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BoP Pointless Now?

macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
edited April 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Ok so I am not on Tribble for various reason. But let me ask a basic question? Is there a point to having a BoP when nearly all Rom ships have bc. I mean we sacrifice a lot to get that bc including hull, shields, weapon slot, bridge officer.

Are BoP getting a buff or will all PvPers switch over to Roms?
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If you're a Klingon player you don't have access to a Rom ship, so yeah, there's a purpose for it. :)

    Only power-gamers follow the ships. The players who want to be Klingon will still be Klingon - just as they have been for the last 3 years when they had nothing to do.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    A lot of KDF players don't use BoP's anyway.

    Unless you count my minions. Then I use them all the time.
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    Ok so I am not on Tribble for various reason. But let me ask a basic question? Is there a point to having a BoP when nearly all Rom ships have bc. I mean we sacrifice a lot to get that bc including hull, shields, weapon slot, bridge officer.

    Are BoP getting a buff or will all PvPers switch over to Roms?

    I dunno, Fleet B'Rel, Advanced Battle Cloak
    Fleet Ning'Tao, Three Lieutenant Commander Abilities
    Fleet Hoh'Sus.... ummmm... maybe someone else can help me out and come up with some reason to fly that thing.
  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I don't play klink that much but is that the one that can fire while cloacked? well hell there a reason right there
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  • bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited April 2013
    Just off what I saw on tribble all the Romulan ships seemed to have battle cloaks AND stats comparable to an equivalent escort on the Fed side (so higher hull and shield than a BoP) along with that singularity core space wizardry. I know the ships aren't finalized but they certainly hold an advantage over the KDF ships stat wise as they currently are, albeit at the expense of lacking the universal stations from the BoPs.

    Only time will tell but from the looks of it at the moment there are some clearly OP ship designs and some that look very weak.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    Ok so I am not on Tribble for various reason. But let me ask a basic question? Is there a point to having a BoP when nearly all Rom ships have bc. I mean we sacrifice a lot to get that bc including hull, shields, weapon slot, bridge officer.

    Are BoP getting a buff or will all PvPers switch over to Roms?

    OP, others have mentioned but again - B'rel = Enhanced Battle Cloak, she can fire torpedoes, lay mines and use sci. abilities while cloaked. Pretty unique.
    I'm not on Tribble as well, but from what I've heard the Romulans wont have all universal Boff seating. There's one more KDF BoP advanatge. Also BoPs have hands down best turn rate in the game. They remain far from useless, I'd say.

    And also this:
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    If you're a Klingon player you don't have access to a Rom ship, so yeah, there's a purpose for it. :)

    Only power-gamers follow the ships. The players who want to be Klingon will still be Klingon - just as they have been for the last 3 years when they had nothing to do.
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  • jrq2jrq2 Member Posts: 263 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    wildweasal wrote: »
    I don't play klink that much but is that the one that can fire while cloacked? well hell there a reason right there

    The Romulans have the T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit

    It comes with Enhanced Battle Cloak :D
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    jrq2 wrote: »
    The Romulans have the T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit

    It comes with Enhanced Battle Cloak :D

    I'm sure the T'Varo Retrofit will end up being very comparable to the B'Rel in most ways.

    People are mostly concerned about how something like the Heghta will stack up against the Valdor Retrofit.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The players who want to be Klingon will still be Klingon - just as they have been for the last 3 years when they had nothing to do.

    That's about 12% of the people playing. ;)
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    Ok so I am not on Tribble for various reason. But let me ask a basic question? Is there a point to having a BoP when nearly all Rom ships have bc. I mean we sacrifice a lot to get that bc including hull, shields, weapon slot, bridge officer.

    Are BoP getting a buff or will all PvPers switch over to Roms?

    Yup, ship is pointless, and by association I bet the KDF is now pointless for you as well. it's time to embrace the green, and level up a Reman so you can use your Legacy Pack Retrofits to PWN everyone else!
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Only power-gamers follow the ships. The players who want to be Klingon will still be Klingon - just as they have been for the last 3 years when they had nothing to do.
    The devs dont treat it like a RPG, kind of absurd to expect players to restrain themselves on the principle of it. Read your signature.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    The devs dont treat it like a RPG, kind of absurd to expect players to restrain themselves on the principle of it. Read your signature.
    I don't expect players to do anything, but I have been here over 3 years now and have seen players do things.

    The power-gamers are going to power-game no matter what. The fans of KDF are going to play KDF no matter what. The fans of the Feds are going to play the Feds no matter what, etc.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I don't expect players to do anything, but I have been here over 3 years now and have seen players do things.

