I am never listening to this podcast again because of this Arrogant person. How dare he jump all over gecko's back on the Alien gen thing for 30 min. He sent him a 3 page e-mail, over a 2 hour tweet barrage, 2 podcast attacks on the issue?? WTF - Gecko you are a hero for putting up with this person - out and out attacking you and telling you that you were wrong for that lenght of time. I would have walked out on this TRIBBLE - you were calm and put up with it.
Gecko I would completely back you if you refused to ever go back to these people without an official apology for his behavior!@!!
(If anyone wants to listen - his attack on Al Rivera begins at 30 min into the interview)
^Exactly this!!
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Another point raised on the podcast -How the Romulan Republic getting the ships?
Why is it hard to understand why the Romulan Republic has access to the Naval ships of the Romulan Fleet?
On the canon side we have Romulan Fleet commanders willing to support a Human Clone and his slave Remans overthrowing the legitmate senate.
I think with Romulus gone-you would have situation where fleet and squadron commanders would look to flock to the various factions based on long standing loyalties- incentives of power etc. I can imagine Selas use of Hirogen and borg tech-might not sit well with Romulan commanders as well.
They may not fully support D'tans goals in the long run -but hes a far better alternative to Sela and the Tal Shiar. Throw in the other methods mentioned in game and its viable.
It was a good chat and I did learn alot.
One thing that helps to explain the Republic's access to the Naval ships of the Romulan Fleet is the 'storywise, missions are done at the level indicated' rule - your first ship is something you bring to the Republic, so no problems there, your second ship is old (the description says the Dhelan is another 23d century ship), so it's easy to suggest that the Republic's sympathizers have helped them get access to enough mothballs and scrap-fields to provide a Dhelan to what at that point is a trusted operative, and by the time you get to the comparatively new ships (the Mogai), the Republic is an established (if small) interstellar government with a planetary capital and assistance from the Klingon Empire and the Federation. Seems reasonable enough.
I will admit first I have only read the quick summary which got posted and that did concern me a little.
Trading BOFFs / training BOFFs
In this section it was hinted about training manuals to get skills for BoFFs. This to me sounds like a plan to introduce a dilithium charge into BOFF training as people will need to buy Quality books to create their manuals. Please I hope to be wrong on this one :eek:
We have been waiting 3 years for Romulans to come out and all this guy can think about is making stupid aliens. I hope he just stays Fed if thats what he wants. I am glad Alien won't be available for Romulans, alien hybrid will be subscriber only, and hope it stays that way so its rare.
I was really getting annoyed he wouldn't drop the subject and move on too. We should all be much be more vocal in making opposition to aliens being available for Romulans so it hopefully never happens. I don't want to see them looking like the Federation.
We have been waiting 3 years for Romulans to come out and all this guy can think about is making stupid aliens. I hope he just stays Fed if thats what he wants. I am glad Alien won't be available for Romulans, alien hybrid will be subscriber only, and hope it stays that way so its rare.
I was really getting annoyed he wouldn't drop the subject and move on too. We should all be much be more vocal in making opposition to aliens being available for Romulans so it hopefully never happens. I don't want to see them looking like the Federation.
Dont quote me on it but I think someone said awhile ago the rom aliens wouldn't have things the others have.
I imagen it'll be your average humanoid with the nose and forehead details.
We have been waiting 3 years for Romulans to come out and all this guy can think about is making stupid aliens. I hope he just stays Fed if thats what he wants. I am glad Alien won't be available for Romulans, alien hybrid will be subscriber only, and hope it stays that way so its rare.
I was really getting annoyed he wouldn't drop the subject and move on too. We should all be much be more vocal in making opposition to aliens being available for Romulans so it hopefully never happens. I don't want to see them looking like the Federation.
Meeee tooo!! I would prefer the faction be 70% Romulan, 29% Reman, 1% (or less) Alien.
That guy was so annoying!
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
We have been waiting 3 years for Romulans to come out and all this guy can think about is making stupid aliens. I hope he just stays Fed if thats what he wants. I am glad Alien won't be available for Romulans, alien hybrid will be subscriber only, and hope it stays that way so its rare.
