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silverfaustxsilverfaustx Member Posts: 262
i want to beable to change to kdf if i dont like fed anymore and vice versa.
dont want to b stuck on 1 faction that is not even my own..
or maybe go rogue
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  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Actually if they set that in, you'd be gimping yourself in the DOff department, since Diplomacy and Marauding don't cross over.

    Also, it would mean you could run up fed until LCdr, get the Point defense console, switch sides, get the neural-warhead for free, switch sides again, rinse, repeat, which would unbalance the game in the Romulan favor way too much.

    Now I agree going rogue would be fun though.
  • vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited April 2013
    Others would argue that you should carefully consider your alliances and be prepared to live with the consequences of your actions?
  • captrott1captrott1 Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Personally, I feel romulans shouldn't have their own version of Diplomacy and Maurading. Maybe call it subterfuge or something.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They've already said it's not going to happen in podcasts.

    Afterall, what happens if you're flying a federation ship.. and were able to defect over to Klingon? Would you ship suddenly go poof? Q suddenly decides to send your Federation bridge officers away on a permanent holiday? etc.
  • silverfaustxsilverfaustx Member Posts: 262
    edited April 2013
    what if we grind a rom till 50 and never choose a side, might get stuck in a sector but missions have TW
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You need to pick Fed or KDF before you even make him. Treat him like a race, not a faction.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    what if we grind a rom till 50 and never choose a side, might get stuck in a sector but missions have TW

    I am actually rather curious as to what happens if a science officer manages to level up to the point of being able to use photonic fleet without picking an allegiance.
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    szerontzur wrote: »
    I am actually rather curious as to what happens if a science officer manages to level up to the point of being able to use photonic fleet without picking an allegiance.

    You know, now I'm curious too. If I'm going to guess (and its a guess) it seems Romulan defaults to Federation. I say this because having tested a Klinkrom, all the text bugs, the DOff bugs, and the like seem to be bugged because they are defaulting to Federation.

    So that said, my guess is you'll call in Federation ships.
  • revalahrevalah Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    what if we grind a rom till 50 and never choose a side, might get stuck in a sector but missions have TW

    I think you remain stuck at level 10 till you make a choice. If not you should do.

    And Frankly, if you want to change to a Klinkrom or vice versa, just roll another character. Its a lot easier to balance and program that than having people hop back and forth.
  • kregorkregor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You need to pick Fed or KDF before you even make him. Treat him like a race, not a faction.

    HAH!

    No. That isn't how it works.
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    kregor wrote: »
    HAH!

    No. That isn't how it works.

    I think what he was trying to say was, before you even create the character, have an idea which faction you want to join and why, so you don't feel like you made a mistake joining the wrong faction.

    Since basically the storyline is pretty much the same, either side you go so far, the only real difference is mechanical and uniforms. Which consoles do you prefer, if you're going to use your allied factions ships, which ships do you prefer, and what uniforms styles do you prefer, then make a decision prior to even entering the game.
  • messahlamessahla Member Posts: 1,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    what if we grind a rom till 50 and never choose a side, might get stuck in a sector but missions have TW
    revalah wrote: »
    I think you remain stuck at level 10 till you make a choice. If not you should do.

    And Frankly, if you want to change to a Klinkrom or vice versa, just roll another character. Its a lot easier to balance and program that than having people hop back and forth.

    If you dont pick a side you dont leave Tau dewa
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    messahla wrote: »
    If you dont pick a side you dont leave Tau dewa

    I also believe you don't get new ships, though I'm not sure if they can stop you from claiming C-Store ships at the proper rank.

    I don't think they actually stop you from grinding, you can (theoretically) grind replays all the way up in your old BoP I believe.
  • raptor63549raptor63549 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If you could change sides at will, it could cause problems by you being able to get every single piece of gear out there rather than just one side's.
  • kregorkregor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    I think what he was trying to say was, before you even create the character, have an idea which faction you want to join and why, so you don't feel like you made a mistake joining the wrong faction.

    Since basically the storyline is pretty much the same, either side you go so far, the only real difference is mechanical and uniforms. Which consoles do you prefer, if you're going to use your allied factions ships, which ships do you prefer, and what uniforms styles do you prefer, then make a decision prior to even entering the game.

    Yeah, figured that out shortly after posting. Not going to edit it though. Owning up to my mistake and all that.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    I think what he was trying to say was, before you even create the character, have an idea which faction you want to join and why, so you don't feel like you made a mistake joining the wrong faction.
    Yeah, you should make him with a faction in mind, just like you would make Fed or KDF toon. You're just picking a romulan race for one or the other anyway, so just treat it like have grind 10 levels as part of character creation and you wont need to switch later.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    vitzh wrote: »
    Others would argue that you should carefully consider your alliances and be prepared to live with the consequences of your actions?

    This right here! Before you make a selection you get a window that tells you to take your time and make sure you choose a side you like because the decision is PERMANENT. If a player RUSHES to pick a side just to get through it then he should be willing to live with the circumstances.