    The power-gamers are going to power-game no matter what. The fans of KDF are going to play KDF no matter what. The fans of the Feds are going to play the Feds no matter what, etc.
    And then there's everybody else who doesnt like being laughed at by the game. Hell I tried to play a cruiser with phasers and photons for about a month, and when I was on the bottom of the pile all the time I started looking at other ships and weapons that had ever been shown mounted to a cruiser in any episode. Then said to hell with it and mounted disruptors and plasma on an escort.

    So its not "only the powergamers that follow ships" its everybody that wants to enjoy the game as its designed to be played, the people who dont are the exception rather than the norm. That's the game.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    And then there's everybody else who doesnt like being laughed at by the game. Hell I tried to play a cruiser with phasers and photons for about a month, and when I was on the bottom of the pile all the time I started looking at other ships and weapons that had ever been shown mounted to a cruiser in any episode. Then said to hell with it and mounted disruptors and plasma on an escort.

    So its not "only the powergamers that follow ships" its everybody that wants to enjoy the game as its designed to be played, the people who dont are the exception rather than the norm. That's the game.
    If you PvE you can do it in any ship with any weapons. I took an NX all the way to VA. Someone else on the forum took a Peregrine Fighter all the way to VA. The game didn't laugh at us. I've seen people do STFS without BOFFs because that's how simple the game really is: click on auto-fire, fly in a circle, occasionally adjust your shields. That's about all there is to PvE.

    Ship power only really matters in PvP and end-game grinding - and I can do an Elite STF in my free Patrol Escort just as fast as I can in my Fleet Defiant. Likewise using my Cruiser doesn't slow me down all that much.

    So yeah, if the PvPers want to jump Faction just to gain a 0.05% advantage, good for them. Most people won't because they won't need to. The game's just not that difficult.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Universal slots and BoPs turn on a dime. I don't think it's an issue.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited April 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Yup, ship is pointless, and by association I bet the KDF is now pointless for you as well. it's time to embrace the green, and level up a Reman so you can use your Legacy Pack Retrofits to PWN everyone else!

    I don't fly lock box p2w ships or purchase super consoles. I earned my gear by grinding and with a few dilithium purchases. I spent money on convenience unlocks and few starter ships like tos constitution and Nx enterprise. i guess those of us who spent around 20 bucks a month are not cryptics target. They would rather have the few who spent hundreds.

    Btw, BoP are the favorite target of Feds but they are incredible weak and difficult to use. The one thing going for them is the ability to use the battle cloak. I guess that's gone too.

    I was planning to make a Romulans toon anyways. I am just distressed that instead of making pvp more balanced the devis are going further down the path of p2w.
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  • melisande77melisande77 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Also bear in mind that currently Romulans only have 40 base power in a subsystem, which leads to 100/40/20/15 If I remember off the top of my head for their bases in Attack profile. That's fairly significant, at least for their Aux. Granted we haven't seen what exactly the max level Singularity powers do, so they may make up for that, but a baseline BoP will be more powerful than a T'varo.
  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    Ok so I am not on Tribble for various reason. But let me ask a basic question? Is there a point to having a BoP when nearly all Rom ships have bc. I mean we sacrifice a lot to get that bc including hull, shields, weapon slot, bridge officer.

    Are BoP getting a buff or will all PvPers switch over to Roms?

    I have yet to see a Romulan Ship with a BoP's maneuverability, even that ROM TOS Bird of Prey/*Warbird* turns/moves pretty Slow, more like the Tier 1 Fed Cruisers really.

    Which makes perfect sense, the only Rom Ship that seemed fast was the Valdore/Mogai in Nemesis.


    I don't think KDF BoPs are in any danger of loosing their role.

    I'd be more concerned about the competitiveness of the Galaxy-X and Defiant Classes ( as in why is a console slot needed to have a basic cloak?)
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    zerobang wrote: »
    I'd be more concerned about the competitiveness of the Galaxy-X and Defiant Classes ( as in why is a console slot needed to have a basic cloak?)

    The cloak is a console because some people didn't like sacrificing a console slot for a cloaking ability they never used.
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I would say. . .the Romulans will be competition for the BoPs in terms of the role the BoPs play. Romulan ships having battlecloaks is certainly a concern, but you need more than just a battlecloak to make BoP tactics work. You also need to be able to turn tail and haul your tin behind out of the battlezone at a moment's notice (mobility). Bigger ships might have a little trouble with this.

    Also, I don't think any Romulan ships will be getting an all-universal BOFF layout, so that'll be another advantage the BoP will retain. Sure, it's not as big of an advantage as it used to be, in the face of Tier 5 ships that have 1-2 universal boffstations. . .but it's something, and it makes for a very flexible canvass to work with.

