I'm not sure if it is impossible though i have not been able to finish it.
One time i ran it on elite the others bailed. I stayed in to test my limits, but couldn't get it below 89-90%
With a well equipped team i believe it should be possible to take down, but it's not something that can truthfully be called "easy" at this time.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Please provide some evidence to support your attitude; it's been confirmed, by the Devs, as being impossible. If you think otherwise you need to disprove them
please prove it is impossible. it has been confirmed by me, that it isnt. you need to disprove me
The Elite one can be beaten. The health bar is displayed incorrectly to some players. When I played it it was working correctly, but for some players it was stuck at 99-100%.
I thought the regular one would be easier but it is just as difficult.
All I have to say is this...: KInetic damage, kinetic damage, kinetic damage... and a science officer with atleast a gravity well... (that means you need a team that does mostly kinetic damage; torpedoes, kinetic cutting beam, gravity well, tractor beam repulsors...)
Also when the CE goes into absorption mode, gtfo... (away from the entity...) for the ensuing blast WILL kill everything around it.
I have never done the CE before, because I just find it ridiculous that this creature can actually be beaten by mere torpedoes where as in the next generation it needed a specific soundwave pattern (or sonic signal or something) to shatter it...
I tried it a day or 2 ago with a fleetmate, and we beat it (cant tell if its normal or elite though...) because we teamed up and my fleetmate took charge...
I was a science officer in the wells with just 2 torpedoes (1 front, 1 back; chroniton), gravity well I and tractor beam repulsors III (Reman bridge officer). Oh and disruptor beams (2 dbb and 2 array's aft).
To be honest I felt kinda useless unless I had either my torpedoes ready that I could High Yield (II) into the thing or until my gravwell was good to go or my TBR was ready...
well, anyone who has some grasp of the meaning of difficult, know tht beating something that is nearly impossible is not "easy."
if you are not up for the challange it is not the fault of the event
All i have to say is "Pics or it didn't happen"
The Regen rate is physically, (or digitally) impossible to overcome. There is no way a team of 10 players can overcome that regen. Also, the devs have mentioned that it is broke, so your "Challenge" is getting fixed so that 10 players working together might be able to complete it, not just elite 'scorts decked out specifically for this one challenge.
Lifting 700 lbs is a challenge. Lifting 70,000 lbs is impossible.
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says you. you proved nothing either, so I say you have to provide proof that it is unbeatable
How about this post by Borticus that was frequentlycited and explicitly states "it would require more DPS than even the most hardcore ten-man team could muster" because the regeneration rate is so high?
How about this post by Borticus that was frequentlycited and explicitly states "it would require more DPS than even the most hardcore ten-man team could muster" because the regeneration rate is so high?
and it does not state it is impossible. it only needs a better team than the most hardcore team of 10. its a nice challange, nothing more
says you. you proved nothing either, so I say you have to provide proof that it is unbeatable
One cannot 'prove' a negative. If you have actually beaten it, then explain how you did so, when the Devs have stated it cannot physically be done and several of the top DPS teams (who are very well known) can't do it, when a no-name like you claims to do so.
Three Options:
1) You are lying for e-peen and no one believes you
2) You didn't play elite
3) You are telling the truth and somehow the devs, programmers and everyone else is wrong, and you are some kind of magical god.
What team were you on? List some handles. If you don't have screenshots, screenshot your build and let's see how much DPS it puts out.
One cannot 'prove' a negative. If you have actually beaten it, then explain how you did so, when the Devs have stated it cannot physically be done and several of the top DPS teams (who are very well known) can't do it, when a no-name like you claims to do so.
Three Options:
1) You are lying for e-peen and no one believes you
2) You didn't play elite
3) You are telling the truth and somehow the devs, programmers and everyone else is wrong, and you are some kind of magical god.
What team were you on? List some handles. If you don't have screenshots, screenshot your build and let's see how much DPS it puts out.
If you can't put up, shut up.
oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...
first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all (have you seen the guys who were shouting sciscisci in this topic, or was it hard to interpret as well?)
