Big difference between starting a fleetbase over, and a Rep system....also Why doesn't starfleet just give me the MACO stuff as a Starfleet captain I should just get it :rolleyes:
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STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
That is a very good question that you ask well to be honest the idea of having to do that again for a romulan character is not appealing at all for a number of reasons.
First off I have just completed tier 5 omega rep and now just about half way through tier 4 of the romulan rep so having to grind those again for a romulan character or my other Fed or KDF characters is very unappealing.
I think most people would agree that the rep system is rather expensive considering how much you spend on commodities and not to mention the stupid amount of time it takes to complete the projects for each tier which is 20hours incredibly boring .
Yes I know how can it be boring since I don't need to be ingame right? Well its boring when you just want to focus on grinding the currencies for those current rep systems.
The time element does nothing for me at all except just make me think why on earth does it exist in the first place? A more reasonable amount of time I would say is 15 to 30mins max.
So in context of doing it for a romulan character no I do not want to do that at all I would rather just focus on getting the romulan marks or omega marks I need for the gear since that part is much more fun.
The fact that currently I would have to grind the rep system for my other characters is erroneous mainly because of the stupid time constraint and the amount of resources needed.
I can't state enough how much I really don't want to do that I would happily pay some zen for a special privilege token? that would mean that the rep system is unlocked at maxed tier for all my characters with no further expenditure of resources which means that you can just concentrate on grinding the almost dizzing number of currencies that you need for the various types of gear.
A more middle ground would be that as long as you have done it once on a character who is a member of that faction then you don't ever need to do it again for the rest, so if your romulan character chose Fed then they don't have to grind that rep system.
Either way am not doing it again under the current system I have better things do ingame and with my time in general than waste resources like Ecs that would be better spent on weapons or one of the lockbox ships :P.
seeing ive only got to T3 romulan rep on one toon will not be to bad doing it again on my new main romulan just wish I had waited to by fleet gear for my romulan toon
I'm not sure how i feel about this. on one side of the coin we practiclly get a whole new game with a new experience to enjoy with all new technology, adventure zone and graphical updates.
but at the end of the day you'll have to work up all your rep all over again which took weeks maybe months to do depending on how often you play.
not sure how i feel about the second part.
thoughts?
I hate the idea of rep grinding and I am not looking forward to it. Questioning if I really want to make a rom toon just because of it.
I won't mind doing this, it will be the first character I bother to get t5 Romulan rep on.
My main got to t4 for the passive and to try the hyper torpedo, the torp was ok but the passives were mediocre so all of my alts stopped at t2 rep. I am going to go all out with the Romulan gear and sets for my Romulan so will hurry to t5 this time though.
I have to disagree with you here. I can do Elite STFs with my free Patrol Escort using 2800 FE gear just as easily as I can do it in my Fleet Defiant using full Omega Rep gear. Heck I've watched videos of ships soloing Infected Elite. If 1 ship can solo it the 5 ships without Omega Rep gear can too.
its not a matter of can or cannot, anyone with half a brain can, the problem is you WILL get one shotted probably more than a few times and thats extremely annoying, especially if you're pugging and doing consistently doing more damage than anyone and thus getting all the aggro.
saying that you don't need at least omega t4 shield buff to make the STFs a bit less annoying is a joke, considering cryptic buffed the borg to compensate for it.
I find the rep system to be really simple, at least the Omega and Romulan reps are very simple anyway, just get some marks and click some buttons, I would be embarrassed to complain about it. Getting dilithium to buy stuff with the rep EXP is the real grind, since it takes more than a few minutes to reach your daily cap. I can fix that problem with $10 worth of zen if needed, there is my monthly subscription.
I dont know what will be needed to get Nukara rep so I cant can't really comment on that.
I do find it kind of silly that Romulans have to rep. They ought to get double EXP or something.
its not a matter of can or cannot, anyone with half a brain can, the problem is you WILL get one shotted probably more than a few times and thats extremely annoying, especially if you're pugging and doing consistently doing more damage than anyone and thus getting all the aggro.
saying that you don't need at least omega t4 shield buff to make the STFs a bit less annoying is a joke, considering cryptic buffed the borg to compensate for it.
