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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Overall I've found it refreshing not to read Romulans like they have a HUGE chip on their shoulder. Many of these people don't care about grandiose empires (Sela), they just care about putting food on the table, living free and equal, throwing off the old thropes of being all self-obsessed and untrustworthy and keeping those damn Khellids off the crops!

    Ex-citizenry who where clearly not high status enough to reside anywhere near the homeworld, militia types who've had to pick up arms to protect their own, traders and scavengers after being left behind when the empire fell AND after it was essentially refounded and old military types who abandoned their posts due to Sela's unethical use of the military to further her own ends.

    I expect these people to be smart, not logical ofc but to have higher acuity than most Humans in assessing situations. They should easily speak their mind, be prone to outbursts and regret them as well.

    You made a good point about that player dialogue "about service to the klingons". That MUST NOT be the tone of this alliance.

    I was actually thrown a lot more by the funny reference of Madran's goods turning out to be lemons by an alien TO a Romulan. Would such a human mannerism be so common in the beta quadrant?
  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Most CRINGEWORTHY text I have seen yet...

    In a conversation with Taris one option is " Yep, I'm Tal Shiar....."

    Yep???? Really most unRomulan. More 1950s street slang
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  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    nynik wrote: »
    , they just care about putting food on the table,

    We arent pioneers. We have replicators. Large advanced cities on many worlds. Advanced Star Bases.


    Thats like saying if Earth blew up suddenly everyone on Alpha Centauri or Rigel suddenly reverts to a pre industrial state.

    It was the Romulan Star EMPIRE. There wasnt just one planet and then a few hick outposts. We controlled a pretty large swath of the Beta quadrant.

    As a Romulan, I would see the power vacuum as an opportinity to rise in personal power.

    Thats really my issue with the laughable petting zoo of New Romulas. We would already have several established planets. There would be no need to start from scratch. To me it sounds like one of those Utopian communes from the 19th century that always failed.
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  • grnlbrtnfrntgrnlbrtnfrnt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    garakfan84 wrote: »
    something doesn't feel right.

    Yeah. I picked Fed to ally with so I could get decent consoles from lock boxes - ONLY REASON.

    I find that the longer I play the more it detracts from my player experience. Most of the missions, dialogue that are Fed related seems entirely UNROMULA.

    Like take Doffs. Klingon is Maruading. Fed is Diplomacy. The Romulan version should be Espionage.

    On live I will probably go Klingon because at least then I wont have to stomach being forced to go against most things that make us Romulan.
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  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    "First the Tal'shiar, now Nausicaans, whats next ICONIANS?!"

    *facepalm*-moment

    rly?
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  • dastahldastahl Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Please keep the feedback constructive and if you have suggestions for specific dialog - please post it.

    As I've stated previously, much of the text has not had a final pass by the editing team and so you're seeing placeholder text in many later missions.
  • rtk142rtk142 Member Posts: 613 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cheroj wrote: »
    I've noticed the same thing. They sound like human farmers with pointy ears, as if Dr. McCoy fathered an entire colony of Southern half-Romulans and then took off (Have fun with that image now).

    Ok, THAT would be all kinds of fun. Thank you for that. I agree with what a lot of people are saying, the text could definitely use a little polishing. It's just small things, like idioms and what not.
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  • superherofansuperherofan Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Personally, I like the dialogue. It feels very Romulan Republic, not Romulan Star Empire. I wasn't interested in being a fascist, torture loving, intergalactic b---hole that the Tal Shiar is, so the characterization was a nice surprise.
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I would have to agree with the polishing. The dialog isn't exactly the arrogant RSE speak we see in the TV series (though a little arrogance would be nice).

    On the other hand. it is definitely not a cut and paste from the Fed side. yes there is a more "kinder friendlier" feel to it. But it is clear me and my bridge officers are much more comfortable with killing anyone who crosses us then I ever felt on the fed side (even if it is a little "kill them all" heavy over there at times). Not even sure my Roms know where the stun setting is on their weapons.

    Or if they even have a stun setting. :eek:
  • goldenlion619goldenlion619 Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They already have a do gooders of the galaxy faction already in the game that most people play. If Cryptic wants the Republic to be the good fighting the evil in the Romulan civilization thats fine but thousands of years of culture shouldn't go away in twenty years. Romulans are prideful, arrogant and extremely emotional beings who are warlike by nature. Vulcans use logic to purge emotion other wise they would be just like the Romulans.