1)rude
2)untrue
3)I cannot deny that part about me, and the devs are not lying, you just do not understand what they said, there is a difference
naming is against the forum rules, and the last thing I want for my friends, you harrassing them
the crystalline entity has been a thorn in everyones sides since game launch before it went free to play. i don't see why cryptic doesn't just remove the crystalline entity from the game. nobody wants to kill the thing or even attempt to kill it as it is an impossible boss raid mob whatever you want to call it to kill. i'm speaking the truth here when i say that this single mob has been a thorne/pain in every players side since the game was launched.
oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...
first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all (have you seen the guys who were shouting sciscisci in this topic, or was it hard to interpret as well?)
1)rude
2)untrue
3)I cannot deny that part about me, and the devs are not lying, you just do not understand what they said, there is a difference
naming is against the forum rules, and the last thing I want for my friends, you harrassing them
I see you have yet to meet kindness, and most definately intelligence :rolleyes:
Move along please.
I managed to get the CE below 66% and if anyone else has gotten this far they will see that the absorption time is about 5 sec and the shockwave wiped out my ENTIRE TEAM. and of course, due to the ungodly regen rate it was back at 100% by the time we all respawned and reengaged.
Its one thing to make something hard, but its totally different to make it utterly impossible.
e.g. No Win Scenario and Hive: Onslaught Elite are hard, Crystalline Catastrophe Elite is impossible
facepalm - major facepalm - In fact this was issued by Major Facepalm - he needs to be demoted
Light Speed! - No, light speed is too slow. We need LUDICROUS SPEED!
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oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...
first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all (have you seen the guys who were shouting sciscisci in this topic, or was it hard to interpret as well?)
1)rude
2)untrue
3)I cannot deny that part about me, and the devs are not lying, you just do not understand what they said, there is a difference
naming is against the forum rules, and the last thing I want for my friends, you harrassing them
No, that is not the entirety of what was said. It would require that much DPS to get past the FIRST stage. The regen rate was ramped up in the second and third stage according to the Devs, to the point that it's unbeatable.
In short, it was allowing the Entity to regenerate so many hitpoints that it would require far more DPS than even the most hardcore 10-man team could ever hope to muster (around 18k DPS, per player). And then it ramped up from there, during Phase 2 and Phase 3 (after each explosion).
Emphasis mine.
You can use all the sci powers you want. SNB does not remove the regen. Throwing damaging powers at it does nothing either. PSW doesn't disable and ends up blowing up small shards only adding to the healing.
If you're going to lie, at least be believable. NO one has got it below 60%. No team can average greater than 18k DPS and even if they did it would have to be even HIGHER than that for Phase 2 and even higher again for Phase 3.
Since you claim to be so good, perhaps you could share how your imaginary team managed to do what no one else could. The two people who've claimed to beat it in other threads were confirmed to be lying and having beaten the regular version.
What you are doing should result in a ban. There are serious bugs with this encounter that the devs have confirmed and you are attempting to say there are not.
AP 4x adv fleet DHC [acc]x2[dmg]x2 + Rommy torp + Borg Cutting beam + AP turret + 3 AP tac consoles blue XI or equiv. = max dps of ~16-17k
and you want my 9 other teammates to have a setup with similar or greater DPS and not expect everyone to get melted instantaneously by an OP AP beam?
Yea that's realistic... especially with everyone screaming SCI SCI SCI SCI !!!!!!!!(I've never seen a sci ship EVER get above 12k dps)
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oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...
first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all
Ok...many, more, most.
Good, better, best.
Fast, faster, fastest.
The thing about the last in those word sequences is that, in the english language, they refer to ultimate states.
You can not be faster than the fastest, better than the best......or, crucially, more than the most.
'The most elite DPs team'. The STO team that are, literally, better at DPS than any other team.We know thats what was meant via the artful use of the word most.
So, according to you, it's actually possible to out-DPS the literally best DPs team in the game, thus beating the CE. Or, take another approach entirely and go all science.
The former is clearly a logical impossibility that I'll put down to a bad dose of the smarmies.
However, if you truly did use the second method to take the Ce down, then please share the broad technique.
Was it all gravity wells? Sub-nukes? Is there some weird synergy that turns feedback pulse into a regen killer?