I was really getting annoyed he wouldn't drop the subject and move on too. We should all be much be more vocal in making opposition to aliens being available for Romulans so it hopefully never happens. I don't want to see them looking like the Federation.
Agreed. The alien gen thing went on way too long.
I want to play Romulans so the alien creator is a non-issue for me.
And what was that "I've played longer than you" stuff at the start? That's no way to treat people.
I have to agree with what some people have already said here. This episode was a little hard to listen to. While Hav and I feel the same way about the aliengen I think his argument did come across a bit like a kid throwing a tantrum. Especially since he's already received an answer more than once about it and clearly they aren't changing it. Hav, I love you but let it go, we submitted our feedback, stated our cases and lost, move on.
I also felt that there was a bit of condescension from Bob towards not just Terry but Hav as well. The part where Terry got cut of mid sentence was rude. His jabs about how the other podcasters on the show didn't know how to do math, and how Hav doesn't know how to use his ships or play his character (or whatever it was) didn't come across as funny, it just came across as snobbish and elitist.
It also seemed like Al could barely get two words into a statement or answer before getting interrupted.
This is the first time i have listened to this podcast -so im not sure of the regulars dynamic -but did i hear right -the woman named terry was talking and than of the other regulars started saying something like "I have played longer etc etc" that we hear nothing from her for some time.
I found him a bit harsh with his statement-its just an observation and quite happy to be proven wrong.
Me too, I've never listened to the podcast and I was like: "wow are you kidding me? Get over yourself!" Even if they have that dynamic and it really was "all cool" they should keep this kind of stuff in mind. And for sure, no one was laughing.
And going on about Alien Gen for that long.... If you have to explain your position without interruption on anything for nearly 3 or 4 minutes, you shouldn't be discussing it on a podcast. By the time we got to the end of his doublespeak rant, I already forgot what he was talking about. I literally just took my headphones out for a minute or two and stopped listening. I actually thought to myself, I wonder if Geko is still listening or even connected?
Geko's smack down was wonderful and I think he could have been a lot more forceful with his smack down. Geko explained about how this guy has gone on and on in past interviews and in thread after thread about a part of the game that in the grand scheme is not that important. Honestly, I think it's taking advantage of the relationship that the podcasters have with the devs. If I was Geko I wouldn't do the show again for a while. You run the show to do interviews and disseminate information to the masses about the game... not repeatedly harass the devs about something that is not a major issue in the community, but a feature that you personally care about. Pointing out that you do or don't like something is ok, but dang...
My rebuttal to Alien Gen...
I don't really understand Hav's argument that he doesn't get the feel that the Rommies aren't Xenophobic from the story. They are, always have been, and unless hundreds of years go by with sweeping cultural changes... always will be. I've played to level 12, so haven't seen everything to be seen, but I don't see any evidence to refute that they are not xenophobic. Forming military alliances does not break Xenophobia.
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Hell I don't think KDF should have Alien, but Al made a good point about Klingons, but the Romulans, yeah it's a story for Romulans and Remans can fit in it as well, non pointed ears, won't make sense why they're there.
Hell I can see Vulcan being in it becasue there could have been Vulcan who were helping Spock later on, listend to his warning and got off Romulus before it got the smack down. Maybe felt liek outcasts for going with Spock so decided not to return to Vulcan, and joined the Romulan refugees to help out.Things go down with Hakvee, the Vulcan know about D'tan becasue he/she worked with Spock, so they would have more of a reason to help the republic.
But random Aliens would not really fit...But I can see limited halfbreed Romulan children being part of the story.
I certainly hope this is the last we hear from Hav on that subject. It is what it is, deal with it. If you're that mad about it, don't roll a Romulan, and don't buy any Romulan C-Store ships.
It was unnecessarily long winded and embarrassing sitting through the first 45 minutes.
Anyway this is the info I got out of it.
Thank you! I'm so glad you did that. I'm always looking for a transcript or some sort of summary from these podcasts, but I always end up having to try to learn what was said from the context of the discussion threads.