    So when I play the storyline I don't want it to sound like I am playing a federation everyone should love each other kind of character. Pride should be a big fault with the Romulans and it should be a very hard thing for them to accept help from others even though they really need it. I like the D'tan didn't seem to like having to ally with the Federation and Klingons but he doesn't have much choice about it. Romulans should put Romulans first and others second anyone who interferes with the survival of the Republic should be eliminated. Republic Democracy is fine but Federation values should stay in the Federation.

    More arrogance, more pride, more extreme states of emotion(happy, angry and such) in dialog has my vote, other then that the story is good so far.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I back stabbed a Remen, and later got mind controlled......sounds Romulan to me
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  • goldenlion619goldenlion619 Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    I back stabbed a Remen, and later got mind controlled......sounds Romulan to me

    Not talking about story and gameplay but how Romulans are talking in the the dialog. Feels a little too human too me. I like the story so far.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Romulans aren't really that different from humans.Sure I'd expect the imperial/tal'Shiar types to talk and act a certain way, but assorted commoners? not so much.
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  • garakfan84garakfan84 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They already have a do gooders of the galaxy faction already in the game that most people play. If Cryptic wants the Republic to be the good fighting the evil in the Romulan civilization thats fine but thousands of years of culture shouldn't go away in twenty years. Romulans are prideful, arrogant and extremely emotional beings who are warlike by nature. Vulcans use logic to purge emotion other wise they would be just like the Romulans.

    So when I play the storyline I don't want it to sound like I am playing a federation everyone should love each other kind of character. Pride should be a big fault with the Romulans and it should be a very hard thing for them to accept help from others even though they really need it. I like the D'tan didn't seem to like having to ally with the Federation and Klingons but he doesn't have much choice about it. Romulans should put Romulans first and others second anyone who interferes with the survival of the Republic should be eliminated. Republic Democracy is fine but Federation values should stay in the Federation.

    More arrogance, more pride, more extreme states of emotion(happy, angry and such) in dialog has my vote, other then that the story is good so far.

    My thoughts exactly.
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The problem is the sample size of the average Romulan is too small, Nero and his crew aren't fleshed out enough to tell us much useful, other than a miner is very formal when talking to Starfleet captains.

    Donatra on the other hand seemed more like the older, TOS style Romulan, seen in "Balance of Terror". Where honour was also an important part of them, judging by her line in Nemesis: "He's not planning to defeat Earth. He's planning its annihilation. And his sins will mark us and our children for generations."
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  • goldenlion619goldenlion619 Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Romulans aren't really that different from humans.Sure I'd expect the imperial/tal'Shiar types to talk and act a certain way, but assorted commoners? not so much.

    Romulans are emotional Vulcans and very different from humans. They feel emotions more powerfully and like the Klingons are very warlike. If it wasn't for a strong central government the Romulans would be divided factions fighting each other and thats what they are doing in STO since the government got blown up. Had Vulcan had nuclear weapons before the sundering, Vulcan would be a nuclear wasteland with little to none Vulcan survivors left on the planet. Romulans represent what Vulcans strive not to be like.

    The Romulans where base off the Roman Empire and citizens of Rome where just as prideful and arrogant as the government. Now that Romulus and Remus are gone you see the Romulans return to their tribal roots and became splintered independent factions that don't want to help each other for Romulans are selfish which is being shown in the games story. The Republic represents the new light of Romulan civilization not tainted by the evil of the Tal Sheir but will have a very hard time getting other Romulans to side with them.

    Romulans where brought up not to trust other races and its been that way for over two thousand years in their society. You can be a good hearted person but you can still have negative opinions about other people, nations because the nation you grew up in has those opinions. I don't see the Romulans of the Republic many who also ex-imperial millitary throwing away their mistrust or comtempt for other races so quickly. Romulans live much longer then humans do and they don't quickly forget things. There a lot of culture that can be added into the dialog to make Romulans different from humans and more like the alien race they are ment to be.
  • glassguitarglassguitar Member Posts: 427 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Not to be negative, but I also noticed this inconsistency in Romulan dialogue. One that really stood out to me was the use of the word "critters" which I cannot in a million years imagining any Romulan using. Maybe it's jsut in our own heads that all Romulans are stoic in speach, but it does seem they should be.
  • kwiat007kwiat007 Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I agree completely, currently Romulans don't have identity of their own at all. And I don't buy the argument that these Romulans sound different than those on TV couse they are not in the military. We also haven't seen many non-military, non-high ranking officials from races like the Vulcans, Andorins and Tellarites. Those are all "good" races, yet they all sound very distinctive and I would expect a Vulcan farmer to be logical, Andorian to be extremely passionate and Talarite to be stubborn and impatient. Romulans should also retain their cultural and social distinctiveness especially when they are dealing with other races (klingons/starfleet) and their enemies (tal'shiar).