If you have out-thought the CE, as we know its impossible for it to have been out-fought, then please.....enlighten your humble audience.
I really don't understand your Problem. In 5 times CC, the Enity was killed 2 times, and I am pretty sure I and the other players were not the best players. Of course, the other 3 times, it was a pretty long game without winning, but it was still beatable 2 times. But, by the Way, no Crystal Shard was given as Reward.
What a great story, high dps players go into a pve with some level of actual challenge beyond banging ur facr on the keyboard and becomming level 80 in wow, then they failed.
This story illustrates an inbalance in the game mostly due to trying to cater to everyone at once. Keeping PvP,ers happy and newbies who have a long way to go and to learn in an ever-changing game system.
Tanks and aggro machines do and can have a legitmate use.
Science does have a use. Sounds like you could have used one or two well built ones into the mix. As i recall the old crystalline enitity tutorial mentions this in endless detail methods and setups for success.
Frankly I am glad you died. There needs to be A. a challenge to the game B. the actual risk of failure and thus learning. C. more missions that require a mixed team to win
Honestly this game is so gimme on ground and space i usually space out in ground or space simply following visual cues a hamster could manage, allowing auto target and auto fire to do most of the heavy work.
If you want the game to be more like it is now, just complain everytime the high dps thing the point and blast everything method doesn't save you. By extension rather than using your brain and the ability to reason simply plaster the forums with complaints that will be echo'ed by the meek masses until cryptic says "OH!, we better nerf or buff that"
JK in a world of subpar mmo's STO floats happily at the top of the bowl with a far smaller team resources and possibly even less skill and experience as a tech team.
I mean these guys are just beggin to through their money at them, too much to ask to see abudget? a bad centralized pipeline? maybe you could just tell us what you need in downtime or dontations for a proper redundant and more high end intrusion detections. better data center machines. All those things you seem to have to tweak continually.
I love watching guys try to play with the game packets to get more bang for their bandwidth buck. Just like now that tends to go badly for people. Lots of "do-over's"
The thing about the last in those word sequences is that, in the english language, they refer to ultimate states.
You can not be faster than the fastest, better than the best......or, crucially, more than the most.
'The most elite DPs team'. The STO team that are, literally, better at DPS than any other team.We know thats what was meant via the artful use of the word most.
So, according to you, it's actually possible to out-DPS the literally best DPs team in the game, thus beating the CE. Or, take another approach entirely and go all science.
The former is clearly a logical impossibility that I'll put down to a bad dose of the smarmies.
However, if you truly did use the second method to take the Ce down, then please share the broad technique.
Was it all gravity wells? Sub-nukes? Is there some weird synergy that turns feedback pulse into a regen killer?
If you have out-thought the CE, as we know its impossible for it to have been out-fought, then please.....enlighten your humble audience.
Actually now that you mention feedback pulse I bet that would put a serious dent into the CE especially when you get your PG over the 300 mark. Not a bad idea at all.
PS: Elite CE is still needs retuned no matter what.
One cannot 'prove' a negative. If you have actually beaten it, then explain how you did so, when the Devs have stated it cannot physically be done and several of the top DPS teams (who are very well known) can't do it, when a no-name like you claims to do so.
Three Options:
1) You are lying for e-peen and no one believes you
2) You didn't play elite
3) You are telling the truth and somehow the devs, programmers and everyone else is wrong, and you are some kind of magical god.
What team were you on? List some handles. If you don't have screenshots, screenshot your build and let's see how much DPS it puts out.
If you can't put up, shut up.
I have to agree with ferdzo ont his matter, as he said you cannot prove to be wrong but it doesnt mean that he is wrong, tell us, does god exist? give us proof. thats exactly what you are asking right here. I believe that the entity is possiple, it just needs good team wit healing, dps, and crows control to disable the beams the entity uses, such as SNB to reduce the beam cooldowns, boarding party to remove the beams entirely, gravity well to keep it on one spot with the shards, and most important, losts of beta and disruptor to reduce it's defence.
I don't have interests in trying to beat it but I ensure that 18k dps is possiple, and even 27k dps is possiple, and if 10 people are involved, I beleive 33k dps is possiple with enough beta/fomm/sensor scan spamming. PER PLAYER!
