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Klingon vs Romulan ships
certox
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We all know klingon ships are superior to the Federation counter parts. But how will our ships compare to Romulan counter part's?
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There are some that certainly are, like the Marauder vs the Star Cruiser where the Marauder is identical except it has a better shield and impulse mod and fighters on top of that.
There are Fed ships that are better than their Klingon counterparts like the Fed escorts compared to the Raptors.
With the Romulan and Klingon ships it's a bit tricky because of the Singularity power as well as the reduced power supply.
From some of my tests at lower levels, it seems you can menatally substract some of the firepower from the Klingon versions after they've diverted some of the bonus power from the weapons to the engines to counter the reduced power levels there.
The Romulan ship will tank worse due to the reduced shield power as well.
And while the battlecloak is nice in theory, well the bigger ships can't run away effectively and the smaller ones have nice shields but their hull leaves something to be desired meaning they're vulnerable when they cloak.
I don't think they're better or worse but geniunely different.
It's probably a big advantage when you've grown accustomed to flying a BoP unlike some of the Fed-only players who've never used a battlecloak before and think it's the ultimate win system.
Compare the T'Varo Retrofit with the B'Rel Retrofit for instance... It's pretty much the same ship, but the T'Varo is plainly superior, coming up short in only the turn rate comparison as well as the base power issue (but who needs power to spew torps from battlecloak anyway?).
I would think that Battle cloak on a cruiser type ship might be a bit nastier since it would let the big ship possibly escape from an escort in order to get it back into a better firing arc.
Yes they do, but they also come with a lower base power level which means they turn slower than an equivalent Klingon ship and also end up somewhat slower.
I compared the T3 Mogai and the T3 Kamaragh on the same character with the same equipment and the Mogai was actually outrun by the Kamaragh on balanced power settings.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=9401081&postcount=5
So a cruiser with a turnrate of 5.5 and a lower base power level is unlikely to "run" anywhere.:)
The main reason KDF BoPs manage to really do well with hit-and-run tactics is because they're nimble, and BoP pilots have to run heavy on 'get-away' stuff. High engine power (sacrificing shields or aux), Impulse Capacitance Cell, doff-boosted Evasive Maneuvers, and maybe even EPtE. They have to haul TRIBBLE and be prepared to scarper off at a moment's notice because attack-focused BoPs can't tank well. The flexibility provided by universal boffslots makes this job a lot easier, because you can switch your abilities around a fair bit.
Wow...must be living in the mirror universe with a claim like that. Most KDF ships are inferior to Fed except a handful...mostly Battle Cruisers are superior to Cruisers but that's about it.
While I'm guessing Battlecloaks permeate the Romulan lineup, these cloaks are kind of a waste on Cruisers. Why?
To best *safely* use a Battlecloak, you need to get away out of weapons distance (>10k) and ensure no torpedoes are already tracking you. Then, and only then, apply Battlecloaks. A BOP-ish type of ship can do this, because they're fast. An Escort with BC can do this because they can get away quickly if the player knows what they're doing.
But in a slow ship resembling anything like a Cruiser, they will have very definite issues escaping from targets, mostly in PVP. Even now, Cruisers have a terrible time shedding attackers if they're trying to escape. For an inexperienced cloak user that wants to shed its attackers while under fire, and just WANTS to get away after Evasive Action and such does a poor job on shedding its pursuers, the big temptation is to pop that "Cloak" button... Shields drop, hull exposed before cloak takes effect, boom, respawn.
P.S. - You guys that frequent Kerrat will see some hilarity when people start levelling their Romulan toons and try to farm there. They will think Battlecloaks are the "I Win Button" and "Get Out Of Jail For Free Card" so many farmers believe it to be. But that Battecloak will get them killed faster than you can say, "Wha-?" if you don't know what you're doing.
Prepare for hilarity at Kerrat. Then prepare to see the whining for how Cloaks aren't any better. Specifically for the Fed-Romulan players.
Mark my words on this.
Once the act of team support healing is realized and those whom play romulan healers learn to time it with thier own and others Bcloaking it could lead to into interesting combat.
We KDF certainly need to be prepared to learn quickly as we now have two somewhat sneaky foes to battle.
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Well I do think BoPs stand alone as a Klingon vessel of near perfection. You speak the truth, our Battle Cruisers are better designed for combat though we do have other very nice ships like the Guramba and such as well.
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Well yeah but science and escorts (raptors) pale in comparison to what feds have to offer. KDF does have some nice heavy carriers but the Feds have very nice light carriers.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing people complain about how the vaunted battlecloak isn't the awesome I-win button they seem to think it is.
If I had just one more boffstation, an ensign one, I would use it for Polarize Hull 1. That alone can be a lifesaver in hectic PvP, when there's torpedoes following you out of the battlezone.
Truer words have never been spoken.
We'll have plenty of ways to detect cloaked Romulans and most of what we'll be doing was taught to us by the Feds.
The KDF will have the Acton Assimilator that will drain power from cloaked vessels within range.
Another good tool will be to use Auxiliary Battery's while cloaked so we'll have better stealth detection.
We can also use Tractor Beam Repulseors has they do hit cloaked vessels in range.
KDF, Romulan and Federation Science Captains are going to have a field day in PVP now (not so much Fed)
My KFD Science Main always runs max Auxiliary so I see cloaked vessels from pretty far out so I'll be able to get my Gravity Well 3 off on Rommie Balls if they become a fad in PVP.
I think Romulan players will be able to make good use of Jam Sensors 1 to work in tandem with their battle cloaks.