I appreciate the comments made on the episode, but part of the people complaining about the length are clearly not people use to Podcast UGC or similarly long podcasts (they exist), another part of complainers are upset about how hard I was on Al over Aliengen (when no, he didn't really answer any of my points of argument, he just hand waved them to say "they don't matter"), and I find that hilarious as well because they're probably the same people who yell at other podcasts for being "too soft" on developers over topics THEY care about.
There are some people here who are completely oblivious to the conversational and often argumentative tone of the show and clearly haven't even heard Terry and me go at it over Archer condemning a species to death, let alone anything related to politics or Star Trek Online. Most of what I'm getting here is a lot of noise: a David vs. Goliath syndrome where ironically, little ole me has gone up against big ole Cryptic on a topic I care about and somehow these listeners walk away from the discussion feeling like "I" was Goliath, while the other guy hand-waved "that logic doesn't matter" around for one conversation and then explained how logic and reasons were really important to limiting ships in the ally system on another. Come on, people.
The fact of the matter is, no one was hurt, we all got along, it's a long ... very conversational interview, I made some solid statements in, and yes ... there's a lot of people who disagree with me on aliengen. They're also people who haven't seen that you can conduct yourself in story mode as an Tal Shiar operative wearing a typical Romulan Republic uniform, or fly a Federation ship into missions where I'm actually UNDERCOVER as a Tal Shiar operative, or fly around with an I.R.W. prefix like you're Tal Shiar in any other non-Tal Shiar mission, or any number of roleplaying capabilities and canonicity that fly in the face of the specific "Romulan story" that is supposed to be so important that limiting the alien gen is even a thing.
So, my take on this? Noise. It's the same kind of noise Podcast UGC has always gotten when we post any sort of thread on the forums. People roll about, they complain about how we do things, and then they roll away because they didn't really care in the first place
I've heard complaints that Podcast UGC is a nothing but a soap box for the podcasters to push our agenda.
YES.
What? Do you pay me? Did you expect me to ask only questions that benefit specifically you? No. I'm going to ask the questions that I feel are important, in general, as will Bob, and Terry will like them or hate them as she always does, and Bob will cringe when I decide to comment on a forum thread like this, and the world will continue spinning.
Whether you liked this episode of Podcast UGC or not.
Have a nice day. :cool:
P.S. - Our hits say it was a pretty damn interesting episode.
P.S.S. - Terry and Bob are square and Terry "really misses him" on the show, so yeah.
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I would brag about hits when you get the same amount without a dev and without an expansion where everyone wants information and it's not posted on cryptics site.;)
Boy not one ounce of humility in you is there Hav! Glad you are a podcasting God and get to push your agenda and us little people have to listen - no wait, I don't have to listen - you lost me as a listener.
Thanks for saving us the trouble of listening to a four hour podcast by people who think that the appropriate reply to "you don't have any journalistic integrity" is "lol, journalistic integrity isn't something I should be expected to have."
While Im only playing ONE Romulan to enjoy the Romulan content, and think its silly to even want to play as anything else when you could do that as Fed or KDF, Hav may have lost his Alien Gen battle, but he single handedly won us THE war. That war is the Canonites vs Cryptic.
Since the beginning of this game, die hard and even mild canon followers have BEGGED Cryptic, PLEASE dont do X, it will hurt immersion in a Star Trek game.
Cryptic's Response: We dont care
Canonites: Oh come on now Cryptic, you guys have to be kidding right? PLEASE dont do Y, it will hurt immersion.
Cryptic's Response: We Dont Care
Canonites: Whoa whoa whoa, theres NO WAY you can do Z Cryptic, its a STAR TREK game! Are you guys mad! You'll run off everyone!
Cryptic's Response: WE. DONT. CARE.
But now that they've busted their butts to make a big expansion of content, suddenly they dont want the look of it dirtied in the eyes of new players and such by renegades like Hav who would be seen as something other than Romulan running around in his ships or on the ground. Suddenly, THEY CARE. There actually IS a Star Trek soul in the dev's bodies. But its too late now.