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If the people who work on and created this game say that it's next to impossible and the best DPS teams say its impossible - Then I'm inclined to think its impossible.
If you have the nerve to come on this thread and say that you personally beat the Crystalline Entity event on ELITE difficulty, post LoR update, then in my view you are a liar until proven truthful.
I seriously doubt this STF is beatable
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Why does Cryptic keep doing this to itself? Aside from the numerous problems and bugs, why does it go and create an extremely frustrating CE event just like had before. They pulled it because it was so broken and waited a long time to bring it back.
The did a nice job with CE event a couple of months ago. So now, instead of mildly increasing the difficulty for (normal version) they ramp it up the max. I compared my run previously with this one.
We managed to get it to 50% but pug mates were dying left and right. As we get past that mark the damage done by CE goes up dramatically. I am keeping myself alive as I have a cruiser with all the fixinss ... boffs, miracle workers, etc and all the right traits. Eventually, people get frustrated and start to leave. Eventually, even I run out of my buffs / heals and start dying. At this point it is regenerating much faster than we can damage it.
I give up. 15 minutes gone straight to hell. Normal CE is now much tougher than easier elite STFs. I know because I have done them over ... and over ... and over again. Even with unskilled players it was nowhere near this bad.
Cryptic don't do this again. This is what makes people abandon games.
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literary gold, and straight to the point, over 30 maps and no winners, sorry but no one is going to premake this under 2 teams, and evety time, someone will show up with a "bran new 50" and kill the map ... lol sorry but this needs an epic nerf to make it playable, the shard turn in and "goodie bag" for them the way the elete mode is currently makes it a troll, latly there are to many big bugs doing on in STO to want to play, i came back a few weeks ago and i am left with to many questions as to how something can turn out this way, i looked forward to LoR and all but, maybe it was just wishful thinking ...
first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all (have you seen the guys who were shouting sciscisci in this topic, or was it hard to interpret as well?)
You are correct that CE Elite can be beaten. However it currently has not been. Arguing that the possibility exists is ultimately meaningless because the only way to prove it is for that possibility to be realized.
It is entirely possible that a person could lift 7,000 lbs unaided. Until it is verified however that is all it is. A possibility. That goes against verified evidence and experience with how the human body is built and what people have done/observed to be done.
In short, possibilities are to be assumed false until they are confirmed true.
CE Elite is different than CE Normal. CE Normal is much like the CE Event, though a bit more challenging. The Entity stacks it's buffs faster and the reduced damage zone for about 4km around it is new/enlarged. But it is perfectly completable. I have yet to fail CE Normal, even in teams that have stalled at it's lower health stages. (A 1-5% Entity that deals out escort level one-shots being one of them.) I have completed it on characters that were freshly 50 and had exchange-bought Mk IX/X/XI uncommon items with some rare/very rare stuff mixed in.
Those lower health stages of CE Normal are far less intense than CE Elite at high health. My experience in a pug group was getting it to 80% repeatedly. As in, we'd struggle to get it that low and then it would heal back up because we are unable to maintain the damage to overcome it's regeneration.
I have to agree with ferdzo ont his matter, as he said you cannot prove to be wrong but it doesnt mean that he is wrong, tell us, does god exist? give us proof. thats exactly what you are asking right here. I believe that the entity is possiple, it just needs good team wit healing, dps, and crows control to disable the beams the entity uses, such as SNB to reduce the beam cooldowns, boarding party to remove the beams entirely, gravity well to keep it on one spot with the shards, and most important, losts of beta and disruptor to reduce it's defence.
I don't have interests in trying to beat it but I ensure that 18k dps is possiple, and even 27k dps is possiple, and if 10 people are involved, I beleive 33k dps is possiple with enough beta/fomm/sensor scan spamming. PER PLAYER!
18k sustained DPS. I've spiked as high as 22k, but big deal -- the regen is the problem. To even GET to 18k you have to use SNB , BP's and spam sensor scan constantly. Holding that without f'ing up the rotation is extremely hard. Worse, the large frag explosions literally cannot be healed through. SS doesn't work, knockback doesn't work on the main thing, and spiking your DPS only works for so long. You should give it a shot, the regeneration becomes INSANE.