Target Subsystems Auxiliary will be good for lowering Stealth ratings and tagging a Battle Cloaking Romulan with it will make it much easier to track their movements.
Our B'rel Retro Fit Torpedo Boats are going to own most Romulan Vessels.
The Retro B'rel can run Max Aux and have high Engines with only base power to shields and weapons (if Torpedo Boat) and will be able to Ghost Ride most other cloaked ships that are not out fitted for max stealth and Stealth detection and nail them @ point blank range.
If anything the KDF are better suited to square off against the Romulans than the Federation will ever be.
If you're into PVP Business is about to pick up
LOL :
kdf already has aceton assimilator, and if the ship is cloaked and, say, more than 2km-3km (who would ram the aceton btw ? u think everyones stupid except you -_-) aceton cant "sensor lock on" to the cloaked ship unless its stealth detection is higher than the ships stealth and even considering it could, who would aproach to the aceton that close ? again u think everyones dumb... :P
auxiliary battey ? LOL ... in non-science ships auxiliary at 125 only improves stealth detection by 50, and in science ships, 150... that is a improve of ur stealth detection by less than 1km -_- also human boffs are gonna be nerfed, romulan boffs ftw now, subterfuge gives +200 stealth each boff... 5x200 is 1000 stealth, u think u can detect that with a battery ? good luck...
yes TBR can "locate" cloaked ships ... -_- normaly experienced players can evade to that stupid cloak locating trick ... dont expect to locate everyone with that skill... :cool:
jam sensors 1 maxed out and with the sensor doff can deal 35k damage before breaking jam... theres a skill called science team and u think activating jam, deal 35k only, cloak again, wait 1 minute (cooldown - lol who would use 2 jam sensors ? noobs that dont know how to counter this and think it is op) and do those 35k again ? cant kill anything :P :eek:
yeah using target aux on a cloaked ship... idk u could target a cloaked ship unless it is very close, even if it is and ur stealth detection alows you to see it... only disabling aux subsystem would make a diference, aux power barely improves ur cloak, u should know that :P
thinking that the brel and the tvaro are the best torpedo boats, ur mistaken, ships with bc are. also, ghost ride ? xDDD ... u dont need max stealth to have a good cloak... and brel sucks compared to romulan ships when it comes to torpedo boats, since the drop of energy in their subsystems are less ( max engines, and when aux based skills are needed, change power (with eps lol, even torp boats need eps at 6 points at least )or use battery )
finally :
"if ur into pvp business it about to pick up" forgive me but what ive read from ur post, u dont pick a :eek:
That's me !
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Interesting,
It seems that you don't understand what I was trying to say with my post.
The post that I responded to was saying that we need to figure out ways to deal with sneaky players and I saw that has how do we deal with ships that can use the Battle Cloak.
I would not be dropping and Aceton Assimilator early for drain or detection but rather while in Combat.
Has long has I can get the Aceton Assimilator 4k from the target it will drain power from them even if they Battle Cloak on me and unless it has been changed once it starts draining a target it keeps draining a target and is unaffected by range so you can follow its trail and know where the cloaked vessel is.
I never said that using Auxiliary Battery?s would make us the end all be all in stealth detection; I said that they will help with stealth detection at which they will.
TBR is another tool that I'd use when dealing with a vessel that has battle cloaked on me while in combat and not something I'd use to try to find them outside of combat.
My Reference to jam sensors 1 was for players who want to use the Battle Cloak and lower the risk of getting nailed while their shields are down in mid cloak and to mask the direction that you took your vessel in while battle cloaking.
Sure a player can use Science Team to clear the Jam but in the sense that I was stating that the Jam should be used it would not matter much since you'd only be using it to mask your escape.
Target Aux was once again something that could be used on a vessel that is attempting to battle cloak while in combat with you and lowering their aux power will help you in detecting which direction they are trying to move away from you in.
I stand by what I said about the Brel Retro fit but I'll explain my mindset behind it.
I've seen Brel pilots get about 3k from an enemy targets in pvp and just follow them around to test their stealth rating and to see if they can be detected or not and I dubbed that Ghost Riding.
If you check the KDF ship yard section you'll find plenty of YouTube links that show how deadly the Brel Torp Boats are and how they take out most targets in one pass.
Has a Science Captain in my Vo'Quv I can see cloaked targets from about 5k out
My quote about business picking up for PVP is just that and I guess I'll have to spell that out for you has well.
Now that every Fed player is going to be able to jump into their Green Skinned Battle Cloak having alt and since most of them seem to think that the Battle Cloak is the I win Button, there will be plenty of them running around in PVP and if they've never played a KDF Character the learning curb on the Battle Cloak is going to be pretty steep.
Business will pick up in PVP until players figure out that the Battle Cloak is not an I win button.
I guess everything is open to interpretation and I'll have to be a bit more clear with the things I say.
Your post was good.. his was.. annoying to read.
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
Nevermind Ker'rat and PvP, I can't wait to laugh my butt off in Elite STF's as the Fed-Rom players start to learn that cloaking draws aggro.
That said, the Romulan's B'Rel, the T'Varo, is the "cheap" pack option and it seems like lots of people have got it, so I expect we'll have a torp boat heavy environment for a month or two.
Stock up on the armor, warriors...
seems like it would be both a decent pull from constant pounding and relief from spam, and allow for a relatively trouble free cloak. semi tested in the worst situation i could find by going into an encounter with tholians and dragging abunch together and popping singularity jump, on average i took about 10 to 15% hull damage but was successful.
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?