So when you decode Gecko's response to Hav, its basically this: We realize we look like hypocrites now, but DEAL WITH IT :cool:
So even though in the future they are still going to do what they want to do, Canonites can rest well at night knowing that Cryptic has finally come clean publicly that they are in fact Star Trek canon hypocrites. :rolleyes:
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If this is the case, perhaps you should rename your podcast to Podcast NPC or Podcast STO
You can discuss aliengen, Helna, the costume creator, Romulan ridges and boots for 3 hours a week, when there is nothing else to rage over.
You might get more hits then.
While Im sensing some bitterness between Kirkfat and the UGC crew, Kirkfat makes a good point. Technically, UGC conversation should just be a segment in the show because it hasnt just been about UGC content for quite some time. I guess its why other shows on the StarbaseUGC website popped up because the pilot show has stopped talking about the specifics of Foundry. Which Im fine with. PodcastUGC is the best replacement to STOked, because they are willing to ask the tough questions, like STOked use to. I dont listen to the kiss-up shows. I just read what they covered.
Hav has been looking for a new way to open the show, I think a new name should come as well. The show is great listening IMO, but selling it as UGC doesnt apply any more.
Gecko knows the rules of PodcastUGC and he hangs very well, if Hav throws a People's Elbow, he has no problem coming back with a Rock Bottom. I dont always agree with Gecko's take on things and his decisions, but he comes across the most human of the devs, since we no longer hear from Jeremy.
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Romulan Alien Generator. This podcast has just confused me to no end. So subscibers get to make a Romulan alien.
Now what was all this Romulan/Hybrid thing?
Will the Romulan alien be limited in parts? (I.E. no organic head slot or romulan only forehead markings?)
Again sorry.
You're confusion is understandable. As Geko says in the podcast, not even he is sure what it means.
Specifically, subscribers will get to make a Romulan Aliengen Hybrid, which is stated to be a limited version of the alien generator. What that means, no one is sure, but limiting something already so limited as the alien generator has never sat well with me.
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Boy not one ounce of humility in you is there Hav! Glad you are a podcasting God and get to push your agenda and us little people have to listen - no wait, I don't have to listen - you lost me as a listener.
I'm far from a podcasting god, but a normal guy with opinions on the game and I can back them up with good reasons. Of course you can chose to listen to the show or not.
If you REALLY don't like me, you'll miss out on Terrilynn calling me a mysogynist pig (a favorite past time), or miss out on Captain Geko schooling me on how wrong I am, on everything. Ever.
An appeal of the show is that it's honest. If I take a hit, you'll hear it. We're completely naked for you guys to judge, like, dislike, cringe, and celebrate when one of us "gets what's coming to them". So you can find your own enjoyment in the show, whether you like the discussions, the arguments, the occasional insult, or just yelling at your iPod at me. You can also write us hate mail.
We loooooove hate mail.
We read hate mail!
If you have something you want a dev to hear, REALLY badly, you can send it to us and we'll read it. We read everything.
So, do what you wish.
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You're confusion is understandable. As Geko says in the podcast, not even he is sure what it means.
Specifically, subscribers will get to make a Romulan Aliengen Hybrid, which is stated to be a limited version of the alien generator. What that means, no one is sure, but limiting something already so limited as the alien generator has never sat well with me.
It'a a story thing. The Romulan story line doesn't work with other species, at least not without changing a lot and that isn't likely to happen I guess.
So your choices are Romulan, Reman and Half-Romulan (Half-Reman ?). It also means that we probably won't see other species added, for example Joined Trill.
At least that's how I interpreted the information given so far.
It'a a story thing. The Romulan story line doesn't work with other species, at least not without changing a lot and that isn't likely to happen I guess.
So your choices are Romulan, Reman and Half-Romulan (Half-Reman ?). It also means that we probably won't see other species added, for example Joined Trill.
At least that's how I interpreted the information given so far.
That is how I interpreted it too. But a lot of things in the story break already. You can go on undercover missions as a Tal Shiar agent while flying a Federation starship. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm ok with that, I just wish my aliens weren't kept from me because of the logic "it doesn't make a lot of sense" or "the story if for Romulans."
And Dan Stahl said we'll probably see more species in the future. So who knows.
