Eh, I've bought a metric TRIBBLE ton of C-Store ships and have no desire to use them on my Romulan character. I use them on the characters I bought them for. Heck there are a lot of ships I've bought that I don't even use on the character I bought them for anymore because I found something I liked more.
I will requisition them for their consoles then bin them.
only issue i have is lack of free options. there is one a cruiser and even for the pay options there are no science ships at all just escorts and cruisers
but for the most part i agree story wise using allied T5 ships is silly
As I have been playing through LoR I have been hearing that you will only be able to use T1 through to T4 allied ships. I feel its awesome to be able to fly allied ships but if we can use them shouldn't we be able to use their T5 ships as well? This is quite a bummer because if I was going to ally with FED I would like to use the many C-store ships I BOUGHT. I am wondering what other people are thinking, because after listening to priority ones interview of dstalh he said that not using a Romulan ship would make you feel that your givcinv some of your fire power away, I am more than happy to sacrifice a little fire power for my trust armitage or dreadnought.
What are you guys thoughts?
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Romulans can't have it all nor do they deserve it all.
At moment on Tribble it seems that KDF Rom's can apparently fly the B'rel Refit and Ho'shus whatever that thing is. However the point keeps coming up, why should Romulans take away part of the unique experience playing a particular faction? If you give Romulans access to everything with no penalties you may as well just scrap both the KDF and Fed faction.
they changed it because too many people were crying that T5 and fleet ships shouldnt be open to roms since fed/kdf cant use warbirds. so now its T1-4 with fleet warbirds and C-store tier 5 warbirds only.
Romulans can't have it all nor do they deserve it all.
At moment on Tribble it seems that KDF Rom's can apparently fly the B'rel Refit and Ho'shus whatever that thing is. However the point keeps coming up, why should Romulans take away part of the unique experience playing a particular faction? If you give Romulans access to everything with no penalties you may as well just scrap both the KDF and Fed faction.
The Hoh'sus is the deployable vessel of the bortasqu if i recall correctly, so its basically the KDF version of the aquarius.
I see peoples views that romulans shouldn't have it all and I think that's respectable however if a Romulan is in a FED fleet in a story POV would you feel some what disrespected in a fleet if they said "we don't trust you with our modernized warships, so where only allowing you to buy Romulan ships" I think that people should either not be able to use ally ships at all and make Romulans a true faction or allow T5 ships as an option or limited reward for those who want it. Because no matter which way you turn someone is going to complain...
As for the fact that if you want a FED/KDF ship you should roll a new toon for that faction I disagree I am a main fed and don't have any "premium" KDF ships but I'm not going to roll a new toon just to get that new ship with the race and traits I want... I would much rather roll a new faction toon that has a wider variety of options and a better storyline...
I don't think they need to be able to use allied T5 ships, but I do think they will need better variety of options beyond "there's one of everything in the C-Store". We'll see where we are at in 6 months on that front, I guess.
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How about a compromise? Give Romulans access to the two Fed ships that can cloak. They are both refitted T4 version anyway, and they already let a Romulan on the Defiant who probably reported back everything she could.:D
Now how to compromise on the Klingon side?....
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No, Romulans should not get access to KDF or Fed ships. OP's logic is stupid. Even though I paid for a B'rel retro on my KDF side does not give me a reasonable expectation that I should be able to play a B'rel on my fed toon. Its different factions. Plain and simple.
Sure you can argue about a few KDF ships were flown by Romulans in canon, but its better this way. Make the factions unique.
In case you haven't gone through the Romulan side, let me introduce you to what's going on:
You are not part of the Tal Shiar. You are not part of the Romulan Star Empire. You are not part of the Romulan Military. You are ALLIED with but not a SUBJECT of the Klingon Empire or a citizen of the Federation NOR are you a Starfleet officer.
T1-4 is fine since the Romulans are barely even an established faction (the don't even have a World when you start!), so borrowing some ships isn't that hard to believe. A good number of them growing up without Tal Shiar or military brainwashing helps.
I would agree that giving them T5 is just too much, though... and this from someone who wants a Galaxy Retrofit on my Romulan.
A good number of them growing up without Tal Shiar or military brainwashing helps.
The average Vulcan/Romulan life span is 200 years. It has only been what 20 or so years since Romulus went boom? Its probably a safe bet that the majority of Romulans currently around where alive when the Empire was at its height and the Tal Shiar at it's strongest.