I'm saying that since death has no real penalty getting one-shot by a Borg isn't that huge of deal - and people still get one-shot by them even with the Omega Rep gear. You see threads about it on the forum from die-hard STFers quite frequently.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm saying that since death has no real penalty getting one-shot by a Borg isn't that huge of deal - and people still get one-shot by them even with the Omega Rep gear. You see threads about it on the forum from die-hard STFers quite frequently.
but its annoying, especially with the respawn timer that gets increased each death due to gozer.
also i don't know about others, but i personally at least, have far less problems with the gozertorp with the omega t4 buff since its easier to keep shields at a reasonable percentage so they can take most of the damage from the torp, compared with characters i don't have the t4 buff even with STF gear, so my point still stands, its less annoying overall.
I'm kind of halfway interested to do Omega again but end up with a totally different set than last time. Maybe.
Romulan I'll grind for passives but probably not get any gear. *Maybe* if the flamethrower ever gets fixed.
romulan set is pretty good for STFs with the hyperflux against tac cubes/gates(i'm talking about the weapons/console, not the shield/deflector/engine set).
I really don't like the Tholian rep since the rewarded Marks is the worst of all the Reputations and I have no interest in doing Romulan, Omega, AND Tholian Reputation with the new Romulan characters. It's just too much grinding.
Now if they made Reputation an account system and you having to do it on 1 character per faction, and the other characters in that faction wouldn't have to do it, then it wouldn't be such a pain.
i think its pretty clear at least in this thread that the majority of players DO NOT want to do the rep grind over again and we would gladly pay to have some sort of accelerated rep system in place.
i think as far as checks and balances go. perhaps as long as another character has achieved a certain level of rep that the accelerated gains can be capped to that point. it would make total sense to have it that way.
also for the new adventure zone and the new tholian rep gains those can be untouched and we will have to gain normally for any gear that may come out of that.
also there was a post about why do you want to grind out that gear. it simple at least in my case. i grind the gear because its something to shoot for. its a goal to achieve. sure i may not NEED it but i WANT it. and if you're going to play an MMO after you reached max level you should have SOME TYPE of goal in mind so that you don't get bored twiddling your thumbs wondering what you should do.
It is going to be annoying having to grind up all that stuff all over again just to get my ship and character up to snuff with the stuff they need at top level. I do not agree with this stupid arbitrary "No you need to wait months to finish your setup" attitude.
Omega, not a problem since it gets run a lot with fleeties anyways. Rom marks, meh a little epohh tagging isn't that time consuming, and Roms get a transwarp to New Romulus anyways so theres not even the flight time involved. Nukara however, I don't know if I'm going to touch at all, as it looks to be a lot more work for less-powerful abilities and no gear that particularly interests me.
Looking forward to rep grinds on my Romulan(s)? I've still got two Fed alts and four KDF alts to go through. ;_;
I'll still do it for the abilities and some specific equipment. But no way in hell am I bothering with more Mk XII gear, especially when Mk XI of any rarity will get you through all game content just fine.
I've ran one character to full Omega/Rom, and another partway there. I don't mind doing full rep plus Tholian rep on my soon to be Romulan. So it doesn't bother me.
Would I like a boost? Of course! However I'm not gonna complain.
I've got one character to T5 on both Omega and Romulan. And I'll certainly be doing the same with my Romulan when she reaches level 50. However, Nukara, not so much. Don't know if I'll bother, with how few Nukara marks you get.
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First off Nukara marks should be awarded from anything involving Tholians which should includes sector dailies, the vault and pretty much most of the Romulan content as they seem to be the new defacto enemy.
As for the OP, not looking forward to it to be honest. Hit t5 on omega and rom rep for 2 characters nearly 3 but its just so time consuming even if you have a massive amount of marks and items for completing it quickly. It's the arbitrary 20 hour wait for completing I'm not a fan off as its there to encourage you to log in every day.
i don't mind the rep grind itself so much...
the thing i hate is the completely obsolete artificial WAIT between pressing the button to turn stuff in.
oh and on top of it new Nukara Rep to do on my 10 chars + the new rom chars... ugh why?
if it was at least attached to new PvE queue content.... but no it is all old repurposed content that i didn't care about the first time around.
when the Borg and Rom rep systems hit i was all over it because it was the only real *thing* to do at that time. now with new shiny actual real story content i honestly do not care about that Nukara rep stuff at all.
worst of it: those new romulan chars will have to go through the borg rep to get the borg engine to get around sector space properly.
Probably won't be bothered. If I create a toon, it will be for the story, no need for reputation grind for that. I won't even PvP or do stf on that romulan/reman. I have 5 characters already, and 4 of them are kind of sitting duck.
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I also have no intrest in PVE, PVP or any more grind in STO, i will be back for the story then once completed go elsewhere again.
