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torgaddon101
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So when is the defiant going to get it?
the treaty with the romulans is broken now so why can't the feds have them..?
and what could the romulans do if the feds started using cloaks.. their empire is not in a position to wage war against the federation.!
it's getting tiresome in PvP with klinks just hiding and stalking.
and please don't use the allied rom thing.. why can't I use a cloak on my Vesta/Oddy etc.
the treaty with the romulans is broken now so why can't the feds have them..?
and what could the romulans do if the feds started using cloaks.. their empire is not in a position to wage war against the federation.!
it's getting tiresome in PvP with klinks just hiding and stalking.
and please don't use the allied rom thing.. why can't I use a cloak on my Vesta/Oddy etc.
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So if there is nothing to stop Starfleet using cloaks on their ships, why shouldn't the Dominion ships get them? Or any other ship for that matter?
Ding ding ding ding!
Federation ships don't effing use cloaks. Even if it weren't 'banned', they wouldn't use them because cloaks don't fit with the Federation's outlook on things. They prance around unexplored space with their arms wide open, they don't skulk with cloaks.
So, despite what you said in your OP. . .if you want a battlecloak, use a Fed-Rom. Or, gasp get a KDF character and use a BoP.
The Fleet Defiant is already ridiculous enough with the cloak console, enabling you to have a decloak-attacking escort with 5 tac consoles (something the KDF doesn't have, btw).
Similarly, the lack of universal cloak console can only be put down to game mechanics. From a storyline point of view, even if the Federation was sticking to the treaty, the Klingons and Romulans are under no such obligations and would surely have freely-installable cloaking devices.
Simply put, someone in charge does not want all ships to be able to cloak, so cloaks are restricted to designated ships.
phased cloaks... feds developed them.
as to getting a klink toon i have 3 so know well..
I'm just being devils advocate here... so chill pills all.
1v1 with my vesta with that tachyon console stops any sneaky cloaked ship pouncing on me, and then I blast it to bits, but in C&H and 5 v 1 not good.
so why can't i have a battle cloak on my vesta or MVA?
that's all I'm asking.
Treaties are not relevant for the presence or absence of a battlecloak.
The only thing relevant here is called game mechanics.
The Defiant is an escort.
Escorts are the counterparts to Raptors, which don't have a bettlecloak either.
Same is true for Klingon battlecruisers even though.
And yes, we've seen battlecruisers cloak in combat on more than one occasion so it's not about "canon this" or "canon that".
The battlecloak on the Bird of Prey is a special characteristic just like it's a special characteristic on the Romulan ships.
The only reason Cryptic has allowed a cloak on the Defiant and the Galaxy-X is because thos ships had one in unique instances in the show.
Unique meaning we've seen one of each equipped with one and this is a nod to that fact.
Same is true for the B'rel and its enhanced cloak, otherwise all Klingon ships would be equipped with one.
In addition, there's actually a presidential executive order that bans cloaks. (I am not kidding, read "The Path to 2409")
The Federation President chose to remain honoring the treaty even after Romulus was destroyed.
to give up a tactical advantage to enemies hell bent on destroying you is madness..!
do the klinks in arena/C&H show mercy..?
Hell no... 'kill em all' is their way of thinking.
why is everyone who has posted so anti fed cloaking in battle?
But you're forgetting a lot of Federation players will sit at the KDF spawn point and spawn kill. So in the same token the Federation are as bad as KDF in that regard. Plus Klingons have always used swarm tactics even in the show they are raiders and generally don't have as powerful ships one on one but have larger numbers to make up for this disadvantage. Similar to Jem'Hadar Bugs, they just aren't as suicidal. lol
That I think would be an acceptable compromise. At least on the C-store versions which the console comes from. Maybe if the KDF gets a 5 tac console raptor with the correct pivot point on the 3d model then the Fleet Defiant could get a built in cloak so both factions have a good cloaking escort.
Is he/she just another fed poser trying to rig his crying to his favor, possibly.
If he was even a little KDF, he would already know why the Defiant doesnt have a battle cloak from all the other TRIBBLE and moan fed threads about cloaking we've seen up to this point.