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another part of complainers are upset about how hard I was on Al over Aliengen (when no, he didn't really answer any of my points of argument, he just hand waved them to say "they don't matter"), and I find that hilarious as well because they're probably the same people who yell at other podcasts for being "too soft" on developers over topics THEY care about. Most of what I'm getting here is a lot of noise: a David vs. Goliath syndrome where ironically, little ole me has gone up against big ole Cryptic on a topic I care about and somehow these listeners walk away from the discussion feeling like "I" was Goliath, while the other guy hand-waved "that logic doesn't matter" around for one conversation and then explained how logic and reasons were really important to limiting ships in the ally system on another. Come on, people.
Like in the Podcast here you are coming off as a child sticking their fingers in their ears going na na na na I can't hear you.
They made a design decision, you don't like it, that is certainly your prerogative, but its not hand waving or non-computational or any of that other BS you are trying to use to justify your position. They didn't want full on alien gen for the Romulan faction, so they aren't doing it.
Put another way, they want to paint a room blue, but you don't want them to paint it blue, and you think that citing meaningless arguments ad nauseum about why blue is a bad color to paint a room, which are all really just matters of opinion of and taste, shows how out of touch they are.
There is a line between asking the hard questions and beating a dead horse, and its pretty obvious that you are oblivious to its existence.
Like in the Podcast here you are coming off as a child sticking their fingers in their ears going na na na na I can't hear you.
They made a design decision, you don't like it, that is certainly your prerogative, but its not hand waving or non-computational or any of that other BS you are trying to use to justify your position. They didn't want full on alien gen for the Romulan faction, so they aren't doing it.
Put another way, they want to paint a room blue, but you don't want them to paint it blue, and you think that citing meaningless arguments ad nauseum about why blue is a bad color to paint a room, which are all really just matters of opinion of and taste, shows how out of touch they are.
There is a line between asking the hard questions and beating a dead horse, and its pretty obvious that you are oblivious to its existence.
Like in the Podcast here you are coming off as a child sticking their fingers in their ears going na na na na I can't hear you.
They made a design decision, you don't like it, that is certainly your prerogative, but its not hand waving or non-computational or any of that other BS you are trying to use to justify your position. They didn't want full on alien gen for the Romulan faction, so they aren't doing it.
Put another way, they want to paint a room blue, but you don't want them to paint it blue, and you think that citing meaningless arguments ad nauseum about why blue is a bad color to paint a room, which are all really just matters of opinion of and taste, shows how out of touch they are.
There is a line between asking the hard questions and beating a dead horse, and its pretty obvious that you are oblivious to its existence.
Overall I enjoyed the interview.
The color blue is a bit different from the reasoning behind including or not including a feature in a faction. You're oversimplifying the discussion with really poor metaphor to make it seem ridiculous, and it's not. People play games if they can do something they want to do. If they can't do what they want to do, they may not play the game. That's a potential loss of revenue, and people want to know reasonings as to why that's deemed acceptable for a business model outside of "we like blue", especially when the next topic over here (say, ships being locked off from the ally system) make those decisions solely based on ... wait for it ... reasoning. Not because someone had a wild, random opinion.
Glad you enjoyed the interview, however.
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Even if I was playing a Romulan character, I would want to be Alien race, because Alien is the only race that can make multiple attractive characters within the same species that have very different appearances. In fact, one of my Fed characters has had a Romulan costume using the Alien creator since shortly after creation. It's also the only race that can do high heels (because of the larger slider on Foot Thickness), and the only race that can duplicate the look of another species when they feel like it. Remember when Kirk dressed up as a Romulan? When Picard, Data, and Troi dressed up as Romulans? When Jax dressed up as a Bajoran? When Sisko dressed up as a Klingon? When Kira was altered to look like a Cardassian? Apparently those are non-canon and all true fans of Star Trek should hate them, because that's what not having access to Aliens means for STO, and that's apparently what "real Star Trek fans" want, right?
I'm going to be paying for a subscription for the first time since before free to play when LoR comes out, specifically so that I can play a character that looks like I want. And while you're flying your TOTALLY CANON Romulan-race Romulan with your Orion and Breen and Jem Hadar and Borg and Caitian and Reman bridge officers on your Tholian Orb Weaver wile you are chasing epohhs with a minigun...
