You know what? I get the craps of people like you. Voyager was a very entertaining series. I didn't watch it when it was on because I was getting married and having kids, but I finally got watch and honestly it is better than TNG in my opinion. Janeway reminded me of a female Kirk and that is what I grew up watching with my dad in the 70s. So forgive me for saying this but shut your pie hole. Voyager was no worse than the others. You want to mock something, mock Enterprise which turned the whole first contact with Klingons on it's ear.
Janeway decried Kirk in the episode "Q2", claiming that the entire lot of them would have been "booted out of Starfleet" for their "cowboy diplomacy". She was nothing like Kirk. She was a "do as I say, not as I do" captain, who punished her crew for breaking the rules and never followed them herself. And it seemed to bear little pattern on what rules she broke or why. The writers were never in tune with the characters and changed almost from one point to the next.
Chakotay went from being a peace-seeking freedom fighter with a deep spiritual past... to a boxing champ who was out of his league and just generally "Uncle Chuckles" in nature.
Torres went from a hot-headed miracle worker in her own right to a muted, softened kitten with a loud roar and nothing special about her in terms of engineering. They should have promoted Carey.
Paris went from a f*k-off ex-con who didn't care about Starfleet or anyone else - to a very moral Howdy-Doody historical culture junkie.
They even made a laughing stock of Q. Q was not supposed to be a comic relief character! He was a treacherous, underhanded imp with a penchant for playing games and hiding his real intentions. Voyager turned him into a prancing fool with a rod-on for an old lady.
Kes' more reserved femininity was replaced by Seven of Nine. Which is like replacing your history teacher with a stripper. I don't blame Jeri Ryan for that; she's a fine actress. But there's not much to be done when they put you in a padded lycra bodysuit and tell you to talk to people like you're better than all of them and you hate being there.
And most notably, Neelix. Neelix, who started as a jealous, angry assh*le with a bone to pick with everyone, to a teddy bear.
The Season One characters had potential. By Season 4, the series was a two-dimensional caricature of itself. They ruined the viability of the Borg as ever being interesting ever again. They turned technology into "look at this magic thing that makes science fiction happen".
Voyager was the the lid on Star Trek's coffin being closed. Enterprise was the first nail being hammer into place. I'm just glad Abrams heard the death horn and saved a perfectly good franchise from suffocating.
And for you to imply that Voyager is better than The Next Generation - shows that you didn't watch The Next Generation at all.
Funny but I view what the JJ-verse did to Star Trek EXACTLY like what Superman Returns (aka Kryptonian Baby Daddy) did to Superman.
In both cases I can't wait for the movie that rights the ship. (And yes Man of Steel might just do it for Supe.)
Abrams' Star Trek is to Superman Returns as to Star Trek Nemesis is to Superman IV. Therefore, your assertion is incorrect; as Superman Returns is critically less bad than Superman IV; ipso facto, your own statement shows that the "ship" is being righted already by Abrams' own efforts.
Janeway decried Kirk in the episode "Q2", claiming that the entire lot of them would have been "booted out of Starfleet" for their "cowboy diplomacy". She was nothing like Kirk. She was a "do as I say, not as I do" captain, who punished her crew for breaking the rules and never followed them herself. And it seemed to bear little pattern on what rules she broke or why. The writers were never in tune with the characters and changed almost from one point to the next.
Chakotay went from being a peace-seeking freedom fighter with a deep spiritual past... to a boxing champ who was out of his league and just generally "Uncle Chuckles" in nature.
Torres went from a hot-headed miracle worker in her own right to a muted, softened kitten with a loud roar and nothing special about her in terms of engineering. They should have promoted Carey.
Paris went from a f*k-off ex-con who didn't care about Starfleet or anyone else - to a very moral Howdy-Doody historical culture junkie.
They even made a laughing stock of Q. Q was not supposed to be a comic relief character! He was a treacherous, underhanded imp with a penchant for playing games and hiding his real intentions. Voyager turned him into a prancing fool with a rod-on for an old lady.
