Give me 1 good reason I should use Borg Shield

pulserazor

I thought I would try out the borg shield since I had not tried it since the latest changes to the set happened. I may as well not have a shield at all. Parsed the combat log, pitiful numbers. For a tier 5 reputation item costing 900 marks and 34k dilthium, it sure is bad.

Give me one good reason I would want to use this item, or a build/class/ship that could acually benefit from having it. I would LOVE to hear a dev weigh in on this one, but I suspect it would never happen.

reginamala78

1, the Kinetic Cutting Beam does extra damage to targets caught in a Borg Tractor Beam.

2, between the Shield Regenerative proc and the generally high regeneration rate anyways, it may have a low cap but it regenerates quite quickly.

Not the best shield in the game, but maybe #5 on the list.

guilli88

in terms of pve, all shield regeneration is useless everywhere. The damage you get happens faster than the 6 second regeneration cycle.


What would fix every shield regeneration bonus/items (shields, reputation bonus, console) would be to put shield regeneration on a 2 second cycle. That way your shields will actually regenerate while taking damage. Right now you lose your shields faster than the 6 second cycle.

So every 2 seconds your shields would regenerate. To make it even more balanced, just keep the numbers. So borg shields would regenerate 300 shield every 2 seconds instead of every 6 seconds.

A regeneration build would actually work that way! (1500 regen/2seconds) if my headmath is correct.

centersolace

The Borg shield is only good with EPS, Tactical Team, and other shield regenerating abilities. Give yourself some shield rengen consoles, and you'll be set. Your shields will be constantly falling, but they will have 90% uptime. Considering that shields are effective no matter their health, you'll be fine. Couple that with a ship with high heath, and the Borg weapons bonuses, and you will be a force to be reckoned.

Keep in mind the Borg stuff is almost useless on escorts. They are however, basically must haves for any ship below a 10 turn rate.

tcostik

guilli88 wrote: »

To make it even more balanced, just keep the numbers. So borg shields would regenerate 300 shield every 2 seconds instead of every 6 seconds.

A regeneration build would actually work that way! (1500 regen/2seconds) if my headmath is correct.

How would this be more balanced? You'd have three times the amount of regen you have now.

guilli88

tcostik wrote: »

How would this be more balanced? You'd have three times the amount of regen you have now.

Because the shield regen stat is near useless now as it is.

It's better to pick any shield other than regeneration shields.
It's better to pick any console other than the +shield regeneration ones.

hasukurobi

reginamala78 wrote: »

1, the Kinetic Cutting Beam does extra damage to targets caught in a Borg Tractor Beam.

2, between the Shield Regenerative proc and the generally high regeneration rate anyways, it may have a low cap but it regenerates quite quickly.

Not the best shield in the game, but maybe #5 on the list.

^This...

Honestly, the Borg Shield may be small but add in any extra Shield Regen and it will regenerate to full ON ITS OWN in the blink of an eye. Any shield heals will make this even more insane. When you are fighting to keep a bigger shield up in the face of all sorts of shield annihilating BS this thing will still be there because it bounds back in an instant.

It is great on Cloakers, Hull Tankers, Energy Drainers, and Escort types with enough hull to take a hit now and then with their Defense Bonus.


The MACO is probably the BEST shield in the game. The HG shield is rather lackluster for anything besides PvP (Mostly because its proc does not WORK against NPC's worth a darn it seems), and the Omega shield is a more pathetic variant of the Borg one (assuming you have the full Borg set anyway).

assimilatedktar

pulserazor wrote: »

I thought I would try out the borg shield since I had not tried it since the latest changes to the set happened. I may as well not have a shield at all. Parsed the combat log, pitiful numbers. For a tier 5 reputation item costing 900 marks and 34k dilthium, it sure is bad.

Give me one good reason I would want to use this item, or a build/class/ship that could acually benefit from having it. I would LOVE to hear a dev weigh in on this one, but I suspect it would never happen.

Stupid question: What kind of ship are you using it on? I used the Borg set on a Peghqu' Heavy Destroyer and died all the time. Then I switched it to a Kamarag-class battle cruiser which can take tons of punishment with it.

wilbor2

go MACO or KHG 2 set bonus there the best in the game for PvE Borg is just TRIBBLE since there changed it. im saying this as a vet of about 1000 elite missions with 4x the elite team commander accolade and i got it the old way on all 4 chars.

seansamurai1

The MACO XII was the best in the game.
It's been overtaken by the elite fleet shields.
Whilst having a slightly lower cap, they do regen as fast as the MACO resilient but the fleet shields have some hellish resistances which works well in PvE and silly well in PvP.

