade
    Omega - Hull-Repairing Nanites, Superior Shield Repair

    TT1, APD1, APO1
    EPtS1, ExS1, ExS2, AtS3
    EPtS1, ET2
    ST1, TSS2
    HE1

    DOFFs - DLS(ST), ME(ET), 2x SDO(BFI), DCE(AtS)

    Deflector - Borg Mk XII
    Impulse - Borg Mk XII
    Core - something tanky, eh?
    Shields - MACO Mk XII

    Weapons
    Fore - Phased Polaron Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Nanite Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc]x3, Phased Tetryon Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Chroniton Dual Beam Array
    Aft - Nukara Web Mine, Kinetic Cutting Beam, Polarized Disruptor Mk XII [Acc]x2, Temporal Disruption Device

    Consoles
    Tac - Graviton Pulse Generator, Theta Radiation Vents, Plasmonic Leech
    Eng - Borg, SIF Mk XII, 2x Neut Mk XII
    Sci - Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [HuH], Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [ShH], Tachyo

    Devices - RMC, SFM, Aux Batt, Eng Batt

    Fleet Ha'apax Advanced Warbird w/ Fed-aligned Alien Engineer

    Traits - Accurate, Astrophysicist, Efficient Captain, Elusive, EPS Manifold Efficiency, Grace Under Fire, Helmsman, Techie, Warp Theorist

    Reputation
    New Rom - Enhanced Shield Systems, Emergency Secondary Shielding, Quantum Singularity Manipulation
    Nukara - Fortified Hull, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense, Refracting Tetryon Cascade
    Omega - Hull-Repairing Nanites, Superior Shield Repair

    TT1, APD1
    TT1
    EPtS1, ExS1, ExS2, AtS3
    EPtS1, AtD1, ET3
    HE1, TSS2

    DOFFs - ME(ET), 2x SDO(BFI), 2x DCE(AtS)

    Deflector - Borg Mk XII
    Impulse - Borg Mk XII
    Core - something tanky, eh?
    Shields - MACO Mk XII

    Weapons
    Fore - Phased Polaron Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Nanite Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc]x3, Phased Tetryon Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Chroniton Dual Beam Array
    Aft - Nukara Web Mine, Kinetic Cutting Beam, Polarized Disruptor Mk XII [Acc]x2, Temporal Disruption Device

    Consoles
    Tac - Anti-Matter Spread, Plasmonic Leech, Dual Vector Separation
    Eng - Borg, SIF Mk XII, 2x Neut Mk XII, Tachyo
    Sci - Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [HuH], Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [ShH]

    Devices - RMC, SFM, Aux Batt, Eng Batt

    Fleet D'deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser w/ Fed-aligned Alien Engineer

    Traits - Accurate, Astrophysicist, Efficient Captain, Elusive, EPS Manifold Efficiency, Grace Under Fire, Helmsman, Techie, Warp Theorist

    Reputation
    New Rom - Enhanced Shield Systems, Emergency Secondary Shielding, Quantum Singularity Manipulation
    Nukara - Fortified Hull, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense, Refracting Tetryon Cascade
    Omega - Hull-Repairing Nanites, Superior Shield Repair

    TT1, APD1, APO1
    TT1
    EPtS1, ExS1, ExS2, AtS3
    EPtS1
    HE1, TSS2, ST3

    DOFFs - DLS(ST), 2x SDO(BFI), 2x DCE(AtS)

    Deflector - Borg Mk XII
    Impulse - Borg Mk XII
    Core - something tanky, eh?
    Shields - MACO Mk XII

    Weapons
    Fore - Phased Polaron Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Nanite Disruptor Turret Mk XII [Acc]x3, Phased Tetryon Turret Mk XII [Acc]x2, Chroniton Dual Beam Array
    Aft - Nukara Web Mine, Kinetic Cutting Beam, Polarized Disruptor Mk XII [Acc]x2, Temporal Disruption Device

    Consoles
    Tac - Projected Singularity, Molecular Phase Inverter, Plasmonic Leech
    Eng - Borg, SIF Mk XII, 2x Neut Mk XII
    Sci - Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [HuH], Embassy Emitter Array Mk XII [ShH], Tachyo

    Devices - RMC, SFM, Aux Batt, Eng Batt
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