    However, I do think a little more info could be provided to help players make an informed decision. The mission that leads up to that point doesn't seem to provide much info about what motivates the Feds or the KDF. I found myself asking, as a new player exactly why would I want to ally myself with the Feds? As a Romulan my first impression of feds are that T'Nae seems to thoroughly dislike Romulans (odd for Vulcan) and Sugihara is full of himself. The KDF doesn't trust Romulans but at least they give them SOME credit AND the player even teams up with one of their ships at one point.
  • raptor63549raptor63549 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They really should give a bit more info regarding each side though.
    The diplomats have next to nothing to say to you before you make your choice, and I would love if you had a couple more missions where you interact with Starlfeet and the KDF.

    Of course, at the end of the day, with the missions being Romulan missions unconnected with either side for the most part, the major factor in the descision really is what end game gear you want (Ship consoles and fleet weapons).
  • vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited April 2013
    wilv wrote: »
    However, I do think a little more info could be provided to help players make an informed decision. The mission that leads up to that point doesn't seem to provide much info about what motivates the Feds or the KDF. I found myself asking, as a new player exactly why would I want to ally myself with the Feds? As a Romulan my first impression of feds are that T'Nae seems to thoroughly dislike Romulans (odd for Vulcan) and Sugihara is full of himself. The KDF doesn't trust Romulans but at least they give them SOME credit AND the player even teams up with one of their ships at one point.

    Some of the new KDF tutorial missions make you understand why KDF enjoy putting disruptor bolts through fed skulls and paint Feds quite negatively. Actually quite a few fed missions paint the feds in a very negative light.

    Overall though, the KDF seem are much more fitting ally than the Feds for the Romulans due to the dialogue in game. KDF swear to help you get revenge and to hunt down every Tal Shiar while Feds moan about diplomatic solutions and aid. Hmm your home, your friends and family pretty much just got obliterated and destroyed by your enemies, who is going to guarantee you justice? Certainly doesn't sound like Feds at the moment.....
  • revalahrevalah Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Actually, the dialogue in the game is pretty much clear that the Klingons would happily be putting a disruptor bolt through your skull and some were were actually calling for invading new Romulus. Take a look at the NPCs talking as you wander around the conference. Jarod signs off from the Kang wit "This could be yet another Romulan trick" My reaction was sod off you jerk.

    Coming from a place that had just been brutally invaded, why would you join a faction that's pretty much indistinguishable from the *******s that took your home?
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    vitzh wrote: »
    Some of the new KDF tutorial missions make you understand why KDF enjoy putting disruptor bolts through fed skulls and paint Feds quite negatively. Actually quite a few fed missions paint the feds in a very negative light.

    Overall though, the KDF seem are much more fitting ally than the Feds for the Romulans due to the dialogue in game. KDF swear to help you get revenge and to hunt down every Tal Shiar while Feds moan about diplomatic solutions and aid. Hmm your home, your friends and family pretty much just got obliterated and destroyed by your enemies, who is going to guarantee you justice? Certainly doesn't sound like Feds at the moment.....

    Justice isn't vengence and not all players will play their characters with "justice" in mind. Some players might want to take a more constructive approach and focus on rebuilding. Unfortunately there seems to be very little in the way of info.
    revalah wrote: »
    Actually, the dialogue in the game is pretty much clear that the Klingons would happily be putting a disruptor bolt through your skull and some were were actually calling for invading new Romulus. Take a look at the NPCs talking as you wander around the conference. Jarod signs off from the Kang wit "This could be yet another Romulan trick" My reaction was sod off you jerk.

    Coming from a place that had just been brutally invaded, why would you join a faction that's pretty much indistinguishable from the *******s that took your home?

    This right here is part of the problem. Not everyone pays attention to the background chatter that NPCs are spouting off. For most people that's just there to "set the mood". If a player is to make an INFORMED decision we need more info about what drives the FED and KDF and why I (as a Romulan) would want to ally myself with EITHER of them, instead of just saying to hell with both of them.

    If you recall, the player starts out on the fence about D'Tan and the Romulan Republic as well but at least we get time to understand WHY we should join them. We don't really get that from the FED or KDF.

    I mean the interaction from either group boils down to this:
    From the Klingon we get insulted, we get him some wine and then he basically says you're cool but I don't like you. We get some insults from the Gorn then he says you got spirit but we don't like you. From the FED we listen to Jiro go on and on and on and on (to the point where it might be considered torture) then from T'nae you get greeted by an overly hostile, defensive Vulcan (which seems completely illogical). There's no real motivation to join EITHER group for me.

    It's almost as if the player has to have played KDF or FED to get an understanding about what makes these two factions work BEFORE getting to this point of the Romulan story.
  • vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited April 2013
  • abaddon653abaddon653 Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Yeah this would be abused to easily.
  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Playable Undine FTW.

    Also, since everyone in the KDF would pretty much blast any other KDF member, they really are treating you better than the Feds. :)
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    So that said, my guess is you'll call in Federation ships.

    or call in romulan ships. I see photonic fleet being romulan and the distress call power being random between faction ship and romulan ship.

    Edit: on further thinking.... maybe they could make it based on the current ship your flying. flying a warbird these powers give you warbirds, fly a fed/kdf ship, it gives you fed/kdf ships.
  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited April 2013
    They really should give a bit more info regarding each side though.

    What more information do you need? KDF get the Plasmonic Leech console which is almost vital to offset the -10 power settings you get for flying a warbird.

    Makes it a no-brainer as to which side is the better choice.
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    vitzh wrote: »
    Wasn't T'nae Undine or something?

    T'naes the head of starbase sierra 39, your thinking of the other chick.
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