Kes' more reserved femininity was replaced by Seven of Nine. Which is like replacing your history teacher with a stripper. I don't blame Jeri Ryan for that; she's a fine actress. But there's not much to be done when they put you in a padded lycra bodysuit and tell you to talk to people like you're better than all of them and you hate being there.
And most notably, Neelix. Neelix, who started as a jealous, angry assh*le with a bone to pick with everyone, to a teddy bear.
The Season One characters had potential. By Season 4, the series was a two-dimensional caricature of itself. They ruined the viability of the Borg as ever being interesting ever again. They turned technology into "look at this magic thing that makes science fiction happen".
Voyager was the the lid on Star Trek's coffin being closed. Enterprise was the first nail being hammer into place. I'm just glad Abrams heard the death horn and saved a perfectly good franchise from suffocating.
And for you to imply that Voyager is better than The Next Generation - shows that you didn't watch The Next Generation at all.
Abrams' Star Trek is to Superman Returns as to Star Trek Nemesis is to Superman IV. Therefore, your assertion is incorrect; as Superman Returns is critically less bad than Superman IV; ipso facto, your own statement shows that the "ship" is being righted already by Abrams' own efforts.
I agree with everything you just said ive nothing to comment on your post since you said what every trek fans knows in their hearts.
I may not be a abrams fan but i am gratefull he saved trek from the sad fate it had resided itself to after voyager and enterprise.
you seem to be forgetting ENT where romulans had head ridges there as well, well before TOS and their uniforms reflected what a true romulan looks like. if there is ever to be a reboot of TOS, it must be done exactly to the storylines from TOS, if it successful, may as well make a few more seasons of the reboot TOS as long as it makes sense and is considered canon.
i doubt the klingon first contact would of been much different considering the opinion klingons have about a potential enemy in additon to this it is stated that klingons are slow to adapt to changing circumstances.
enterprise was not made in the 60s and was not the first TV series nor was it the first trek to ever be created....it was the last TV series.
head ridges on romlans only appeared during the TNG era before TNG there were no head ridges.
so dont quote a show that was made decades after the original otherwise it shows that you know nothing.
Has anyone ever played ADB's Star Fleet Battles or Federation Commander? Or the old Computer games based on them, Starfleet Command and Starfleet Command II?
Well, in that canon, ships have different grades/strength of phaser arsenal: Phaser 1 (Main weapon, like battleship cannons), Phaser 2 (less powerful, like Frigate/Destroyer guns), and Phaser 3 (rapid firing Point defence). When I watch the JJ Abrams USS Enterprise and the Kelvin, to my mind I see those ph3 at work (they are after all, rapid firing and targeting incoming torpedoes). And I love it!
Has anyone ever played ADB's Star Fleet Battles or Federation Commander? Or the old Computer games based on them, Starfleet Command and Starfleet Command II?
Well, in that canon, ships have different grades/strength of phaser arsenal: Phaser 1 (Main weapon, like battleship cannons), Phaser 2 (less powerful, like Frigate/Destroyer guns), and Phaser 3 (rapid firing Point defence). When I watch the JJ Abrams USS Enterprise and the Kelvin, to my mind I see those ph3 at work (they are after all, rapid firing and targeting incoming torpedoes). And I love it!
Sounds similar to the "Birth of the Federation". It had a variety of weapon strengths and upgrading a ship design gave you a better one.
I agree with everything you just said ive nothing to comment on your post since you said what every trek fans knows in their hearts.
I may not be a abrams fan but i am gratefull he saved trek from the sad fate it had resided itself to after voyager and enterprise.
7of9's uniform with high heels just bugs me. Who wears high heels while in active duty on a ship? For me the heels ruined many of the scenes she was in it just broke immersion(especially the episode where she is with the borg queen with the bad lighting, it feels like 70's sci fi). I grew up watching voy as a teen after school as reruns and for that audience it was fine but mostly the show doesn't age well. I also agree that 7 was just another cold miserable female character that the tng era seemed to love(either that or the unrealistic overly supportive fantasy female character), not that her character didn't have interesting stories, I think an 8th season could have been good.
A TIME TO SEARCH: ENTER MY FOUNDRY MISSION at the RISA SYSTEM Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
Why are we not talking about the travesty of the Gorn in the new game?
