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Hobus Forgiveness or Forgetfulness?
digitalhavoc2112
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I cannot wait for LoR to arrive! All I have seen and read points to a phenomenal and dramatic expansion of the STO universe. Well done, Cryptic!
There is one nagging detail that I have yet to see resolved (and maybe it is in LoR). According to the Path to 2409, in 2387, it was known Hobus was becoming unstable and Spock and Picard petitioned the Vulcan Science Academy for help to quell Hobus before it exploded. They were turned down flat and, in essence, left Romulus to die. How will LoR handle this? It would seem to me Romulus could never forgive the Federation for abandoning them. What would be the premise for the survivors to either forgive, or never find out in the first place, what the Federation did (or didn't do). It was only Spock acting alone that stopped the supernova from engulfing the rest of the quadrant. Granted, the Romulan Senate did not want to go ask their long lost brethren for help, but nonetheless, I think the Federation had an obligation to help, and they sat on their hands.
So I've been perplexed with the sudden, willing alliance between D'Tan and the new Romulan Republic, and the Federation. Did the survivors forgive the Federation's betrayal, forget, or did they never know?
There is one nagging detail that I have yet to see resolved (and maybe it is in LoR). According to the Path to 2409, in 2387, it was known Hobus was becoming unstable and Spock and Picard petitioned the Vulcan Science Academy for help to quell Hobus before it exploded. They were turned down flat and, in essence, left Romulus to die. How will LoR handle this? It would seem to me Romulus could never forgive the Federation for abandoning them. What would be the premise for the survivors to either forgive, or never find out in the first place, what the Federation did (or didn't do). It was only Spock acting alone that stopped the supernova from engulfing the rest of the quadrant. Granted, the Romulan Senate did not want to go ask their long lost brethren for help, but nonetheless, I think the Federation had an obligation to help, and they sat on their hands.
So I've been perplexed with the sudden, willing alliance between D'Tan and the new Romulan Republic, and the Federation. Did the survivors forgive the Federation's betrayal, forget, or did they never know?
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It's also important to understand that D'Tan and his people were the outsiders within Romulan society. They were the group influenced by Spock's 19 years of reunification teaching, but they were not the majority of Romulans - nor in the majority opinion. Most Romulans just like things the way they were - with possibly a little less Tal Shiar/KGB fear.
I could see where D'Tans group might hold some anger toward Vulcan for not helping, but this is the reunificationist group. They're the ones who wanted to get back with the Vulcans so they might be overlooking the slight as trying to understand Vulcans' logic.
D'Tan is also just trying to survive in the wilderness against foes on every side. They're taking aid from anyone who will give it as they try to separate themselves from the Empire - which is why they have alliances with the Federation and the Klingon Empire. Right now they're in survival mode. Pointing fingers mode generally comes long after the danger has passed.
The Hobus ... Hocus pocus ... story never made any sense to me. The sooner they get past it to the new conflict the better. But you make a good point OP. The Romulans would never forgive the Feds or let themselves become servants of the Feds or Klinks. Now if they are just gathering their strength waiting for the right moment to strike back then that would be cool. D'tan needs to be assassinated by Tal'shiar ASAP!
- Judge Aaron Satie
Unless you run the mission in the Hobus system (with either a Federation or Romulan character) and find out why the Hobus star was unstable in the first place. Even if the Federation didn't help them, the blame lies a lot closer to home for the problems the Romulan's face.
The Vulcan part in it was processing the decalithium into red matter. The Jellyfish was actually given to Spock by the Daystrom Institute, and built by Geordi.
The Vulcans and the Feds did help. They just got there too late.
Played the FE and it is still not a good story. It makes no sense to have Romulans help the Iconians in creating a supernova that kills billions of their people and cripple their empire. That's not evil it is plain stupid.
Oh and btw the very idea of an explosion traveling faster than light and expanding infinitely in all direction while maintaining enough intensity to obliterate star systems is physically impossible and logically ludicrous.
Here is a better setup...
Iconians secretly destabilize the Romulans sun ... The Romulans see their dying sun and ask for help from Feds / Spock. This leads to warmer relations in the short term. Spock fails to pull off the fix and the Romulans become embittered after they evacuate, people scatter. Some of the Romulans are approached by the Ionians, offered assistance and the opportunity to get vengeance on those who failed to help them ... Held them back. Other Romulans are more peaceful and are caught in the middle of the conflict.