Borg, omega and Aegis shields are all cr*p tbh. I'm still having success with the Borg engine and deflector combined with elite resilient (used to be MACO).

smokeybacon90

As others have said, don't waste the assets getting it, and use the Maco Mk XII, or even better, the Elite Fleet ResB Adapt shields. The Assimilated Engine and Deflector are a good pair though.

szerontzur

It's a great shield for proper science ships that don't waste most of their energy on weapons. Their naturally higher shield modifier compensates for the lower shield capacity and the extra power in shields mean they have some really monsterous regen(and resistance). My torpedo Vesta can handle elite Donatra's full wrath without a shield breach and go toe to toe against elite tac cubes and sphere-swarms without a scratch.

It's workable on cruisers with eng captains as well, but they will undoubtably leak damage(which isn't as big of a deal if you're running aux2sif and some armor). Just don't put the shield on anything with a sub 1.0 shield mod.

reynoldsxd

haha... my half assed builds gets around 1.3k regen per 6 secs with the borg shield.


Thats like one free epts 1 every 6 sec.

That aside: borg hull regen, shield proc and tractor beam that can do lolwtf damage when buffed and combined with the cutting beam.



+ the borg sets gives additional power to a system without it being conditional.




In pvp, the difference between the borg shield and the other shields is ultimately immaterial. Unless its elite fleet stuff. ^^

topset

centersolace wrote: »

Keep in mind the Borg stuff is almost useless on escorts. They are however, basically must haves for any ship below a 10 turn rate.

Borg deflector/engine is absolutely ESSENTIAL on an escort if you're running without many/any hull heals.

I only run with HE1 and without the 2pc borg hull regeneration I die a lot. Borg set has its place in every setup, but the shield doesn't.

peter1z9

Full borg can be useful on a cruiser but you have to run full shield power for it to be worth the regeneration. Full borg can also be useful on cruisers running a hardcore A2B build.
Other than that you are better off running Borg Engines + Deflector with either XII MACO or Elite Fleet ResB Adapt shields (especially on Escorts).

wildthyme467989

pulserazor wrote: »

I thought I would try out the borg shield since I had not tried it since the latest changes to the set happened. I may as well not have a shield at all. Parsed the combat log, pitiful numbers. For a tier 5 reputation item costing 900 marks and 34k dilthium, it sure is bad.

Give me one good reason I would want to use this item, or a build/class/ship that could acually benefit from having it. I would LOVE to hear a dev weigh in on this one, but I suspect it would never happen.

One good reason. The most obvious one is "because you can"

starboardnacelle

seansamurai1 wrote: »

The MACO XII was the best in the game.
It's been overtaken by the elite fleet shields.
Whilst having a slightly lower cap, they do regen as fast as the MACO resilient but the fleet shields have some hellish resistances which works well in PvE and silly well in PvP.

Borg, omega and Aegis shields are all cr*p tbh. I'm still having success with the Borg engine and deflector combined with elite resilient (used to be MACO).

I'd actually argue that the M.A.C.O. Mark XII Resilient is still one of the best shields in the game, and better than Elite Fleet shields for PvE. It offers an inherent 10% energy resistance across the board, which affords it better unbuffed spike damage protection than Fleet shields in PvP. In PvE, with the extra capacity over an Elite Fleet Resilient, it's better against the Borg because the Fleet shields can't build resistance to kinetic damage. That's the Borg's primary damage type.

jstewart55

In the six/seven months or so I've been using it (got the Borg set before S7 turned it into Borg Mk XI) I haven't died. :eek:

pulserazor

Thank you, I shall try it out on some different ships, the only one I have unlocked it on was a bop, hoping to benefit from the free tractor beam and use the boff slot for something else. I will try it on my sci someday.

A lot of these comments make sense, the only ships I have seen using it and not crumbling were not escorts.

tsurutafan01

Are people actually awful enough at this game that they've convinced themselves that the Borg shield is awful?

Man, that's just sad.

this1isavailable

pulserazor wrote: »

For a tier 5 reputation item costing 900 marks and 34k dilthium, it sure is bad.

It is the best alternative to an elite shield if you are using assimilated deflector and engine in pug pvp (premade I have no idea).
At high shield power (which is easy to achieve) multi-regenerative proc makes you almost immune to damage and clears hazard debuffs (counting borg shield neutralizer). And a second tractor beam is always nice.

I would use it over my elite resilient shield if snb doffs didn't exist.

rvlion79

Char 1: Fleet Negh'var - Borg Shield/Engine/Deflector.
Char 2: Negh'var - Jem Hadar mk 12 set.
Both Characters are KDF Eng with same traits and Boff layout. Only difference is the ship and S.E.D. set.

Char 2 dies regularly, while char 1 dies rarely.
Might not be the best according to some, but in combination with various hull and shield heals your ship will make even a casual player tank a tac.cube with ease.