fFast and easy new ships for the kdf at LoR launch

dontdrunkimshoot

the kdf is about to feel middle child syndrom hard, but here's something that could be done to ease that pain. fleet versions of all the rest of thier ships! i even have the stats all figured out, im good at that, these fill niches that federation ships already fill. the model is already built, they just need fleet ship stats hooked up.

the feds have great escorts with all sorts of station setups, the 2 big ones the feds have and the kdf don't are the MVAM setup and the armatige setup. the kdf also dont have any escorts with 5 tac consoles, wile the feds have 3.

well, its a good thing the tier 3 and tier 4 rapter models remain unused for anything at end game, might as well make fleet ships out of them to fill in the escort gaps

fleet Qorgh retrofit

ship yard tier 4

34,650 hull
.92 shield mod
16 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
2 eng
3 sci
5 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC sci
LT tac
LT eng
ENS tac

fed counterpart= fleet MVAM. no mvam, but it would cloak

fleet Pach retrofit

ship yard tier 5

36,300 hull
.92 shield mod
15 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
3 eng
2 sci
5 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC eng
LT tac
LT sci
ENS tac

fed counterpart= armatige, no hanger but again, it can cloak

thers some very nice c store costume for each these ships too, make a fleet version and people would actually have a reason to buy it. for both these ships, and the low tier versions, i think a 1 turn rate buff, like the advanced and patrol got, and later the saber got as well, all the way to 17, would be appropriate. with the somraw and Qorgh having 17 turn, and the Pach having 16.


theres also that andorian ship with its 5 forward weapons, something i somehow doubt the kdf will ever see a big c store 3 pack escort release featuring such a ship armed like that. BUT, there is the VERY underwhelming fleet qin that could be modified into something useful. i can guaranty not a single owner of the current fleet qin would object to this, make that ship's weapon loadout 5/2, with no other changes. all the kdf escorts would be great then


theres also the tier 4 bird of prey, and the tier 5 bird of prey that they could make a fleet ship out of.

Fleet Ki'tang Bird-of-Prey Retrofit

ship yard tier 3

26,450 hull
.92 shield mod
21 turn rate
4/2 weapon
consoles:
3 eng
4 sci
3 tac
stations:
COM uni
LTC uni
LT uni
LT uni

a fleet bop with a 4th sci console is a niche not filled yet, the Hoh'SuS has the 4th tac console and the brel has a 4th eng console already. just a sci console might not be much of a draw, so it has a higher shield mod, like that of a kdf escort. theres also a costume for this ship that people would be inclined to get if they could use it at end game.


Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey

ship yard tier 4

26,400 hull
.88 shield mod
21 turn rate
4/3 weapons
consoles:
3 eng
3 sci
3 tac
stations:
COM uni
LTC uni
LT uni
LT uni
ENS uni

the fleet version of the tier 5 bop's special feature is that it has that missing ens station all other ships have, universal of course.thats hardly better then 2 LTC stations, so this also has the missing 3rd aft weapon an escort would have.


it sounds like there is a c store negvar on the horizon, with the regent's station setup. excited to hear about that! how about a little speculation

chancellor gowron's negvar

42,900 hull
1.1 shield mod
9 turn rate
5/3 weapons
consoles:
4 eng
2 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM eng
LTC tac
LT eng
LT uni
ENS tac

special: a disruptor clone of the andorian wing guns. these would fire from the under slung guns the negvar had in DS9. the negvar we have in game now is basicly the one we say in AGT, not DS9. the wing guns are the perfect tech to apply to a ship like the DS9 neg, and ther perfect ship to give a 5th forward weapon too. it might not be an escort, but its a big powerful cruiser, it will be awesome

1 more kdf cruiser to go, the tier 2 K'Tanco. 1 cruiser setup the kdf does not have yet is a clone of the excelsior station setup. that would be awesome on a KDF cruiser

Fleet K'Tanco Retrofit

ship yard tier 4

34,450 hull
1.1 shield mod
13 turn rate
4/4 weapons
consoles:
4 eng
2 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM eng
LTC tac
LT eng
LT sci
ENS eng

fed counterpart= fleet excelsior

this one, maybe they should nerf its turn down to 12, lest it be too good. or not, ether way, would be an awesome ship

oh and last but not least, the fleet Guramba

fleet Guramba

ship yard tier 5

34,650 hull
.99 shield mod
15 turn
4/3 weapons
3 eng
3 sci
4 tac
stations:
COM tac
LTC tac
LT sci
LT eng
ENS tac
Abilities:
Siege Mode
Javelin

tpalelena

Fleet Guramba sounds nice.

Though I'm not sure that this is tribble feedback stuff. Maybe KDF sub forum stuff.

dontdrunkimshoot

Dstah was on TSS last night, i mentioned they should make some fleet ships for the kdf so they dont feel left out, and he said good idea, post it in the tribble feedback. this is mostly a copy paste thread from one i posted in the kdf ship yard already.

stirling191

That K'Tanco...

