Romulan Ship Scale

mehlinde

Forgive me if this is a topic already discussed. The search was useless as usual.

I just put my Galaxy nose to nose with a D'dedierax, however its spelled. I started calling them Didi's.

The Didi was twice as big. I tried to find TNG pictures when they were nose to nose didn't do to well to find scale. But I think they were more or less even, maybe the Didi was 10 or 15% bigger.

Even if the scale is correct canon wise I think it's a bit much game wise. Especially in sector space. Things are getting crowded

raptram2

Actually, in ST canon the DD warbird has slightly LESS mass than the Galaxy Class. About 250,000 metric tonnes less.

stealthrider

raptram2 wrote: »

Actually, in ST canon the DD warbird has slightly LESS mass than the Galaxy Class. About 250,000 metric tonnes less.

Mass and size are two very different things. The D'deridex has less mass because there's empty space between its wings, but for that same reason it's quite a bit larger than the Galaxy.

darthloki

correct the romulan warbird d'deridex is bigger than the galaxy class starship and someone said that the d'deridex is little bit stranger than the galaxy class that is true but a little bit but mostly even they are

davidwford

The D'Deridex is twice the size (length specifically, but slightly wider). While I would say volume is bigger, that would be misleading. As said before, the mass is slightly less due to the open empty space between the upper and lower wings. I would hazard to say that it has a larger surface area (the interior surface), but a smaller volume than a Galaxy. I think they did a decent size rendering though the Warbird could be bigger, but not as big as a Jupiter dreadnaught or a Scimitar.

Here are some ship size comparison charts courtesy of Bernard Schneider and his site Ex Astris Scientia.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/alien-huge-chart.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/alien-chart.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/fleet-chart.jpg

dontdrunkimshoot

the d'deridex is really fricking big. the nose section is thicker then a galaxy class saucer, and about the same circumference, though its not perfectly round. then it depends on how thick the wings are, to make the ship have anywhere between twice the volume of a galaxy class, to 20 times the volume. the wings on the in game ship model are pretty thick, at least 5 decks thick, the in game ship has massive volume.

and the ha'apax utterly dwarfs the d'deridex, lol. theres no hollow section, just a big thick center cylinder that by itself has many times the volume of the d'deridex. even separated, both sections ether have about the same volume or 2 or 3 times more. and each section ether has double or tripple the turn rate of the d'deridex. its a complete joke.

misterde3

mehlinde wrote: »

Forgive me if this is a topic already discussed. The search was useless as usual.

I just put my Galaxy nose to nose with a D'dedierax, however its spelled. I started calling them Didi's.

The Didi was twice as big. I tried to find TNG pictures when they were nose to nose didn't do to well to find scale. But I think they were more or less even, maybe the Didi was 10 or 15% bigger.

Even if the scale is correct canon wise I think it's a bit much game wise. Especially in sector space. Things are getting crowded

I don't think you'll find such an image.
However Andrew Probert who designed the ship clearly places it at twice the length of the Galaxy class.
I think this image of his design sketch illustrates this:

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/7/77/D%27deridex_design_sketches.jpg

And strangely enough while the size varies a bit between publications, the always show a length of 1 kilometer or more.
Even the old Star Tre "A history in pictures" is consistent on this matter adn it's not even a technical manual of any kind.;)

mehlinde

Okay. I shall consider myself corrected. The size difference did throw me and made me scratch my head though.

misterde3

No problem:)

BTW...when I read the size on that ship the first time...I scratched my head too.

The same thing happened to me years later when I read the size of the Valdore from "Nemesis".

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/8/8f/Nemesis_comparison.jpg

but then I remembered the D'deridex and thought to myself "Why am I surprised? Typical Romulan design";)

misterde3

davidwford wrote: »

The D'Deridex is twice the size (length specifically, but slightly wider). While I would say volume is bigger, that would be misleading. As said before, the mass is slightly less due to the open empty space between the upper and lower wings. I would hazard to say that it has a larger surface area (the interior surface), but a smaller volume than a Galaxy. I think they did a decent size rendering though the Warbird could be bigger, but not as big as a Jupiter dreadnaught or a Scimitar.

Here are some ship size comparison charts courtesy of Bernard Schneider and his site Ex Astris Scientia.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/alien-huge-chart.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/alien-chart.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/fleet-chart.jpg

Just FYI...you can't hotlink to images on EAS.
It's a function Mr Schneider disabled years ago because people tended to link to his site so often it killed his server's limits too many times.;)

saxfire

GET OUT OF OF MY WAY SPACE WHALES AND STOP PUSHING ME, I'M TRYING TO DOCK INTO THIS STATION OVER HERE!! lol

emacsheadroom

This is the exact canon size comparison the op is looking for.

The head alone probably contains more internal space than the entire Galaxy class saucer and stardrive hulls.

I will concede, many of the TNG episodes that featured the D'deridex didn't present it as being quite so large but that has a lot to do with distance and perspective, and some of them did get it right.

davidwford

misterde3 wrote: »

I don't think you'll find such an image.
However Andrew Probert who designed the ship clearly places it at twice the length of the Galaxy class.
I think this image of his design sketch illustrates this:

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/7/77/D%27deridex_design_sketches.jpg

And strangely enough while the size varies a bit between publications, the always show a length of 1 kilometer or more.
Even the old Star Tre "A history in pictures" is consistent on this matter adn it's not even a technical manual of any kind.;)

I know is looks more the Mogai (and the Mogai WAS based off the D'Deridex), but the concept ship that has the D'Deridex nacelles, and head, but no lower wing pylons could make for a good curiser at Tier 3 along side the Mogai.

naevius

Canon aside, the new ships are too big in the game, and their collision boxes seem especially big. Interesting to try to use Warp Plasma in a DD - you can't get close enough to paint the target unless it flies into it!