There you go Cryptic ... No need to thank me... The bill is in the mail.
- Judge Aaron Satie
system Lord Baal is dead
When plot fails rely on techno babble. <sad face>
- Judge Aaron Satie
I agree ... which is why I would leave JJ'S Abrams story in the pile of refuse where it belongs. ... I am sorry the story is all good because juvenile Kirk drives a 60s car off a canyon because he is mad at his stepfather ... or is it father.
It is all better now ... :rolleyes: ...
We lost Vulcan and Romulas so that hack could get his reboot. It is not a good trade off.
- Judge Aaron Satie
A fail story is a fail story ... No matter who created it. At least we didn't have other writers take a dump on 40 years of Star Trek to make an episode. It shows that JJ did not respect the material he was working with.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Seriously. People need to grow up.
if i was CBS i take every thing from JJ movie that is canon and get rid of it like 2 month old food
system Lord Baal is dead
Ok, I am done. I only bought it up in relation OP confusion. It is hard to fix the logical inconsistency because of the root problem. I have yet to read a satisfying resolution.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Yet even as the complaining rolls off your tongue, here you are, having played through the aftermath of that story.
Why are you here, if it is so unpalatable? Why do you consume more of something that you think is so bad?
If you were CBS, you'd take any residuals from Paramount, and nod your head and smile for any proposed sequel, because it pads your bank account.
Which is, shockingly, exactly what happened.
Despite a few issues I have with the game and the story I still love it. This is a false dichotomy you have created dear sir or madam.
- Judge Aaron Satie
only if i didn't care for trek but ty god i do
system Lord Baal is dead
While you're blaming JJ Abrams for faster than light issues, you're forgetting the missile that Soran launched from a planet towards its sun that Worf couldn't shoot down because of how fast it was travelling, meaning it had to be travelling faster than light.
You just described all of Star Trek.
As far as my character's reaction to it, he has a lot of contempt for the Vulcan High Council, but knows all about evil governments - he would hate to be judged for Sela's actions, natch. Really, I think it's _Martok's_ reactions after Nero's defeat that were contemptible.
Truer words were not spoken...err written. But what is an epohh?
As for the whole hobus plot, I hated it. As a whole I kinda liked JJ's Star Trek, I didn't think it was an amazingly well done movie, but I preferred it over Nemesis and the movie before it with that planet of everlasting life.
But the hobus supernova was silly. You don't just wipe out one of the big 3 Star Trek species for your single movie.:rolleyes:
Aid in leading the Romulan Star Empire back to its former greatness.
Join the Romulan Praetorian Guard and teach those epohh loving hippies what it means to be a true Romulan!
Those ten or so seconds of Romulus blowing up aren't all that's standing between us and a proper insiduous RSE. The RSE has been floating around in STO for some time already, it's just that Cryptic has decided to put them down so they could create a faction of peaceful humans in their place (so as not to offen the sensibilities of people who just like the ships/want to play a drizzt clone)
Cryptic's excuse would be even more flimsy for pulling this if JJ's Trek hadn't happened though, at least.
It was something of a copout to make by blowing up Romulus/Kelvin/Federation Fleet/Vulcan etc. The movie was one long string of cheap shocks thrown in to create drama. The new one apparently has another giant black doomsday ship and (several?) attacks on earth, killing off the Federation command etc which leads me to believe they are tryign the same route on the sequel. I wonder if anything will be left of Trek by the third Movie
He's a director, not a writer. The excessive lenseflare is his fault, the story is not.
As for help, I was under the impression Spock had trouble from BOTH sides not wanting him to get involved. I believe the novelization of the movie has all that red matter being mined by Nero's group because Spock couldn't convince the Senate to have somone do it.
Step two rise in the service of new romulus
Step three obtain a time ship
Step four intercept the explosion with a "sub space tachyon inversion matrix " and " cross patch the temporal differential" thus sending the explosion into a pocket universe (ideally the Q's)
Step Five return to the EMPIRE and shoot the tal shair for treason
Step six marry your child hood sweetie and settle down to raise epoah