My team has tried this quite a bit. Everyone who claims to have beaten it on elite cannot or will not provide screenshot proof, or any hint of their layouts, or even the handle of someone who was on their team. I can easily list the handles of my team mates (and how bad we got owned on Elite), so why not , if it's so 'easy' display the information?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So far, we've got one guy claiming he can achieve something that known elite teams with years of history can't. Suuuure.
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One time i ran it on elite the others bailed. I stayed in to test my limits, but couldn't get it below 89-90%
With a well equipped team i believe it should be possible to take down, but it's not something that can truthfully be called "easy" at this time.
please prove it is impossible. it has been confirmed by me, that it isnt. you need to disprove me
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
I thought the regular one would be easier but it is just as difficult.
Also when the CE goes into absorption mode, gtfo... (away from the entity...) for the ensuing blast WILL kill everything around it.
I have never done the CE before, because I just find it ridiculous that this creature can actually be beaten by mere torpedoes where as in the next generation it needed a specific soundwave pattern (or sonic signal or something) to shatter it...
I tried it a day or 2 ago with a fleetmate, and we beat it (cant tell if its normal or elite though...) because we teamed up and my fleetmate took charge...
I was a science officer in the wells with just 2 torpedoes (1 front, 1 back; chroniton), gravity well I and tractor beam repulsors III (Reman bridge officer). Oh and disruptor beams (2 dbb and 2 array's aft).
To be honest I felt kinda useless unless I had either my torpedoes ready that I could High Yield (II) into the thing or until my gravwell was good to go or my TBR was ready...
Anyway, kinetic damage...
I believe it was on normal by the way...
Agreed....I suspect some here have empty boasts.
Just to fix the issue I implore the devs to put a server wide message, not unlike Kobiyashi, when they beat it..
then we can see for real these boasts...or just empty windbags talking TRIBBLE.
I suspect it is glitched to the point of healing far too quicklly..I am yet to see any glitched HP issues yet
Unless of course if the devs wanted an action for pure dps ships and their captains....
says you. you proved nothing either, so I say you have to provide proof that it is unbeatable
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
All i have to say is "Pics or it didn't happen"
The Regen rate is physically, (or digitally) impossible to overcome. There is no way a team of 10 players can overcome that regen. Also, the devs have mentioned that it is broke, so your "Challenge" is getting fixed so that 10 players working together might be able to complete it, not just elite 'scorts decked out specifically for this one challenge.
Lifting 700 lbs is a challenge. Lifting 70,000 lbs is impossible.
How about this post by Borticus that was frequently cited and explicitly states "it would require more DPS than even the most hardcore ten-man team could muster" because the regeneration rate is so high?
and it does not state it is impossible. it only needs a better team than the most hardcore team of 10. its a nice challange, nothing more
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Yes, it is impossible, because the event can only be played by ten people at any given time.
and lifting any wieght is possible its called "forklift trucks"
How is any of this relevant? The event is impossible to complete, regardless of what ship type you use.
One cannot 'prove' a negative. If you have actually beaten it, then explain how you did so, when the Devs have stated it cannot physically be done and several of the top DPS teams (who are very well known) can't do it, when a no-name like you claims to do so.
Three Options:
1) You are lying for e-peen and no one believes you
2) You didn't play elite
3) You are telling the truth and somehow the devs, programmers and everyone else is wrong, and you are some kind of magical god.
What team were you on? List some handles. If you don't have screenshots, screenshot your build and let's see how much DPS it puts out.
If you can't put up, shut up.
oh the internet, where kindness and intelligence meets...
first off, devs said it requires more DPS than the most elite DPS team can put out. which does not mean it cannot be beaten. it means that either you have to out dps those teams, or should not go for dps at all (have you seen the guys who were shouting sciscisci in this topic, or was it hard to interpret as well?)
1)rude
2)untrue
3)I cannot deny that part about me, and the devs are not lying, you just do not understand what they said, there is a difference
naming is against the forum rules, and the last thing I want for my friends, you harrassing them
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
I see you have yet to meet kindness, and most definately intelligence :rolleyes:
Move along please.