I totally support the lack of allied T5 ships for Romulans. This forces any player who wants to get his Romulan out of what is sure to be a garbage scow of a free D'Deridex to pump money into the game, either directly or indirectly through the purchase of fleet modules or C-store ships. I find it brilliant that PWE/Cryptic managed this in such a fashion that leaves the forum community believing that it was the result of their outcry, instead of being the plan all along. How else was this grand expansion going get paid for?
Okay, why do people keep talking about the D'Deridex as the free ship at T5?
It's a T4 ship.
The free T5 ship is listed as the Ha'apax. You can get a T5 D'Deridex either from the C-Store (including having bought the Legacy Pack) or a Fleet version.
One of the weakest points of this game imho is the utter disregard to faction identity, mostly the result of giving in to the desire of part of the playerbase to be able to get the best/coolest of everything. Instead of different factions with their own specific ships, we have Federation captains who are Klingon, with a bridge crew of liberated Borg, Jem'hadar, Breen and Remans, flying a Ferengi Marauder, and Klingon captains who are Orion Slave girls with a crew of Romulans flying a Cardassian Galor.
Any system to help prevent what I just described is to be welcomed imho. So I'm glad the restriction of only being able to fly Romulan endgame ships is there. (Though there are still the various lockbox ships for Romulans to fly unfortunately)
No T5 allied ships for romulans - i'm fine with that.
but - why lower tier ships? No, really .. why?
As some smart people said:
If you want to fly a fed/kdf ship, play a fed/kdf char - or
not using a romulan ship would make you feel that your giving some of your fire power away
And if romulans are an own faction - such "tricks" shouldn't be necessary. And if it does - why can't fed/kdf buy lower tier romulan ships?
Consoles, primarily. You won't catch my Rommie dead in an Oberth, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to borrow the Enhanced Plasma Manifold to help compensate for the power levels...
I think they shouldn't allow the use of allied ships at all, and at best you can strip the console from your allies C-Store ships for use on your Romulan ship.
If you want to fly Fed/KDF ships there are already factions for that.
I think they shouldn't allow the use of allied ships at all, and at best you can strip the console from your allies C-Store ships for use on your Romulan ship.
If you want to fly Fed/KDF ships there are already factions for that.
Allowing the T1-4 is just for continued ships sales for their consoles...
I would prefer the Romulans not have access to allied T5 ships. That would be a step in the wrong direction in my opinion.
I agree. I can't see Starfleet or the KDF sharing their most advanced and most powerful ships with an ally. It also defeats the purpose of being a Romulan, I mean if you want to fly a Fed or KDF why not just make a Fed or KDF toon? O.o
The only reason I think it was allowed in the firs place was so that Romulan players can benefit from the t1-t4 special consoles anyway.
They should just allow the consoles to be claimable in a manner similar to the bajoran weapons from the DS9 pack, letting us romulans have access to Fed/KDF ships just breaks immersion and dilutes the uniqueness of the faction, IMO.
Personally idk havent had the chance to fly a D'Deridex yet since thats locked
Personally though if the D'deridex is as good as a galaxy dreadnaught like i have on holodeck you will never pull me out of it lol
But until i get to fly the D'deridex i can only speculate and hope so until then i cannot give more then an opinon based on bias since i like rommies
Just my thoughts, If I'm going to be playing a Romulan then I want a Romulan Battle Cruiser and not Fed or Klink Criuser. I feel the other faction ship need to stay within their faction. Even if you side your character with Fed or Klink.
They should just allow the consoles to be claimable in a manner similar to the bajoran weapons from the DS9 pack, letting us romulans have access to Fed/KDF ships just breaks immersion and dilutes the uniqueness of the faction, IMO.
According to that recent interview CaptainGeko did the plan was to give Romulans access to all KDF or Fed ships (depending on who the player allied with) but CBS stepped in and said no. http://www.podcastugc.com/archives/600
Personally I'm glad that they've given players some choices, I've never been a fan of limiting other players choices because it may break MY immersion. It's not my place to tell people how to play or what to do with their character. Having said that, I'm also glad that they've imposed some restrictions. I think it would be silly if Romulans got access to every KDF and Fed ship out there, there would be no point in being anything but Romulan.
I have quite a few store ships i was slightly peeved i could not use for my romulan, but after the first dismay it started as perfect sense, since those ships give alot of identity to the factions.
I personally believe they should never have started putting cross-faction consoles in the lockboxes, that is wattering down the uniqueness of the factions
From a story perspective it also makes enough sense, that with such long time of war and distrust, it makes perfect sense for the "factions" not to share the top tech with their fresh allies, since they need to keep something for their own protection etc...
So, T4 as it is, makes enough sense .... but dont block the lockboxes ....