I'll be cool with it.
Because what you do with your character doesn't impact what I do with mine. And because I, for my part, am not such a selfish, inconsiderate, short-sighted jerk that I'd try to prevent somebody else from playing a game the way they want because it offends me to know that somewhere, somebody is having fun doing something I wouldn't enjoy.
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^Exactly this!!
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Trading BOFFs / training BOFFs
In this section it was hinted about training manuals to get skills for BoFFs. This to me sounds like a plan to introduce a dilithium charge into BOFF training as people will need to buy Quality books to create their manuals. Please I hope to be wrong on this one :eek:
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
I was really getting annoyed he wouldn't drop the subject and move on too. We should all be much be more vocal in making opposition to aliens being available for Romulans so it hopefully never happens. I don't want to see them looking like the Federation.
Dont quote me on it but I think someone said awhile ago the rom aliens wouldn't have things the others have.
I imagen it'll be your average humanoid with the nose and forehead details.
Meeee tooo!! I would prefer the faction be 70% Romulan, 29% Reman, 1% (or less) Alien.
That guy was so annoying!
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Agreed. The alien gen thing went on way too long.
I want to play Romulans so the alien creator is a non-issue for me.
And what was that "I've played longer than you" stuff at the start? That's no way to treat people.
I also felt that there was a bit of condescension from Bob towards not just Terry but Hav as well. The part where Terry got cut of mid sentence was rude. His jabs about how the other podcasters on the show didn't know how to do math, and how Hav doesn't know how to use his ships or play his character (or whatever it was) didn't come across as funny, it just came across as snobbish and elitist.
It also seemed like Al could barely get two words into a statement or answer before getting interrupted.
And going on about Alien Gen for that long.... If you have to explain your position without interruption on anything for nearly 3 or 4 minutes, you shouldn't be discussing it on a podcast. By the time we got to the end of his doublespeak rant, I already forgot what he was talking about. I literally just took my headphones out for a minute or two and stopped listening. I actually thought to myself, I wonder if Geko is still listening or even connected?
Geko's smack down was wonderful and I think he could have been a lot more forceful with his smack down. Geko explained about how this guy has gone on and on in past interviews and in thread after thread about a part of the game that in the grand scheme is not that important. Honestly, I think it's taking advantage of the relationship that the podcasters have with the devs. If I was Geko I wouldn't do the show again for a while. You run the show to do interviews and disseminate information to the masses about the game... not repeatedly harass the devs about something that is not a major issue in the community, but a feature that you personally care about. Pointing out that you do or don't like something is ok, but dang...
My rebuttal to Alien Gen...
I don't really understand Hav's argument that he doesn't get the feel that the Rommies aren't Xenophobic from the story. They are, always have been, and unless hundreds of years go by with sweeping cultural changes... always will be. I've played to level 12, so haven't seen everything to be seen, but I don't see any evidence to refute that they are not xenophobic. Forming military alliances does not break Xenophobia.
Hell I can see Vulcan being in it becasue there could have been Vulcan who were helping Spock later on, listend to his warning and got off Romulus before it got the smack down. Maybe felt liek outcasts for going with Spock so decided not to return to Vulcan, and joined the Romulan refugees to help out.Things go down with Hakvee, the Vulcan know about D'tan becasue he/she worked with Spock, so they would have more of a reason to help the republic.
But random Aliens would not really fit...But I can see limited halfbreed Romulan children being part of the story.
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Thank you! I'm so glad you did that. I'm always looking for a transcript or some sort of summary from these podcasts, but I always end up having to try to learn what was said from the context of the discussion threads.
There are some people here who are completely oblivious to the conversational and often argumentative tone of the show and clearly haven't even heard Terry and me go at it over Archer condemning a species to death, let alone anything related to politics or Star Trek Online. Most of what I'm getting here is a lot of noise: a David vs. Goliath syndrome where ironically, little ole me has gone up against big ole Cryptic on a topic I care about and somehow these listeners walk away from the discussion feeling like "I" was Goliath, while the other guy hand-waved "that logic doesn't matter" around for one conversation and then explained how logic and reasons were really important to limiting ships in the ally system on another. Come on, people.