    American slang and anything about serving to klingons is unacceptable.
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  • millybunmillybun Member Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    We arent pioneers. We have replicators. Large advanced cities on many worlds. Advanced Star Bases.


    Thats like saying if Earth blew up suddenly everyone on Alpha Centauri or Rigel suddenly reverts to a pre industrial state.

    It was the Romulan Star EMPIRE. There wasnt just one planet and then a few hick outposts. We controlled a pretty large swath of the Beta quadrant.

    As a Romulan, I would see the power vacuum as an opportinity to rise in personal power.

    Thats really my issue with the laughable petting zoo of New Romulas. We would already have several established planets. There would be no need to start from scratch. To me it sounds like one of those Utopian communes from the 19th century that always failed.


    Except in this case, the Romulans of many of these colonies *are* pioneers. If you read any of the background information from consoles and spoke with various NPC's especially relating to your character's own starting colony, it *used* to be a much more built-up place before the loss of the homeworld. All the refugees from that cataclysm and the following political and military in-fighting swarming through the colony worlds one after another, trying to find a safe place to start over, causing problems overpopulating here and there, food shortage...it was messy for quite a time.

    They still have the technology, yes, but there's no longer the stable central government keeping things flowing, no protection from pirates and marauders raiding and stealing what they have left, scaring traders off. And from what we know, the Tal Shiar too have been doing raiding and scaring colonies into isolation for their own purposes. What they're left with is all they're left with.

    This kind of thing happens in reality, it's a desperate time for them, and many of them have to give up their pride to dig in and start over, former military commanders, politicians, the rich and the comfortable.

    In this, I see nothing wrong with the colonies you come across early on, and the writing for them didn't bother me so much. Though I would still appreciate the devs going over them to clean them up.


    I'll also never forget Nero's introduction to the alternate-Pike "Hi, Christopher, I'm Nero." I'm ok with Romulans having some diversity beyond the sorts we've seen in the Tal Shiar and the military.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    kirksplat wrote: »
    This is bugging me, even though I am struggling with an acceptable alternative model. It just seems like when I'm talking to Romulans, they say thing that don't sound Romulan in my brain. Stuff like, "The bugs are going crazy!"

    It just seems very weird, as far as how some of the dialogue is written. I'm wondering if I'm alone in that reaction.

    For some reason, Romulans don't speak like Romulans.

    "Same Hat!" cultures are boring and show a lack of imagination.

    Bring on the Romulan slang, the Romulan idioms, the Romulan nerds, the Romulan cops, the Romulan unemployed! This is a game. Let me feel like I'm on a world instead of being stuck in someone's narrow fandom.
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  • revalahrevalah Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Who had ever seen Klingon farmers before that first KDF mission. They were ******** about how the sodding Targs had dug into their vegetables and were not exactly all that enthused about the warriors. Thats the one and only difference the Klingons have had in STO. And yet somehow you want Rommies to all talk like the military gits would talk at the Feds?

    The interesting thing about the Romulans is that even from the very start they were NOT 2 dimensional. The Captain in Balance of Terror was a thoughtful strategist who ultimately only wanted to go home, which lead to conflict with his crew. He was radically different from the Captain in "The Enterprise Incident." Whereas the only dimension the Klingons have is their foreheads.

    I think the tone of the Romulans is perfect. They are a bunch who are having to ask for help and deep down its tearing them apart to do it, but they are doing it. And being emotional they are all handling it in different ways. That's what makes them real. As mentioned above the Population on Romulus was shown as pretty much different to the Militaty guys sneering at the Feds, and that's good. If they were portraied as all the same they would not be so interesting to work through their story and play.
  • guriphuguriphu Member Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The former Ottoman states after WWI
    The Japanese after WWII
    The former Soviet republics after the Cold War

    What do all these vastly different cultural groups have in common?

    None of them spontaneously started acting, thinking, and talking like 20th century Americans after their long-standing central governments collapsed.

    From the Gasko Blues mission:
    "We've entered the Gasko system. According to our intelligence data, the Empire built this station in the late 23rd century, but abandoned it later when the region was no longer strategically important.

    Word is some refugees are living in the station now.

    You know the drill, right? Go to the station, preach the good news, get them on our side. Easy! "


    Okay, I get it. Tovan is a chill guy. He's good and loyal, maybe a little naive but not unintelligent, a little bit quirky. A regular Romulan country boy. That's fine. I'm cool with it. He doesn't have to act like the Space Gestapo to be a Romulan. But there are ways to show this without making him sound like the galaxy's first Romulan from Idaho. There is more to being Romulan than a set of pointy ears and a penchant for helmet cuts.