If the lockboxes represent ships salvaged by the lobi consortium, any ship in them should be "factionless" , so let everybody fly every lockbox ship, it does not make sense storywise from our neutral Ferengi Traders point of view...
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I will requisition them for their consoles then bin them.
but for the most part i agree story wise using allied T5 ships is silly
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At moment on Tribble it seems that KDF Rom's can apparently fly the B'rel Refit and Ho'shus whatever that thing is. However the point keeps coming up, why should Romulans take away part of the unique experience playing a particular faction? If you give Romulans access to everything with no penalties you may as well just scrap both the KDF and Fed faction.
What Cryptic should consider before releasing anything.
The Hoh'sus is the deployable vessel of the bortasqu if i recall correctly, so its basically the KDF version of the aquarius.
As for the fact that if you want a FED/KDF ship you should roll a new toon for that faction I disagree I am a main fed and don't have any "premium" KDF ships but I'm not going to roll a new toon just to get that new ship with the race and traits I want... I would much rather roll a new faction toon that has a wider variety of options and a better storyline...
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Now how to compromise on the Klingon side?....
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Sure you can argue about a few KDF ships were flown by Romulans in canon, but its better this way. Make the factions unique.
You are not part of the Tal Shiar. You are not part of the Romulan Star Empire. You are not part of the Romulan Military. You are ALLIED with but not a SUBJECT of the Klingon Empire or a citizen of the Federation NOR are you a Starfleet officer.
There, make sense now?
I would agree that giving them T5 is just too much, though... and this from someone who wants a Galaxy Retrofit on my Romulan.
Fixed that for you. :cool:
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The average Vulcan/Romulan life span is 200 years. It has only been what 20 or so years since Romulus went boom? Its probably a safe bet that the majority of Romulans currently around where alive when the Empire was at its height and the Tal Shiar at it's strongest.
It's a T4 ship.
The free T5 ship is listed as the Ha'apax. You can get a T5 D'Deridex either from the C-Store (including having bought the Legacy Pack) or a Fleet version.
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=869551
I've seen it mentioned now recently in several threads...am I missing something or are they missing something?
Any system to help prevent what I just described is to be welcomed imho. So I'm glad the restriction of only being able to fly Romulan endgame ships is there. (Though there are still the various lockbox ships for Romulans to fly unfortunately)
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Consoles, primarily. You won't catch my Rommie dead in an Oberth, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to borrow the Enhanced Plasma Manifold to help compensate for the power levels...
If you want to fly Fed/KDF ships there are already factions for that.
Allowing the T1-4 is just for continued ships sales for their consoles...
I agree. I can't see Starfleet or the KDF sharing their most advanced and most powerful ships with an ally. It also defeats the purpose of being a Romulan, I mean if you want to fly a Fed or KDF why not just make a Fed or KDF toon? O.o
The only reason I think it was allowed in the firs place was so that Romulan players can benefit from the t1-t4 special consoles anyway.
Just my thoughts, If I'm going to be playing a Romulan then I want a Romulan Battle Cruiser and not Fed or Klink Criuser. I feel the other faction ship need to stay within their faction. Even if you side your character with Fed or Klink.
According to that recent interview CaptainGeko did the plan was to give Romulans access to all KDF or Fed ships (depending on who the player allied with) but CBS stepped in and said no. http://www.podcastugc.com/archives/600
Personally I'm glad that they've given players some choices, I've never been a fan of limiting other players choices because it may break MY immersion. It's not my place to tell people how to play or what to do with their character. Having said that, I'm also glad that they've imposed some restrictions. I think it would be silly if Romulans got access to every KDF and Fed ship out there, there would be no point in being anything but Romulan.
I agree
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I personally believe they should never have started putting cross-faction consoles in the lockboxes, that is wattering down the uniqueness of the factions
From a story perspective it also makes enough sense, that with such long time of war and distrust, it makes perfect sense for the "factions" not to share the top tech with their fresh allies, since they need to keep something for their own protection etc...
So, T4 as it is, makes enough sense .... but dont block the lockboxes ....
If the lockboxes represent ships salvaged by the lobi consortium, any ship in them should be "factionless" , so let everybody fly every lockbox ship, it does not make sense storywise from our neutral Ferengi Traders point of view...
Rules of Aquisition #34 : War is good for business.
You really need to limit all T5 allied stuff so at one point you can pull all of the Romulans back together.
Remember that Dstalh talked about even when we get to admiral we will still being using our T5 ships.
I love keep them out of the T5 honey pot so we can have a true faction down the road.