Gornzilla... Gorn with tails yeah.... To be fair that is not JJ's fault Gorn were in ST 09 until the scene was cut and they looked a lot like the tos version.
A TIME TO SEARCH: ENTER MY FOUNDRY MISSION at the RISA SYSTEM Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
Not only was "Balance of Terror" in season one of TOS, it was also the first episode featuring a space battle where they had to actually shoot at another ship. Canon, as far as Star Trek's fictional technology, was still far from established. Balance of Terror was supposed to suggest a WWII submarine movie, with the Enterprise taking the role of the destroyer launching depth charges at an unseen enemy, and the cloaked Romulan ship taking the role of the sub lurking underwater, hence the "proximity phasers". It was only later on that the writers added "photon torpedoes" to the show's arsenal and "phasers " from then on became energy beam weapons.
I'm not sure what JJ did with the phasers, they look like some sort of small energized projectile now.
What the episode DID establish was that Vulcans and Romulans were close enough to be related subspecies, or, possibly even the SAME species, and were supposed to look alike. Which is why I'm happy that TNG's horrid Romulan brow ridged are finally gone.
In Star Trek, cannon has always been more of a general guideline than gospel.
1) In Balance of Terror, the ship fires "proximity phasers" and in that early episode they used the effects later used for photon torpedoes; not only the visual but even the sound effects. (This makes sense since the analogy was depth charges, in the submarine hunt metaphor that this episode was.) This is simply just one of those cases where continuity was not yet established. Furthermore that episode is the only one where we ever see "proximity phasers" used.
2) In JJ-Trek '09, the phasers are blasting all over the place, not only not a single beam but more like cannons firing scatter volley. And again like cannons, the fire is in bolts or pulses.
Not sure how you can say "he got it right" when JJ-verse phasers are not beam weapons, period. This is likewise true for the hand phasers.
Bottom line is: in every series and every movie prior to '09, Starfleet ships fired beam weapons. (Except the Defiant and it's DPS cannons. )
I think he went with the more exciting Phasers rather than the slower boringer Phasers.
Time to change our views on Phasers.
Actually I think in the case of hand phasers its more scientifically plausible phasers seeing as a beam of light should travel at you know the speed of light, which means the second they push the trigger you should smell burned skin from the guy who got shot.
Bill's a good guy.... But he's also a really bad actor. No one called him on it for about 20 years, so it's just something he can't break.
Gotta disagree with you there. Sure, there are times when Shatner's almost doing a parody of himself, but when he believes in a role, the man is a hell of an actor.
Every line he delivers in Wrath of Khan is nearly perfect. When he's arrogant (like in the genesis cave), he plays it beautifully. Then later, during Spock's death scene, it's Shatner - not Nimoy - that makes that scene heartbreaking.
And his funeral speech was incredible. Mater of fact, as a kid, the first time I ever saw my own mother cry was during that speech as we watched Wrath of Khan in the theater.
I'll admit he sometimes overacts, but to say he's a really bad actor just isn't fair to Shatner (IMO).
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Janeway decried Kirk in the episode "Q2", claiming that the entire lot of them would have been "booted out of Starfleet" for their "cowboy diplomacy". She was nothing like Kirk. She was a "do as I say, not as I do" captain, who punished her crew for breaking the rules and never followed them herself. And it seemed to bear little pattern on what rules she broke or why. The writers were never in tune with the characters and changed almost from one point to the next.
Chakotay went from being a peace-seeking freedom fighter with a deep spiritual past... to a boxing champ who was out of his league and just generally "Uncle Chuckles" in nature.
Torres went from a hot-headed miracle worker in her own right to a muted, softened kitten with a loud roar and nothing special about her in terms of engineering. They should have promoted Carey.
Paris went from a f*k-off ex-con who didn't care about Starfleet or anyone else - to a very moral Howdy-Doody historical culture junkie.
They even made a laughing stock of Q. Q was not supposed to be a comic relief character! He was a treacherous, underhanded imp with a penchant for playing games and hiding his real intentions. Voyager turned him into a prancing fool with a rod-on for an old lady.