    What uniquely Romulan ethical priorities does he have that we might not categorize the same way? What makes him angry? Happy? Sad? Proud? Afraid?

    Potential alternate text:
    "We've entered the Gasko system. According to our intelligence data, the Empire built this station in the late 23rd century, but abandoned it later when the region was no longer strategically important. Now it is home to a group of refugees from... from Romulus.

    The people living there are a lot like us. They know what it's like to lose everything and be deserted by our leaders. And they know how far the Tal Shiar have gone. They're sure to see that joining D'Tan's fleet is the only option, right? It will be easy!"
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The only time we ever saw some Romulan civilians was in the TNG two part episode "Unification"; and they seemed to have a wide range of emotion and mundane concerns. I

    Honestly, what in the Romulan Colony NPC dialogue is so jarring to the point that "It doesn't sound 'Romulan'; as in 40 years of watching Star Trek - I don't think I've seen anything in Romulan speech paterns that's uniquely 'Romulan'.


    It's not "jarring"; it's just not Romulan. It's Federation.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I think they should sound just like vulcans... unless they have reason to be pis@ed off about something... in which case they should sound like really mad British people. lol
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  • theodrimtheodrim Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    millybun wrote: »
    I'll also never forget Nero's introduction to the alternate-Pike "Hi, Christopher, I'm Nero." I'm ok with Romulans having some diversity beyond the sorts we've seen in the Tal Shiar and the military.

    That line itself was very Romulan, coming from the standpoint of someone who loves the TRIBBLE out of the Romulan stuff from the series'. It wasn't the text of the line as it was Bana's delivery that made it -- the air of clear superiority, with definite undertones of sarcasm. Nero was talking down to Pike, and the familiar tone was the added sting.

    The "be of service to the Klingons" line -- without context or delivery -- doesn't sound terribly out of character, at least if you can imagine the line being delivered with the right tonality. Of course, tone doesn't translate to text alone and that's always a problem writing voiceless dialogue. The thing that stands out to me with the best Romulan dialogue throughout the series' is not the words being used, but its delivery.
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  • daroskadaroska Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Honestly, it reminds me of the British Empire's colonies turning into 'amurica.
    You go from the stern, regal, intelligent Romulan Star Empire conservationalists-
    To well: Romulan Republicans. It just doesn't have that same amount of finesse.

    I suppose the change should be expected, what with their new stance on things.
    But still, I don't have to like it. My preference was that older, darker, even charming side.
    It felt somewhat different to the personality of humans- more appropriate for aliens.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    twg042370 wrote: »
    "Same Hat!" cultures are boring and show a lack of imagination.

    Bring on the Romulan slang, the Romulan idioms, the Romulan nerds, the Romulan cops, the Romulan unemployed! This is a game. Let me feel like I'm on a world instead of being stuck in someone's narrow fandom.
    I agree. In the show we saw almost nothing beyond the military and the elites of society. It makes sense for the less priveledged parts of society to speak/act differently. Who remembers the Romulan civilians from Reunification? :D
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I agree. In the show we saw almost nothing beyond the military and the elites of society. It makes sense for the less priveledged parts of society to speak/act differently. Who remembers the Romulan civilians from Reunification? :D
    The civilians from Reunification were Reunificationists, and were much mroe interested in Vulcan culture than Romulan, I don't think they are a very good example of the mentality of the population at large.

    I agree with many others here: The Romulans don't really seem to act or talk like Romulans, they seem to have more Federation in them than Romulan. This hardly seems like the Romulan from the show that used slavery and killed children with birth defects.
  • dieutoutpuissantdieutoutpuissant Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You know what? I LOVED the dialogs. Bridge officer having a strong sense of humour, making jokes, characters having a personality and not just "go there and do that" NPCs... I hope they don't change this and keep all the flavour. I fear that all the characters and stories will feel flat and lifeless if they change something.

    I think they should sound just like vulcans... unless they have reason to be pis@ed off about something... in which case they should sound like really mad British people. lol

    Please, no. Vulcans are boring.
  • greathandlergreathandler Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Lets se, there were romulan civilians in the episode where Picard and Data were on Romulus disguised as romulans and there was a low ranking romulan officer trapped on a planet together with Geordi La Forge and the romulan officer that was responsible for the Cloaking device on the defiant when it was first installed, none of those talked like most of the other romulan officer that was on any of the Star Trek shows, or did they :)
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