The fact of the matter is, no one was hurt, we all got along, it's a long ... very conversational interview, I made some solid statements in, and yes ... there's a lot of people who disagree with me on aliengen. They're also people who haven't seen that you can conduct yourself in story mode as an Tal Shiar operative wearing a typical Romulan Republic uniform, or fly a Federation ship into missions where I'm actually UNDERCOVER as a Tal Shiar operative, or fly around with an I.R.W. prefix like you're Tal Shiar in any other non-Tal Shiar mission, or any number of roleplaying capabilities and canonicity that fly in the face of the specific "Romulan story" that is supposed to be so important that limiting the alien gen is even a thing.
So, my take on this? Noise. It's the same kind of noise Podcast UGC has always gotten when we post any sort of thread on the forums. People roll about, they complain about how we do things, and then they roll away because they didn't really care in the first place
I've heard complaints that Podcast UGC is a nothing but a soap box for the podcasters to push our agenda.
YES.
What? Do you pay me? Did you expect me to ask only questions that benefit specifically you? No. I'm going to ask the questions that I feel are important, in general, as will Bob, and Terry will like them or hate them as she always does, and Bob will cringe when I decide to comment on a forum thread like this, and the world will continue spinning.
Whether you liked this episode of Podcast UGC or not.
Have a nice day. :cool:
P.S. - Our hits say it was a pretty damn interesting episode.
P.S.S. - Terry and Bob are square and Terry "really misses him" on the show, so yeah.
Check out my Foundry missions
Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
Good Luck with others as well.
Thanks for saving us the trouble of listening to a four hour podcast by people who think that the appropriate reply to "you don't have any journalistic integrity" is "lol, journalistic integrity isn't something I should be expected to have."
Since the beginning of this game, die hard and even mild canon followers have BEGGED Cryptic, PLEASE dont do X, it will hurt immersion in a Star Trek game.
Cryptic's Response: We dont care
Canonites: Oh come on now Cryptic, you guys have to be kidding right? PLEASE dont do Y, it will hurt immersion.
Cryptic's Response: We Dont Care
Canonites: Whoa whoa whoa, theres NO WAY you can do Z Cryptic, its a STAR TREK game! Are you guys mad! You'll run off everyone!
Cryptic's Response: WE. DONT. CARE.
But now that they've busted their butts to make a big expansion of content, suddenly they dont want the look of it dirtied in the eyes of new players and such by renegades like Hav who would be seen as something other than Romulan running around in his ships or on the ground. Suddenly, THEY CARE. There actually IS a Star Trek soul in the dev's bodies. But its too late now.
So when you decode Gecko's response to Hav, its basically this: We realize we look like hypocrites now, but DEAL WITH IT :cool:
So even though in the future they are still going to do what they want to do, Canonites can rest well at night knowing that Cryptic has finally come clean publicly that they are in fact Star Trek canon hypocrites. :rolleyes:
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
If this is the case, perhaps you should rename your podcast to Podcast NPC or Podcast STO
You can discuss aliengen, Helna, the costume creator, Romulan ridges and boots for 3 hours a week, when there is nothing else to rage over.
You might get more hits then.
While Im sensing some bitterness between Kirkfat and the UGC crew, Kirkfat makes a good point. Technically, UGC conversation should just be a segment in the show because it hasnt just been about UGC content for quite some time. I guess its why other shows on the StarbaseUGC website popped up because the pilot show has stopped talking about the specifics of Foundry. Which Im fine with. PodcastUGC is the best replacement to STOked, because they are willing to ask the tough questions, like STOked use to. I dont listen to the kiss-up shows. I just read what they covered.
Hav has been looking for a new way to open the show, I think a new name should come as well. The show is great listening IMO, but selling it as UGC doesnt apply any more.
Gecko knows the rules of PodcastUGC and he hangs very well, if Hav throws a People's Elbow, he has no problem coming back with a Rock Bottom. I dont always agree with Gecko's take on things and his decisions, but he comes across the most human of the devs, since we no longer hear from Jeremy.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Romulan Alien Generator. This podcast has just confused me to no end. So subscibers get to make a Romulan alien.