I'm not sure how i feel about this. on one side of the coin we practiclly get a whole new game with a new experience to enjoy with all new technology, adventure zone and graphical updates.
but at the end of the day you'll have to work up all your rep all over again which took weeks maybe months to do depending on how often you play.
not sure how i feel about the second part.
thoughts?
Romulan Characters should start with at least T3 of the Romulan Rep completed since we helped the Republic in a major way.
I've got no problem having to grind out the rest of the Reps all over again.
I would love it if we had an account based rep system.
I wouldn't go so far to say that any unlock benefits every character. The passives for example should stay character based.
But Reputation store unlocks should be account wide and and reaching a new tier on one character could maybe reduce the project costs for every other character who is not that far yet.
For example: completion of a Reputation tier reduces the cost for lower tier reputation projects on any other character by 5%.
So let's say you complete the Romulan reputation on 3 characters and start a 4th you'd had a discount of 75% on every rep project to level up this reputation.
mabe complettion times could be reduced as well.
Right now I am very busy completing Romulan reputation on one of my characters to unlock the Reman. It is going to happen, 4400 points to go. I already have it on a character on another account and here is the thing. The passives are nice but the tier 5 bonus skill has a 10 minute cooldown. When will I use that?
Further I have the Romulan torpedo. It is impressive, but the balls are going so slow that most targets are destroyed before they get there.
I am also doing STF's for Omega reputation and for learning I do the normal ones. Yesterday I got by accident in an elite STF (infected). Now I might be carried, but I know the mission, I know the drill, so we completed it incuding the optionals. So I am wondering, why am I doing it. As long as it is new content it is fine, but to do it again and again?
i just wish they would increase the rom mark reward to match STFs.
you do one STF you get 70 to 115 omega marks.
you do one rom mission you get 10 to 20.
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Right now I am very busy completing Romulan reputation on one of my characters to unlock the Reman. It is going to happen, 4400 points to go. I already have it on a character on another account and here is the thing. The passives are nice but the tier 5 bonus skill has a 10 minute cooldown. When will I use that?
Further I have the Romulan torpedo. It is impressive, but the balls are going so slow that most targets are destroyed before they get there.
I am also doing STF's for Omega reputation and for learning I do the normal ones. Yesterday I got by accident in an elite STF (infected). Now I might be carried, but I know the mission, I know the drill, so we completed it incuding the optionals. So I am wondering, why am I doing it. As long as it is new content it is fine, but to do it again and again?
The Reputation T5 clickable powers will start to really shine once there are more than 2. We'll get a third soon and give it 2 more reputation lines and you will have 2-3 of those extra powers depending on ground or space to help you out in tight situations nstead of just 1.
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First off I have just completed tier 5 omega rep and now just about half way through tier 4 of the romulan rep so having to grind those again for a romulan character or my other Fed or KDF characters is very unappealing.
I think most people would agree that the rep system is rather expensive considering how much you spend on commodities and not to mention the stupid amount of time it takes to complete the projects for each tier which is 20hours incredibly boring
Yes I know how can it be boring since I don't need to be ingame right? Well its boring when you just want to focus on grinding the currencies for those current rep systems.
The time element does nothing for me at all except just make me think why on earth does it exist in the first place? A more reasonable amount of time I would say is 15 to 30mins max.
So in context of doing it for a romulan character no I do not want to do that at all I would rather just focus on getting the romulan marks or omega marks I need for the gear since that part is much more fun.
The fact that currently I would have to grind the rep system for my other characters is erroneous mainly because of the stupid time constraint and the amount of resources needed.
I can't state enough how much I really don't want to do that I would happily pay some zen for a special privilege token? that would mean that the rep system is unlocked at maxed tier for all my characters with no further expenditure of resources which means that you can just concentrate on grinding the almost dizzing number of currencies that you need for the various types of gear.
A more middle ground would be that as long as you have done it once on a character who is a member of that faction then you don't ever need to do it again for the rest, so if your romulan character chose Fed then they don't have to grind that rep system.
Either way am not doing it again under the current system I have better things do ingame and with my time in general than waste resources like Ecs that would be better spent on weapons or one of the lockbox ships :P.
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I hate the idea of rep grinding and I am not looking forward to it. Questioning if I really want to make a rom toon just because of it.
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My main got to t4 for the passive and to try the hyper torpedo, the torp was ok but the passives were mediocre so all of my alts stopped at t2 rep. I am going to go all out with the Romulan gear and sets for my Romulan so will hurry to t5 this time though.
its not a matter of can or cannot, anyone with half a brain can, the problem is you WILL get one shotted probably more than a few times and thats extremely annoying, especially if you're pugging and doing consistently doing more damage than anyone and thus getting all the aggro.
saying that you don't need at least omega t4 shield buff to make the STFs a bit less annoying is a joke, considering cryptic buffed the borg to compensate for it.