Kes' more reserved femininity was replaced by Seven of Nine. Which is like replacing your history teacher with a stripper. I don't blame Jeri Ryan for that; she's a fine actress. But there's not much to be done when they put you in a padded lycra bodysuit and tell you to talk to people like you're better than all of them and you hate being there.
And most notably, Neelix. Neelix, who started as a jealous, angry assh*le with a bone to pick with everyone, to a teddy bear.
The Season One characters had potential. By Season 4, the series was a two-dimensional caricature of itself. They ruined the viability of the Borg as ever being interesting ever again. They turned technology into "look at this magic thing that makes science fiction happen".
Voyager was the the lid on Star Trek's coffin being closed. Enterprise was the first nail being hammer into place. I'm just glad Abrams heard the death horn and saved a perfectly good franchise from suffocating.
And for you to imply that Voyager is better than The Next Generation - shows that you didn't watch The Next Generation at all.
Abrams' Star Trek is to Superman Returns as to Star Trek Nemesis is to Superman IV. Therefore, your assertion is incorrect; as Superman Returns is critically less bad than Superman IV; ipso facto, your own statement shows that the "ship" is being righted already by Abrams' own efforts.
I agree with everything you just said ive nothing to comment on your post since you said what every trek fans knows in their hearts.
I may not be a abrams fan but i am gratefull he saved trek from the sad fate it had resided itself to after voyager and enterprise.
enterprise was not made in the 60s and was not the first TV series nor was it the first trek to ever be created....it was the last TV series.
head ridges on romlans only appeared during the TNG era before TNG there were no head ridges.
so dont quote a show that was made decades after the original otherwise it shows that you know nothing.
Well, in that canon, ships have different grades/strength of phaser arsenal: Phaser 1 (Main weapon, like battleship cannons), Phaser 2 (less powerful, like Frigate/Destroyer guns), and Phaser 3 (rapid firing Point defence). When I watch the JJ Abrams USS Enterprise and the Kelvin, to my mind I see those ph3 at work (they are after all, rapid firing and targeting incoming torpedoes). And I love it!
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7of9's uniform with high heels just bugs me. Who wears high heels while in active duty on a ship? For me the heels ruined many of the scenes she was in it just broke immersion(especially the episode where she is with the borg queen with the bad lighting, it feels like 70's sci fi). I grew up watching voy as a teen after school as reruns and for that audience it was fine but mostly the show doesn't age well. I also agree that 7 was just another cold miserable female character that the tng era seemed to love(either that or the unrealistic overly supportive fantasy female character), not that her character didn't have interesting stories, I think an 8th season could have been good.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
They were shoddy, but, to be fair, the point of comparison was Spock, and he does have to grab a dude's face in order to read his mind.
Gornzilla... Gorn with tails yeah.... To be fair that is not JJ's fault Gorn were in ST 09 until the scene was cut and they looked a lot like the tos version.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
I'm not sure what JJ did with the phasers, they look like some sort of small energized projectile now.
What the episode DID establish was that Vulcans and Romulans were close enough to be related subspecies, or, possibly even the SAME species, and were supposed to look alike. Which is why I'm happy that TNG's horrid Romulan brow ridged are finally gone.
In Star Trek, cannon has always been more of a general guideline than gospel.
Actually I think in the case of hand phasers its more scientifically plausible phasers seeing as a beam of light should travel at you know the speed of light, which means the second they push the trigger you should smell burned skin from the guy who got shot.
Well later earlier he could do it without touching someone and even managed to mind control a guy from behind a door.
Gotta disagree with you there. Sure, there are times when Shatner's almost doing a parody of himself, but when he believes in a role, the man is a hell of an actor.
Every line he delivers in Wrath of Khan is nearly perfect. When he's arrogant (like in the genesis cave), he plays it beautifully. Then later, during Spock's death scene, it's Shatner - not Nimoy - that makes that scene heartbreaking.
And his funeral speech was incredible. Mater of fact, as a kid, the first time I ever saw my own mother cry was during that speech as we watched Wrath of Khan in the theater.
I'll admit he sometimes overacts, but to say he's a really bad actor just isn't fair to Shatner (IMO).