Yeah I'd buy that just about instantly.

tpalelena

Okey. More fleet ships for KDF sound like a good idea.

marc8219

I think this goes in Klingon Shipyards, but I agree, been waiting a long time for more KDF Fleet ships.

I guess the escorts would have to have the 3rd tac ensigns to maintain balance with Fed 5 Tac console escorts, and its not so bad now with Romulan boffs, so those look good.

The Z-store Neghvar better not have a 3rd ensign engineer though or there is no chance I would get it. I like the Regent layout, they could give the Neghvar that and either make the enisgn tac, sci or universal. No more 3 ensign eng ships!

We also need Fleet Marauder and Fleet Karfi. Its ridiculous that KDF is lacking so many ships that give Fleet versions for only 1 module.

tpalelena

marc8219 wrote: »

I think this goes in Klingon Shipyards, but I agree, been waiting a long time for more KDF Fleet ships.

I guess the escorts would have to have the 3rd tac ensigns to maintain balance with Fed 5 Tac console escorts, and its not so bad now with Romulan boffs, so those look good.

The Z-store Neghvar better not have a 3rd ensign engineer though or there is no chance I would get it. I like the Regent layout, they could give the Neghvar that and either make the enisgn tac, sci or universal. No more 3 ensign eng ships!

We also need Fleet Marauder and Fleet Karfi. Its ridiculous that KDF is lacking so many ships that give Fleet versions for only 1 module.

The negh'var could get an ensign universal.

Edit: Does already. Derp, my mistake.

dontdrunkimshoot

marc8219 wrote: »

I think this goes in Klingon Shipyards, but I agree, been waiting a long time for more KDF Fleet ships.

I guess the escorts would have to have the 3rd tac ensigns to maintain balance with Fed 5 Tac console escorts, and its not so bad now with Romulan boffs, so those look good.

The Z-store Neghvar better not have a 3rd ensign engineer though or there is no chance I would get it. I like the Regent layout, they could give the Neghvar that and either make the enisgn tac, sci or universal. No more 3 ensign eng ships!

We also need Fleet Marauder and Fleet Karfi. Its ridiculous that KDF is lacking so many ships that give Fleet versions for only 1 module.

oh, ya i should add those 2 to the op. hmm, fleet corsair covers most of what you could do for the marauder though. the fleet negvar actually has a universal ENS btw

marc8219

dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »

oh, ya i should add those 2 to the op. hmm, fleet corsair covers most of what you could do for the marauder though. the fleet negvar actually has a universal ENS btw

I was always ticked off that they made the Fleet Corsair instead of Fleet Marauder. It seems like it was intentionally shafting the KDF out of a 1 module ship. They can still make one and give it a slightly different boff layout though, and give people a reason to buy the Marauder since there is no reason to get it instead of a Fleet Corsair.

Fleet Neghvar has an ensign uni, and so should the z-store version unless they are giving it a different uni, or boff layout. In that case I'm happy as long as it isn't 3rd eng ensign even if it isn't universal. There is just nothing we can do with it on cruisers if this epts nerf happens.

dontdrunkimshoot

marc8219 wrote: »

I was always ticked off that they made the Fleet Corsair instead of Fleet Marauder. It seems like it was intentionally shafting the KDF out of a 1 module ship. They can still make one and give it a slightly different boff layout though, and give people a reason to buy the Marauder since there is no reason to get it instead of a Fleet Corsair.

Fleet Neghvar has an ensign uni, and so should the z-store version unless they are giving it a different uni, or boff layout. In that case I'm happy as long as it isn't 3rd eng ensign even if it isn't universal. There is just nothing we can do with it on cruisers if this epts nerf happens.

i expected the fleet gorn ship to be the tier 4 as well, but they went with the tier 5, i suspect to not gouge anyone that bought that one, like what ended up happening with the orian ship.

z store neg with the under slung guns, 5 forward weapons and all that i posted has the fleet regent station setup exactly. theres no need for universal ensigns in this case

marc8219

I'm sorry I must have misread your suggestion on the Z-store Neghvar. I am so outraged over the D'Deridex possibly getting one I am seeing 3rd ensign eng slots everywhere due to paranoia lol

dontdrunkimshoot

marc8219 wrote: »

I'm sorry I must have misread your suggestion on the Z-store Neghvar. I am so outraged over the D'Deridex possibly getting one I am seeing 3rd ensign eng slots everywhere due to paranoia lol

oh, understandable, im going through the stages of loss as well. im giving feedback as hard as i can though, so such a tragedy never makes it to holo

burstdragon323

I loved the K'Tanco from the old 1-50 days! But perhaps the ENS Station should be Universal, to add a little variety to the Retrofit.

dontdrunkimshoot

burstdragon323 wrote: »

I loved the K'Tanco from the old 1-50 days! But perhaps the ENS Station should be Universal, to add a little variety to the Retrofit.

ya, a fleet tkonco would basically be a destroyer, i would soooo buy that ship

stirling191

dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »

ya, a fleet tkonco would basically be a destroyer, i would soooo buy that ship

So would just about anyone who wanted a real Cruiser/Escort hybrid craft.

/grabbyhands