I dont know what will be needed to get Nukara rep so I cant can't really comment on that.
I do find it kind of silly that Romulans have to rep. They ought to get double EXP or something.
I'm kind of halfway interested to do Omega again but end up with a totally different set than last time. Maybe.
Romulan I'll grind for passives but probably not get any gear. *Maybe* if the flamethrower ever gets fixed.
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but its annoying, especially with the respawn timer that gets increased each death due to gozer.
also i don't know about others, but i personally at least, have far less problems with the gozertorp with the omega t4 buff since its easier to keep shields at a reasonable percentage so they can take most of the damage from the torp, compared with characters i don't have the t4 buff even with STF gear, so my point still stands, its less annoying overall.
romulan set is pretty good for STFs with the hyperflux against tac cubes/gates(i'm talking about the weapons/console, not the shield/deflector/engine set).
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Now if they made Reputation an account system and you having to do it on 1 character per faction, and the other characters in that faction wouldn't have to do it, then it wouldn't be such a pain.
i think as far as checks and balances go. perhaps as long as another character has achieved a certain level of rep that the accelerated gains can be capped to that point. it would make total sense to have it that way.
also for the new adventure zone and the new tholian rep gains those can be untouched and we will have to gain normally for any gear that may come out of that.
also there was a post about why do you want to grind out that gear. it simple at least in my case. i grind the gear because its something to shoot for. its a goal to achieve. sure i may not NEED it but i WANT it. and if you're going to play an MMO after you reached max level you should have SOME TYPE of goal in mind so that you don't get bored twiddling your thumbs wondering what you should do.
I'll still do it for the abilities and some specific equipment. But no way in hell am I bothering with more Mk XII gear, especially when Mk XI of any rarity will get you through all game content just fine.
Would I like a boost? Of course! However I'm not gonna complain.
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As for the OP, not looking forward to it to be honest. Hit t5 on omega and rom rep for 2 characters nearly 3 but its just so time consuming even if you have a massive amount of marks and items for completing it quickly. It's the arbitrary 20 hour wait for completing I'm not a fan off as its there to encourage you to log in every day.
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the thing i hate is the completely obsolete artificial WAIT between pressing the button to turn stuff in.
oh and on top of it new Nukara Rep to do on my 10 chars + the new rom chars... ugh why?
if it was at least attached to new PvE queue content.... but no it is all old repurposed content that i didn't care about the first time around.
when the Borg and Rom rep systems hit i was all over it because it was the only real *thing* to do at that time. now with new shiny actual real story content i honestly do not care about that Nukara rep stuff at all.
worst of it: those new romulan chars will have to go through the borg rep to get the borg engine to get around sector space properly.
BINGO!!
I also have no intrest in PVE, PVP or any more grind in STO, i will be back for the story then once completed go elsewhere again.
Romulan Characters should start with at least T3 of the Romulan Rep completed since we helped the Republic in a major way.
I've got no problem having to grind out the rest of the Reps all over again.
I still haven't gotten lvl 5 to be honest. Even the early Rep buffs are pretty good.
I wouldn't go so far to say that any unlock benefits every character. The passives for example should stay character based.
But Reputation store unlocks should be account wide and and reaching a new tier on one character could maybe reduce the project costs for every other character who is not that far yet.
For example: completion of a Reputation tier reduces the cost for lower tier reputation projects on any other character by 5%.
So let's say you complete the Romulan reputation on 3 characters and start a 4th you'd had a discount of 75% on every rep project to level up this reputation.
mabe complettion times could be reduced as well.
Would make the system extremely alt friendly.
Further I have the Romulan torpedo. It is impressive, but the balls are going so slow that most targets are destroyed before they get there.
I am also doing STF's for Omega reputation and for learning I do the normal ones. Yesterday I got by accident in an elite STF (infected). Now I might be carried, but I know the mission, I know the drill, so we completed it incuding the optionals. So I am wondering, why am I doing it. As long as it is new content it is fine, but to do it again and again?
you do one STF you get 70 to 115 omega marks.
you do one rom mission you get 10 to 20.
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The Reputation T5 clickable powers will start to really shine once there are more than 2. We'll get a third soon and give it 2 more reputation lines and you will have 2-3 of those extra powers depending on ground or space to help you out in tight situations nstead of just 1.