Its one thing to make something hard, but its totally different to make it utterly impossible.
e.g. No Win Scenario and Hive: Onslaught Elite are hard, Crystalline Catastrophe Elite is impossible
facepalm - major facepalm - In fact this was issued by Major Facepalm - he needs to be demoted
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No, that is not the entirety of what was said. It would require that much DPS to get past the FIRST stage. The regen rate was ramped up in the second and third stage according to the Devs, to the point that it's unbeatable.
Emphasis mine.
You can use all the sci powers you want. SNB does not remove the regen. Throwing damaging powers at it does nothing either. PSW doesn't disable and ends up blowing up small shards only adding to the healing.
If you're going to lie, at least be believable. NO one has got it below 60%. No team can average greater than 18k DPS and even if they did it would have to be even HIGHER than that for Phase 2 and even higher again for Phase 3.
Since you claim to be so good, perhaps you could share how your imaginary team managed to do what no one else could. The two people who've claimed to beat it in other threads were confirmed to be lying and having beaten the regular version.
What you are doing should result in a ban. There are serious bugs with this encounter that the devs have confirmed and you are attempting to say there are not.
Andorian Charal Escort:
AP 4x adv fleet DHC [acc]x2[dmg]x2 + Rommy torp + Borg Cutting beam + AP turret + 3 AP tac consoles blue XI or equiv. = max dps of ~16-17k
and you want my 9 other teammates to have a setup with similar or greater DPS and not expect everyone to get melted instantaneously by an OP AP beam?
Yea that's realistic... especially with everyone screaming SCI SCI SCI SCI !!!!!!!!(I've never seen a sci ship EVER get above 12k dps)
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Ok...many, more, most.
Good, better, best.
Fast, faster, fastest.
The thing about the last in those word sequences is that, in the english language, they refer to ultimate states.
You can not be faster than the fastest, better than the best......or, crucially, more than the most.
'The most elite DPs team'. The STO team that are, literally, better at DPS than any other team.We know thats what was meant via the artful use of the word most.
So, according to you, it's actually possible to out-DPS the literally best DPs team in the game, thus beating the CE. Or, take another approach entirely and go all science.
The former is clearly a logical impossibility that I'll put down to a bad dose of the smarmies.
However, if you truly did use the second method to take the Ce down, then please share the broad technique.
Was it all gravity wells? Sub-nukes? Is there some weird synergy that turns feedback pulse into a regen killer?
If you have out-thought the CE, as we know its impossible for it to have been out-fought, then please.....enlighten your humble audience.
This story illustrates an inbalance in the game mostly due to trying to cater to everyone at once. Keeping PvP,ers happy and newbies who have a long way to go and to learn in an ever-changing game system.
Tanks and aggro machines do and can have a legitmate use.
Science does have a use. Sounds like you could have used one or two well built ones into the mix. As i recall the old crystalline enitity tutorial mentions this in endless detail methods and setups for success.
Frankly I am glad you died. There needs to be A. a challenge to the game B. the actual risk of failure and thus learning. C. more missions that require a mixed team to win
Honestly this game is so gimme on ground and space i usually space out in ground or space simply following visual cues a hamster could manage, allowing auto target and auto fire to do most of the heavy work.
If you want the game to be more like it is now, just complain everytime the high dps thing the point and blast everything method doesn't save you. By extension rather than using your brain and the ability to reason simply plaster the forums with complaints that will be echo'ed by the meek masses until cryptic says "OH!, we better nerf or buff that"
JK in a world of subpar mmo's STO floats happily at the top of the bowl with a far smaller team resources and possibly even less skill and experience as a tech team.
I mean these guys are just beggin to through their money at them, too much to ask to see abudget? a bad centralized pipeline? maybe you could just tell us what you need in downtime or dontations for a proper redundant and more high end intrusion detections. better data center machines. All those things you seem to have to tweak continually.
I love watching guys try to play with the game packets to get more bang for their bandwidth buck. Just like now that tends to go badly for people. Lots of "do-over's"
Actually now that you mention feedback pulse I bet that would put a serious dent into the CE especially when you get your PG over the 300 mark. Not a bad idea at all.