    One thing's for certain, though, the Romulan players will dominate the first-strike scene, with that nasty Subterfuge boost they're gonna get. That's gonna out-do what the BoPs do, and I can't wait to hear Feddies howling about it. In fact, I might even level a Romulan character so I can use a KDF-allied Romulan as my hit-and-run character, assuming any Romulan ships are up to the task. . .and re-spec my Klingon main as a more standard Raptor/Destroyer pilot.

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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited April 2013
    travelingmaster wrote: »
    I would say. . .the Romulans will be competition for the BoPs in terms of the role the BoPs play. Romulan ships having battlecloaks is certainly a concern, but you need more than just a battlecloak to make BoP tactics work. You also need to be able to turn tail and haul your tin behind out of the battlezone at a moment's notice (mobility). Bigger ships might have a little trouble with this.

    Also, I don't think any Romulan ships will be getting an all-universal BOFF layout, so that'll be another advantage the BoP will retain. Sure, it's not as big of an advantage as it used to be, in the fact of Tier 5 ships that have 1-2 universal boffstations. . .but it's something, and it makes for a very flexible canvass to work with.

    One thing's for certain, though, the Romulan players will dominate the first-strike scene, with that nasty Subterfuge boost they're gonna get. That's gonna out-do what the BoPs do, and I can't wait to hear Feddies howling about it. In fact, I might even level a Romulan character so I can use a KDF-allied Romulan as my hit-and-run character, assuming any Romulan ships are up to the task. . .and re-spec my Klingon main as a more standard Raptor/Destroyer pilot.

    100% agree with this. It will be fun popping Feds and listening to their endless crying in ker'rat.
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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The wings go up and down. :P


    It's about time the Klingons had their "uniquenes" challenged and pretty much ALL Rom ships have BC now so you can BC your Cruiser.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    100% agree with this. It will be fun popping Feds and listening to their endless crying in ker'rat.

    do keep in mind I will be a fed romulan and so will many other this could be the thing that turns the table :)
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited April 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    do keep in mind I will be a fed romulan and so will many other this could be the thing that turns the table :)

    All well and good ... you have to de-cloak eventually and then you will be mine. Muahahahaha ;)
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    All well and good ... you have to de-cloak eventually and then you will be mine. Muahahahaha ;)

    I can cloak too you pointy-eared hobgoblin.
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thlaylierah wrote: »
    The wings go up and down. :P


    It's about time the Klingons had their "uniquenes" challenged and pretty much ALL Rom ships have BC now so you can BC your Cruiser.

    We've been having our uniqueness challenged. The fact that you don't think so is a sign of Federation player greed for anything they don't already have.

    You got Carriers. You have KDF boffs. You have access to 1-2 KDF consoles (and vice versa). Most of the new content the KDF gets is just a Federation copy-paste with a thin 'Klingon' wrapper.

    I think most KDF players are fine with ROMULANS having battlecloaks/cloaks built in, because they're Romulans. It's when Federation players stamp their feet and demand it for their ships that it gets annoying. The same goes for cruisers that carry cannons and are nimble, something Federation cruisers have never had.
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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Klingon ships are so uber OP it's not even funny.

    I have a Klingon General and the only thing that even comes close to a BoP's maneuverability is the Kumari which lets Feds experience "The Electric Slide."

    ALL Klingon ships mount cannons and other than the Bortas can maneuver well enough to use them.

    Even the Romulan ships I have played in the Beta so far can't maneuver like a BoP. I'd expected the small Warbirds would, but they don't.

    I recommend that every Fed make a Klingon. I also recommend that every Klingon log into their Fed Alt and fly that for a week or so, it will keep them thankful for their Klingon ships.

    They had a good long run, but I'm seeing that the Klingons will be owned by the Romulans. Even the signature "uncloak on someones aft" will not help if even a D'deridex can BC. The Romulans can also sneak up on the Klingons spawn camp as they have better not as detectable cloaks.

    Nope, all that "honorable" behavior from the Klingons will be for not. Maybe the Romulans will be more honorable after they get their paybacks.
  • mattimeo97mattimeo97 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    thlaylierah wrote: »
    Even the signature "uncloak on someones aft" will not help if even a D'deridex can BC.

    Yeah, popping BC while someone unloads a decloak alpha on you is such a stupid idea it's not even funny.
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Romulan ships aren't nearly as nimble as raiders/birds of prey and their singularity cores reduce their overall power(including weapon's power).

    Romulans have deadly alpha strike potential with their innate bonuses while coming out of cloak, but they kind of flounder about once those 5 seconds are up and/or if their prey gets out of their forward weapon arcs(all Warbirds are forward weapon centric from what I've seen).
  • xlocutusofborgxxlocutusofborgx Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    old philosophy.. Adapt and ovecome. BOP will be fine. Dont get all worried
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