Now what was all this Romulan/Hybrid thing?
Will the Romulan alien be limited in parts? (I.E. no organic head slot or romulan only forehead markings?)
Again sorry.
You're confusion is understandable. As Geko says in the podcast, not even he is sure what it means.
Specifically, subscribers will get to make a Romulan Aliengen Hybrid, which is stated to be a limited version of the alien generator. What that means, no one is sure, but limiting something already so limited as the alien generator has never sat well with me.
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Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
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I'm far from a podcasting god, but a normal guy with opinions on the game and I can back them up with good reasons. Of course you can chose to listen to the show or not.
If you REALLY don't like me, you'll miss out on Terrilynn calling me a mysogynist pig (a favorite past time), or miss out on Captain Geko schooling me on how wrong I am, on everything. Ever.
An appeal of the show is that it's honest. If I take a hit, you'll hear it. We're completely naked for you guys to judge, like, dislike, cringe, and celebrate when one of us "gets what's coming to them". So you can find your own enjoyment in the show, whether you like the discussions, the arguments, the occasional insult, or just yelling at your iPod at me. You can also write us hate mail.
We loooooove hate mail.
We read hate mail!
If you have something you want a dev to hear, REALLY badly, you can send it to us and we'll read it. We read everything.
So, do what you wish.
Check out my Foundry missions
Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
It'a a story thing. The Romulan story line doesn't work with other species, at least not without changing a lot and that isn't likely to happen I guess.
So your choices are Romulan, Reman and Half-Romulan (Half-Reman ?). It also means that we probably won't see other species added, for example Joined Trill.
At least that's how I interpreted the information given so far.
That is how I interpreted it too. But a lot of things in the story break already. You can go on undercover missions as a Tal Shiar agent while flying a Federation starship. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm ok with that, I just wish my aliens weren't kept from me because of the logic "it doesn't make a lot of sense" or "the story if for Romulans."
And Dan Stahl said we'll probably see more species in the future. So who knows.
Check out my Foundry missions
Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
Like in the Podcast here you are coming off as a child sticking their fingers in their ears going na na na na I can't hear you.
They made a design decision, you don't like it, that is certainly your prerogative, but its not hand waving or non-computational or any of that other BS you are trying to use to justify your position. They didn't want full on alien gen for the Romulan faction, so they aren't doing it.
Put another way, they want to paint a room blue, but you don't want them to paint it blue, and you think that citing meaningless arguments ad nauseum about why blue is a bad color to paint a room, which are all really just matters of opinion of and taste, shows how out of touch they are.
There is a line between asking the hard questions and beating a dead horse, and its pretty obvious that you are oblivious to its existence.
Overall I enjoyed the interview.
Well said.
The color blue is a bit different from the reasoning behind including or not including a feature in a faction. You're oversimplifying the discussion with really poor metaphor to make it seem ridiculous, and it's not. People play games if they can do something they want to do. If they can't do what they want to do, they may not play the game. That's a potential loss of revenue, and people want to know reasonings as to why that's deemed acceptable for a business model outside of "we like blue", especially when the next topic over here (say, ships being locked off from the ally system) make those decisions solely based on ... wait for it ... reasoning. Not because someone had a wild, random opinion.
Glad you enjoyed the interview, however.
Check out my Foundry missions
Fed: "To Helna and Back", "Rema Donna", "Animations with Helna", "Mudd's Weapons", "Waiting for Wednesday", "Monolith"
KDF: "Time the Enemy", "Time the Ally", "Time the Traitor"
I'm going to be paying for a subscription for the first time since before free to play when LoR comes out, specifically so that I can play a character that looks like I want. And while you're flying your TOTALLY CANON Romulan-race Romulan with your Orion and Breen and Jem Hadar and Borg and Caitian and Reman bridge officers on your Tholian Orb Weaver wile you are chasing epohhs with a minigun...
I'll be cool with it.
Because what you do with your character doesn't impact what I do with mine. And because I, for my part, am not such a selfish, inconsiderate, short-sighted jerk that I'd try to prevent somebody else from playing a game the way they want because it offends me to know that somewhere, somebody is having fun doing something I wouldn't enjoy.