PS: Elite CE is still needs retuned no matter what.
I have to agree with ferdzo ont his matter, as he said you cannot prove to be wrong but it doesnt mean that he is wrong, tell us, does god exist? give us proof. thats exactly what you are asking right here. I believe that the entity is possiple, it just needs good team wit healing, dps, and crows control to disable the beams the entity uses, such as SNB to reduce the beam cooldowns, boarding party to remove the beams entirely, gravity well to keep it on one spot with the shards, and most important, losts of beta and disruptor to reduce it's defence.
I don't have interests in trying to beat it but I ensure that 18k dps is possiple, and even 27k dps is possiple, and if 10 people are involved, I beleive 33k dps is possiple with enough beta/fomm/sensor scan spamming. PER PLAYER!
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If you have the nerve to come on this thread and say that you personally beat the Crystalline Entity event on ELITE difficulty, post LoR update, then in my view you are a liar until proven truthful.
I seriously doubt this STF is beatable
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The did a nice job with CE event a couple of months ago. So now, instead of mildly increasing the difficulty for (normal version) they ramp it up the max. I compared my run previously with this one.
We managed to get it to 50% but pug mates were dying left and right. As we get past that mark the damage done by CE goes up dramatically. I am keeping myself alive as I have a cruiser with all the fixinss ... boffs, miracle workers, etc and all the right traits. Eventually, people get frustrated and start to leave. Eventually, even I run out of my buffs / heals and start dying. At this point it is regenerating much faster than we can damage it.
I give up. 15 minutes gone straight to hell. Normal CE is now much tougher than easier elite STFs. I know because I have done them over ... and over ... and over again. Even with unskilled players it was nowhere near this bad.
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literary gold, and straight to the point, over 30 maps and no winners, sorry but no one is going to premake this under 2 teams, and evety time, someone will show up with a "bran new 50" and kill the map ... lol sorry but this needs an epic nerf to make it playable, the shard turn in and "goodie bag" for them the way the elete mode is currently makes it a troll, latly there are to many big bugs doing on in STO to want to play, i came back a few weeks ago and i am left with to many questions as to how something can turn out this way, i looked forward to LoR and all but, maybe it was just wishful thinking ...
You are correct that CE Elite can be beaten. However it currently has not been. Arguing that the possibility exists is ultimately meaningless because the only way to prove it is for that possibility to be realized.
It is entirely possible that a person could lift 7,000 lbs unaided. Until it is verified however that is all it is. A possibility. That goes against verified evidence and experience with how the human body is built and what people have done/observed to be done.
In short, possibilities are to be assumed false until they are confirmed true.
CE Elite is different than CE Normal. CE Normal is much like the CE Event, though a bit more challenging. The Entity stacks it's buffs faster and the reduced damage zone for about 4km around it is new/enlarged. But it is perfectly completable. I have yet to fail CE Normal, even in teams that have stalled at it's lower health stages. (A 1-5% Entity that deals out escort level one-shots being one of them.) I have completed it on characters that were freshly 50 and had exchange-bought Mk IX/X/XI uncommon items with some rare/very rare stuff mixed in.
Those lower health stages of CE Normal are far less intense than CE Elite at high health. My experience in a pug group was getting it to 80% repeatedly. As in, we'd struggle to get it that low and then it would heal back up because we are unable to maintain the damage to overcome it's regeneration.
18k sustained DPS. I've spiked as high as 22k, but big deal -- the regen is the problem. To even GET to 18k you have to use SNB , BP's and spam sensor scan constantly. Holding that without f'ing up the rotation is extremely hard. Worse, the large frag explosions literally cannot be healed through. SS doesn't work, knockback doesn't work on the main thing, and spiking your DPS only works for so long. You should give it a shot, the regeneration becomes INSANE.
My team has tried this quite a bit. Everyone who claims to have beaten it on elite cannot or will not provide screenshot proof, or any hint of their layouts, or even the handle of someone who was on their team. I can easily list the handles of my team mates (and how bad we got owned on Elite), so why not , if it's so 'easy' display the information?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So far, we've got one guy claiming he can achieve something that known elite teams with years of history can't. Suuuure.