Why are we so against the feds cloaking?
1) because even the IP is against fed cloaking and has been since its inception.
2) Tired of fed babies constantly wanting everyone elses TOYS and identifying properties plus thier own just because they are the preciuos feddies.
Sad sad sad, the self important needyness of the feds at times.
R.I.P
I could agree on that because its reasonable and doesnt break the IP rep of the feds but I would expect any handicaps for all cloaking ships ingame to be addressed respectively because of it.
R.I.P
ah I don't fight KDF...
Would you like to test that.?
When pigs can fly and horses can cloak.
then ask who is sneaky...
why are the feds against the klingons:
1 because they keep crying that they deserve a cloack,and that the feds dont.
2that the only thing klingons can do, is hiding with there cloack, going 4 vs 1, and when they are finally down,they cloack and wait to restore there hull
3 you guys keep whining like a little child that you guys want a 5 tac console ship, or a 5 forward weapon slot ship,while that is the fed side toys,you lalready have build in cloack on almost every ship, so who wants who shineys and toys?
so, its basicly this:
you guys have almost on every ship cloack, we have 2 ships that needs a slot to put it in.
when the feddie's want a single thing then the klingons are first to decide if its overpowered,or that we feds even can get it,
and when the mighty whining empire demands a 5 tac slot,or a 5 forward weapon slot ship, we feds cant have a single comment on it, or the kdf cry babies commit honorble suicide.
the kdf players base, is for most part, the most pathetic,whining cry babies i have ever meet, grats on that, and i dont want a whining comment from you, and beside's that, if you put a little whining comment on it, go ahead, you only apply to the above points more.
Because the bug has superior bridge officer layout and a superior turn rate perhaps?
Seems like a good trade off to me.
Both good points, but I was nitpicking at the OP and not actually arguing for battle cloaks on the Dominion ships, it's not like they need them.
My perspective was that if Starfleet had nothing to stop them from using battle cloaks on some of their ships, why can't other ships in STO have them. As I say, I was nitpicking and not actually arguing for other ships to get battle cloak.
Thanks for not disappointing...
in C&H and lets see how the klinks respond..
remember the stalker fighter is a stealth fighter.. use mask emitters and stealth consoles..
you can capture because you are not cloaked.. :eek:
they have to be uncloaked to defend to points.
do I need to say any more..
Mem GAMMA...as in random fanfiction stuff from the internet.
This article in particular is from one guy's own private universe.
http://memory-gamma.wikia.com/wiki/Pikapi%27s_expanded_universe
everyone can do that...what is the point of this?
Seriously, why would a cloak not function if someone is shooting at you. Is it smart to cloak when being fired upon? No and many Klingons chased by Quantum Torpedo High Yield and nuked while under cloak will agree.
Still there is no reason why the cloak itself should not function under fire.
Let the Klingons and Romulans keep a monopoly on advanced/enhanced battle cloak, but give us (Federation players) the option to be blown up while cloaked.
Allow us the stupidity to cloak under fire!!
2... The last time I was actually flying in Ker'rat it was 4 FED's taking an awfull long time pounding me to death in my poor Fleet Negh'Var. They succeeded of course... Time and time again, but that is not the point.... That is 4:1 back in your face.
3... I agree Fed cloak should have been build in as well, whine to the devs about that... Don't go anti-KDF for something we cannot do anything about. Plus the fact remains that I remember a time when there was only 1 Carrier with 2 hanger bays and 1 with 1 hangar ingame... After extremely long and lenghty whines from Feds now both sides have multiple different Carriers... So Who Wants Who Shineys And Toys back in your face again. Search the forum, you will find many topics about feds complaining this is OP about almost everything that belongs to KDF. :rolleyes: The Fed Cry Babies didn't allow for KDF to remain the only faction with Carriers, while these same Fed Cry Babies had and still have a lot more ships to choose from.
You do know that this remark is a personal assault against KDF players... That is a very weak way to make a statement, but then again what can one expect from someone who starts every word with a capital letter.
no cloak but evil.
klinks hate em because they can't find them.
hit the link and post Klink for a 1v1 you sound so confident, will be interesting too see